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Post by Cambridge on Dec 6, 2019 16:21:13 GMT -5
I really don't think police enforcement is spending 3+ months investigation misdemeanors on a college campus. Based on the lack of severity of the accusations, I cannot image a world where anything new comes out of it. Maybe they get back involved because of the new press but, I'm not sure what you people are expecting. The only thing I was expecting - and it's clearly too much to ask from the Georgetown basketball program - was a coherent statement about the transfers. A competently written original announcement of the Leblanc and Akinjo transfers likely would have spared the program this ongoing public embarrassment. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this thread, but it seems like your point is that if there were a better worded statement...the press/public would not have been inclined to investigate and uncover the underlying details of the legal matter. I'm doubtful that any statement - no matter how artfully it's crafted - would have prevented the press and public from digging in and looking for a root cause of the transfers. But, even if I'm wrong and there is the possibility of such a statement, that still doesn't address the question of how Georgetown addresses or responds to the underlying legal matter in the first place. That seems like the issue really at the center of debate here.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 6, 2019 16:36:06 GMT -5
Prayers will do nothing. Having competent communication professionals in the AD will help a lot. Hoya97, we get it. You hate any reference to God, prayer, etc. in connection with Georgetown. It was nothing to your experience as we've heard many times over. Would you please stop reflexively negatively commenting on any poster who does post something with religious overtones, especially one like Lic who offered "prayers" for a good resolution for all parties in this mess? God, Catholicism, prayer were and are a part of the Georgetown experience for many of us. We are different there. Let's focus on the things that (usually) bind us -- like Georgetown hoops. Hoya Saxa! Nope won’t stop. Let's respect each other, and our beliefs. If you don't choose to do so, you can choose another venue to post. --Admin
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 6, 2019 17:53:05 GMT -5
Georgetown was put into a lose-lose situation. Very difficult to finesse the situation. I’m assuming counsel has been advising every step of the way.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 6, 2019 18:01:34 GMT -5
Athletes aren't employees of the university. If anything, they are already being taken advantage of the university. There school is there to help and protect them, they aren't there to serve the school. A School to student relationship should not be at all the same as a employee to employer relationship. I know we disagree in principal in the "pay the players" thread, but the idea that they are already being taken advantage of is ridiculous. Akinjo is free to go and pursue his basketball dreams elsewhere (as is LeBlanc), and instead, Georgetown is left holding the ball without 2 of its starters, and all the other impacts on other recruits, etc. I think there are ways to argue the point that players' are getting taken advantage of, but this situation is not it.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 6, 2019 18:06:44 GMT -5
Georgetown was put into a lose-lose situation. Very difficult to finesse the situation. I’m assuming counsel has been advising every step of the way. They put themselves in a lose-lose situation by issuing a terribly misleading statement on why LeBlanc & Akinjo weren't going to play anymore this season... Had they done it the right way, they could have easily cited the FERPA policy and moved on but instead, folks now think they were trying to hide information...
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 6, 2019 18:08:54 GMT -5
Does anyone have any insight on how this issue is playing with students on campus?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 6, 2019 18:19:09 GMT -5
To contrast our announcement with some other familiar names who transferred midseason:
Akoy Agau:
Josh Smith:
Isaac Copeland:
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Post by RusskyHoya on Dec 6, 2019 21:33:18 GMT -5
For whatever it's worth... I told Svrluga on Twitter that there was a mistake in the column. The original wording when published was: "Not that this would have been morally admirable, but had Ewing, Reed, et al said simply that LeBlanc and Akinjo wanted to transfer, there's a decent chance the criminal complaints would have remained under the rug, where the Hoyas wanted them." Not that it makes a difference from an ethical/moral culpability perspective, but the complaints have "CIVIL DIVISION" printed across the top, so they are by definition not "criminal" complaints. He acknowledged the error this morning and said they would correct it, which they have (they just took out "criminal"). Naturally, they did not issue a correction at the bottom - guess it's too small of a mistake for them to own up to. Anyway, I do take this evidence that the author was writing a polemic and looking to ratchet up the severity. Which I have no problem with in principle - there's a time and place for polemics and righteous anger. But it makes being 100% factual extremely important. Ok, they've added a correction at the top of the article. Better late than never.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 7, 2019 0:17:28 GMT -5
Athletes aren't employees of the university. If anything, they are already being taken advantage of the university. There school is there to help and protect them, they aren't there to serve the school. A School to student relationship should not be at all the same as a employee to employer relationship. I know we disagree in principal in the "pay the players" thread, but the idea that they are already being taken advantage of is ridiculous. Akinjo is free to go and pursue his basketball dreams elsewhere (as is LeBlanc), and instead, Georgetown is left holding the ball without 2 of its starters, and all the other impacts on other recruits, etc. I think there are ways to argue the point that players' are getting taken advantage of, but this situation is not it. I’m talking about college athletes as a whole. You don’t get to pick and choose which are and aren’t being taken advantage of based on the circumstance. Colleges have a duty to protect their students both the accused and the accusers. That is all I’m saying and all Georgetown seems like they are trying to do. There were allegations filed but no arrests, no announced ongoing criminal investigation. I’m literally flummoxed on what this board want anyone to do? Sit players indefinitely for something that took place 4 months ago?
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Post by sleepy on Dec 7, 2019 0:24:57 GMT -5
To contrast our announcement with some other familiar names who transferred midseason: Akoy Agau: Josh Smith: Isaac Copeland: Those were all amicable departures. These two, obviously were not and clearly decisions were made in the heat of the moment. We are just assuming Leblanc and Akinjo made the decisions independently and weren’t suspended or punished for basketball related reasons and as a result decided to transfer immediately. What went down from a basketball perspective still isn’t clear but I do think it’s clear it was as simple as a normal transfer situation which could account for the weird wording. I personally think the way they handled it turned out better in our favor than straightforward approach anyways so I’m unbothered. Don’t think they intended it to go the way that it did but I’m happy with the PR outcome considering the circumstances.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 7, 2019 0:33:31 GMT -5
To contrast our announcement with some other familiar names who transferred midseason: Akoy Agau: Josh Smith: Isaac Copeland: If we are playing that game, News came out today that Blake Harris will transfer to NC A&T. This is from October 23: In a terse statement that was less than 20 words, the school's statement said, "Junior guard Blake Harris is no longer with the NC State men’s basketball program for personal reasons."
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Post by TC on Dec 7, 2019 11:47:59 GMT -5
If we are playing that game, News came out today that Blake Harris will transfer to NC A&T. This is from October 23: In a terse statement that was less than 20 words, the school's statement said, "Junior guard Blake Harris is no longer with the NC State men’s basketball program for personal reasons." Differences : they took Blake Harris off their roster on October 20th, and then said he was transferring when it was apparent where he was transferring to. I would guess that there are hard feelings there if they can't muster something nice to say because of the timing - October 20th is right before the season starts, and obviously wrecks whatever Keatts' plans were for his lineups and they probably felt he should have done that at the end of last season. Compare to statement on Omer Yurtseven transferring :
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 7, 2019 12:09:17 GMT -5
If we are playing that game, News came out today that Blake Harris will transfer to NC A&T. This is from October 23: In a terse statement that was less than 20 words, the school's statement said, "Junior guard Blake Harris is no longer with the NC State men’s basketball program for personal reasons." Differences : they took Blake Harris off their roster on October 20th, and then said he was transferring when it was apparent where he was transferring to. I would guess that there are hard feelings there if they can't muster something nice to say because of the timing - October 20th is right before the season starts, and obviously wrecks whatever Keatts' plans were for his lineups and they probably felt he should have done that at the end of last season. Compare to statement on Omer Yurtseven transferring : They didn’t say he was transferring. What I included was the only statement they made, and it only says he is no longer with the program. I agree, when the transfer is supported there are nicer statements by the former coach. It makes me wonder (speculation) if the more terse statements are made when the player enters the transfer portal without telling the coach, so the statement is then reactionary and removing the player from the team because of their intent to transfer.
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Post by TC on Dec 7, 2019 16:01:24 GMT -5
I agree, when the transfer is supported there are nicer statements by the former coach. It makes me wonder (speculation) if the more terse statements are made when the player enters the transfer portal without telling the coach, so the statement is then reactionary and removing the player from the team because of their intent to transfer. You might be completely right here. * Seems completely petty and vindictive though. If I understand the process correctly, it is not like the coach is blindsided - the athlete has to inform compliance and then they can sit on a transfer portal request for two days. It's not like they can go to a website without telling anyone and enter themselves.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 7, 2019 16:24:40 GMT -5
I agree, when the transfer is supported there are nicer statements by the former coach. It makes me wonder (speculation) if the more terse statements are made when the player enters the transfer portal without telling the coach, so the statement is then reactionary and removing the player from the team because of their intent to transfer. You might be completely right here. * Seems completely petty and vindictive though. I f I understand the process correctly, it is not like the coach is blindsided - the athlete has to inform compliance and then they can sit on a transfer portal request for two days. It's not like they can go to a website without telling anyone and enter themselves. Correct... www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/26529645/what-transfer-portalHow does a student-athlete enter his/her name into the portal?
I t's very simple: They go to their school's compliance department and tell them they want to be entered into the transfer portal. Some schools ask the student-athlete to tell the coach first, but once a player goes to compliance and makes the request, they have 48 hours to be entered into the portal. Compliance and/or the coaching staff can't say no; they can only delay it for a day or two. At the end of the day, the transfer request has to be fulfilled.
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Post by practice on Dec 8, 2019 10:57:56 GMT -5
Ok ... I hate to give this issue any more legs but Alexander and Gardner playing is optically an issue ... unless. I looked at the timeline and wildly speculated - like everyone else - but in a way that not only is plausible but also positive for the university and the coach. 9/16 there is a negative incident or incidents involving LeBlanc Alexander and Gardner. It is made worse by LeBlanc texting. A complaint is made to GU and GU police. 9/17 - 11/4 - GU student conduct process takes place. Players are generally exonerated. LeBlanc has some culpability and is reprimanded. Additional punishment by Coach. Also GU would have most likely issued no contact between players and complaintants until adjudication finalized. 11/4 - DC police report filed. 11/6 - Leblanc DNP first game. Will be in Ewing’s doghouse until he is no longer on the team. 11/9 - 1st TRO applied for and issued. 11/30 - UNCG debacle. Akinjo has bad game. LeBlanc non factor. 12/2 - Akinjo and LeBlanc effectively quit. GU issues a bad but typical press release and all hell breaks loose. This is pure speculation but so is everything else. At least this possible narrative would explain why the school is mum re FERPA and why Ewing played LeBlanc and continues to pla Alexander and Gardner. Here’s more on the actual timeline. www.casualhoya.com/2019/12/3/20993616/josh-leblanc-james-akinjo-transfer-dismissed-from-the-georgetown-basketball-program-patrick-ewing
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 8, 2019 11:41:10 GMT -5
I agree, when the transfer is supported there are nicer statements by the former coach. It makes me wonder (speculation) if the more terse statements are made when the player enters the transfer portal without telling the coach, so the statement is then reactionary and removing the player from the team because of their intent to transfer. You might be completely right here. * Seems completely petty and vindictive though. If I understand the process correctly, it is not like the coach is blindsided - the athlete has to inform compliance and then they can sit on a transfer portal request for two days. It's not like they can go to a website without telling anyone and enter themselves. Right, but my point was that a player could go to compliance before the coach. I could certainly see how the coach would be more terse in those situations.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Dec 8, 2019 11:54:11 GMT -5
Ok ... I hate to give this issue any more legs but Alexander and Gardner playing is optically an issue ... unless. I looked at the timeline and wildly speculated - like everyone else - but in a way that not only is plausible but also positive for the university and the coach. 9/16 there is a negative incident or incidents involving LeBlanc Alexander and Gardner. It is made worse by LeBlanc texting. A complaint is made to GU and GU police. 9/17 - 11/4 - GU student conduct process takes place. Players are generally exonerated. LeBlanc has some culpability and is reprimanded. Additional punishment by Coach. Also GU would have most likely issued no contact between players and complaintants until adjudication finalized. 11/4 - DC police report filed. 11/6 - Leblanc DNP first game. Will be in Ewing’s doghouse until he is no longer on the team. 11/9 - 1st TRO applied for and issued. 11/30 - UNCG debacle. Akinjo has bad game. LeBlanc non factor. 12/2 - Akinjo and LeBlanc effectively quit. GU issues a bad but typical press release and all hell breaks loose. This is pure speculation but so is everything else. At least this possible narrative would explain why the school is mum re FERPA and why Ewing played LeBlanc and continues to pla Alexander and Gardner. Here’s more on the actual timeline. www.casualhoya.com/2019/12/3/20993616/josh-leblanc-james-akinjo-transfer-dismissed-from-the-georgetown-basketball-program-patrick-ewingI think one of the keys to all of this is what happened between 9/16 and 11/4. Why did the accuser wait a month and a half to file an actual police report with MPD? Doesn’t really make much sense to me. In any event I think your timeline of events is completely plausible.
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Post by TC on Dec 8, 2019 12:20:02 GMT -5
You might be completely right here. * Seems completely petty and vindictive though. If I understand the process correctly, it is not like the coach is blindsided - the athlete has to inform compliance and then they can sit on a transfer portal request for two days. It's not like they can go to a website without telling anyone and enter themselves. Right, but my point was that a player could go to compliance before the coach. I could certainly see how the coach would be more terse in those situations. I still find it vindictive and petty given that he's got two days to try to repair the relationship, talk to the kid, and try to work things out before a request hits the portal and it becomes public. But let's be honest - the reason coaches are giving terse statements in these situations is not because the player didn't give them the courtesy of talking to them - it's because their request to leave in the beginning or the middle of the season inconveniences the coach by leaving him short handed and they want to punish the player in the only way they have the means to for that. That isn't a two way street - coaches can boot pull scholarships at any time and run a kid off. I think D1 college basketball is a complete scam of the players and an unpaid minor league masquerading as education and that kids need more rights that employees have. That's my bias here.
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Post by wilknow on Dec 9, 2019 17:39:09 GMT -5
It's college basketball. We've been so squeaky clean for years. Controversy finally hit the hill-top and its being dealt with, I feel..
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