Georgetown @ Providence 12/31/19 Discussion

[jwp91]

Th regular season starts! Every game will be an absolute battle. On paper, this should be the most winnable away conference game. KenPom even forecasts a one point win. We certainly need to convert with both @seton Hall and @ Villanova on the early season horizon.

From a quick scan of their message board, Providence is in the midst of a dysfunctional season in which the whole is less than the sum of their parts. The mood looks oddly familiar. Here is to hoping those days are over.

The fans are in open revolt against the staff and almost every player.

Hopefully Mac is good to go and available to torch Pipkens. Can’t wait.

[DanMcQ]

I will be there. That is all.

[hoyaboya]

Ewing should be able to outcoach Cooley.

[FrazierFanatic]

Limit turnovers. Defensive intensity for 40 minutes.

[blueandgray]

If Yurt can stay out of foul trouble ...that should help our chances significantly....with or without Mac.

[jwp91]

Dec 29, 2019 10:04:38 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

If Yurt can stay out of foul trouble ...that should help our chances significantly....with or without Mac.

I remember that their big, Nate Watson, gone some pre-season 1st team all conference chatter. He is averaging 10 & 4 vs. Yurt’s 18 & 10.

[HoyaSinceBirth]

Still a lot of doubters of the Hoyas. On the BE message boards the majority of posters are predicting 8th or 9th for the Hoyas. They think we're a two person team and that the lack of depth will be our down fall. Let's go out there and prove them wrong.

I think the early schedule works in our favor getting @seton Hall early with their injuries amd @ a young nova team before they have longer to jell.

Need to win this game as Providence will be a bad loss metric wise even if they're better than that.

[blueandgray]

Dec 29, 2019 10:11:57 GMT -5 jwp91 said:

Dec 29, 2019 10:04:38 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

If Yurt can stay out of foul trouble ...that should help our chances significantly....with or without Mac.

I remember that their big, Nate Watson, gone some pre-season 1st team all conference chatter. He is averaging 10 & 4 vs. Yurt’s 18 & 10.

Nate Watson gave Govan fits last year (especially in the game at Georgetown) as Watson was manhandling Govan in the lane and getting deep post position. Don’t see him being able to do that against Yurt but I do worry about foul trouble.

[SirSaxa]

Dec 29, 2019 14:45:47 GMT -5 blueandgray said:

Nate Watson gave Govan fits last year (especially in the game at Georgetown) as Watson was manhandling Govan in the lane and getting deep post position. Don’t see him being able to do that against Yurt but I do worry about foul trouble.

Govan's strengths did not include defense.
Behind him, Coach had only Mourning... not exactly a big interior banger.

This year, Coach can bring in Wahab and Igohefe to muscle Watson, and use up some fouls.  OK, they are only freshmen, but they will be more effective than Govan  or Mourning.  We will still need Yurt to stay out of foul trouble.

[FrazierFanatic]

And to get Watson in foul trouble.

[daveg023]

I’ve watched several PC games as my dad is an alum. Here’s my take on them from watching and/or what he has said:

- Outside shooting has been a major problem (as well as missing way too many layups for a team at this level)
- Bad free throw shooting plagues them (been a problem for a while with their team)
- Best way to win is playing games in the 60s; won’t be able to win any shootouts in conference
- Luwane Pipkins (UMass grad transfer) has affected the chemistry, and other than 2-3 games, he’s been a disappointment
- AJ Reeves has never recovered his form prior to the injury last December (remember he started his freshman season with multiple 20 pt games)
- Nate Watson missed time early this year and hasn’t hit his stride yet but has brief stretches where he can look dominant
- Fanbase still supports Cooley but are growing weary of his offensive philosophy which has them go through some rough scoring droughts
- Fans are hoping this team can be like Xavier last year where they overcome a tough OOC schedule and then be competitive in the BE

[ewingitrust]

Dec 29, 2019 13:49:57 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Still a lot of doubters of the Hoyas. On the BE message boards the majority of posters are predicting 8th or 9th for the Hoyas. They think we're a two person team and that the lack of depth will be our down fall. Let's go out there and prove them wrong.

I think the early schedule works in our favor getting @seton Hall early with their injuries amd @ a young nova team before they have longer to jell.

Need to win this game as Providence will be a bad loss metric wise even if they're better than that.

im with i think we can 2-0 on this BE road swing. Prov can't score....we can. One game at a game.

[calhoya]

Dec 29, 2019 13:49:57 GMT -5 HoyaSinceBirth said:

Still a lot of doubters of the Hoyas. On the BE message boards the majority of posters are predicting 8th or 9th for the Hoyas. They think we're a two person team and that the lack of depth will be our down fall. Let's go out there and prove them wrong.

I think the early schedule works in our favor getting @seton Hall early with their injuries amd @ a young nova team before they have longer to jell.

Need to win this game as Providence will be a bad loss metric wise even if they're better than that.

They may be right. Let’s see if McCLung can play and how much he is hampered by the eye before we consider this a likely win. No bench means no margin for error. Pickett and Yurtseven must stay in the game, someone besides McClung and Blair must present a perimeter threat and Wahab has to be productive when on the floor. Continued contributions from Ighoefe needed.

[mdtd]

Dec 29, 2019 17:55:23 GMT -5 daveg023 said:

I’ve watched several PC games as my dad is an alum. Here’s my take on them from watching and/or what he has said:

- Outside shooting has been a major problem (as well as missing way too many layups for a team at this level)
- Bad free throw shooting plagues them (been a problem for a while with their team)
- Best way to win is playing games in the 60s; won’t be able to win any shootouts in conference
- Luwane Pipkins (UMass grad transfer) has affected the chemistry, and other than 2-3 games, he’s been a disappointment
- AJ Reeves has never recovered his form prior to the injury last December (remember he started his freshman season with multiple 20 pt games)
- Nate Watson missed time early this year and hasn’t hit his stride yet but has brief stretches where he can look dominant
- Fanbase still supports Cooley but are growing weary of his offensive philosophy which has them go through some rough scoring droughts
- Fans are hoping this team can be like Xavier last year where they overcome a tough OOC schedule and then be competitive in the BE

Play at our pace and let Yurt work the post, seems to be the game plan. Play smart and play your game, Hoyas. 

I really only watched the Northwestern game and I have never seen more missed threes and missed wide open layups. It was incredibly embarrassing. I haven't seen a game of theirs since and I have held that their talent gives them enough strength to be able to make a run. Though despite saying that, I think Watson isn't an all BE player. I just don't think he does enough to get there. I didn't think so in the beginning of the season and I don't now. No free wins. Come in and don't give them hope. 

[HoyaFanNY]

defend the 3 and rebound. let them shoot themselves out of the game early.

[HoyasAreHungry]

Dec 29, 2019 17:55:23 GMT -5 daveg023 said:

I’ve watched several PC games as my dad is an alum. Here’s my take on them from watching and/or what he has said:

- Outside shooting has been a major problem (as well as missing way too many layups for a team at this level)
- Bad free throw shooting plagues them (been a problem for a while with their team)
- Best way to win is playing games in the 60s; won’t be able to win any shootouts in conference
- Luwane Pipkins (UMass grad transfer) has affected the chemistry, and other than 2-3 games, he’s been a disappointment
- AJ Reeves has never recovered his form prior to the injury last December (remember he started his freshman season with multiple 20 pt games)
- Nate Watson missed time early this year and hasn’t hit his stride yet but has brief stretches where he can look dominant
- Fanbase still supports Cooley but are growing weary of his offensive philosophy which has them go through some rough scoring droughts
- Fans are hoping this team can be like Xavier last year where they overcome a tough OOC schedule and then be competitive in the BE

Have to disagree with keeping the game in the 60's. (unless you mean keeping them in the 60's-which I think everyone would agree with being a good thing). Ewing's teams need to be scoring in the high 70's/80's. We're not the rock fight grind it out UVA style team. If it's a game in the 60's, it means they've imposed their will on the game and likely means we've struggled big time offensively. Really hoping Mac is back for this one, but regardless, need to get Yurt going/stay out of foul trouble, and our cast of guards knocking down their outside shots. Dare I ask for a dominant Pickett game too??

[drquigley]

Going into the BE season I think we need to accept the fact that our success or failure will depend on three players: Mosley, Pickett and Blair. Our core: Yurt, Mac, and Allen have been consistent during this 6 game run and can be expected to perform at or near this level the rest of the way. But we absolutely need more consistency from Pickett and Blair and more leadership from Mosley. Due to the exodus of our best bench players we have a very slim margin of error. I really fear that if Blair and Pickett play against our BE opponents like they did against AU then we may find ourselves with a losing BE record and no NCAA bid. They don't have to be great just not bad.

[FrazierFanatic]

Dec 30, 2019 8:39:12 GMT -5 HoyasAreHungry said:

Dec 29, 2019 17:55:23 GMT -5 daveg023 said:

I’ve watched several PC games as my dad is an alum. Here’s my take on them from watching and/or what he has said:

- Outside shooting has been a major problem (as well as missing way too many layups for a team at this level)
- Bad free throw shooting plagues them (been a problem for a while with their team)
- Best way to win is playing games in the 60s; won’t be able to win any shootouts in conference
- Luwane Pipkins (UMass grad transfer) has affected the chemistry, and other than 2-3 games, he’s been a disappointment
- AJ Reeves has never recovered his form prior to the injury last December (remember he started his freshman season with multiple 20 pt games)
- Nate Watson missed time early this year and hasn’t hit his stride yet but has brief stretches where he can look dominant
- Fanbase still supports Cooley but are growing weary of his offensive philosophy which has them go through some rough scoring droughts
- Fans are hoping this team can be like Xavier last year where they overcome a tough OOC schedule and then be competitive in the BE

Have to disagree with keeping the game in the 60's. (unless you mean keeping them in the 60's-which I think everyone would agree with being a good thing). Ewing's teams need to be scoring in the high 70's/80's. We're not the rock fight grind it out UVA style team. If it's a game in the 60's, it means they've imposed their will on the game and likely means we've struggled big time offensively. Really hoping Mac is back for this one, but regardless, need to get Yurt going/stay out of foul trouble, and our cast of guards knocking down their outside shots. Dare I ask for a dominant Pickett game too??

I don't think he was saying we should try to keep the game in the 60's; I think he meant that from Providence's perspective, their best chance to win is to make it a low scoring slog of a game.

[HoyasAreHungry]

Dec 30, 2019 11:01:05 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

Dec 30, 2019 8:39:12 GMT -5 HoyasAreHungry said:

Have to disagree with keeping the game in the 60's. (unless you mean keeping them in the 60's-which I think everyone would agree with being a good thing). Ewing's teams need to be scoring in the high 70's/80's. We're not the rock fight grind it out UVA style team. If it's a game in the 60's, it means they've imposed their will on the game and likely means we've struggled big time offensively. Really hoping Mac is back for this one, but regardless, need to get Yurt going/stay out of foul trouble, and our cast of guards knocking down their outside shots. Dare I ask for a dominant Pickett game too??

I don't think he was saying we should try to keep the game in the 60's; I think he meant that from Providence's perspective, their best chance to win is to make it a low scoring slog of a game.

You're right, I read that differently the first time. Agreed that's the best way for THEM to win haha

[FrazierFanatic]

Gonna be hard to keep us in the 60's if we shoot decently! (Presuming Mac can play)