royski
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Post by royski on Dec 5, 2019 16:01:28 GMT -5
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Post by guru on Dec 5, 2019 16:15:58 GMT -5
Good column by Svrluga. Accurate, and fairly devastating.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 5, 2019 16:18:48 GMT -5
Apparently Barry Svrluga has nothing better to do than inject his bias and speculation into a WaPo article. Bad, bad journalism.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 5, 2019 16:21:53 GMT -5
All of those in favor of transparency related to sensitive topics are welcome to post their last job evaluation, the last negative critique of his sexual prowess, the results of their last physical exam, and their last tax return.
How about we let the process play out? Hasn’t Patrick earned a bit of leeway with his intolerance of the situation with Sodom and Walker?
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royski
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Post by royski on Dec 5, 2019 16:23:28 GMT -5
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 5, 2019 16:23:34 GMT -5
"Journalists Opt for Speculation"
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Post by DFW HOYA on Dec 5, 2019 16:25:00 GMT -5
Transparency and FERPA are mutually exclusive.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 5, 2019 16:25:53 GMT -5
Bias against deference to confidentiality and against a culture in which journalists and the public do not get to know all of the answers, for one. It is not the first time the media has written badly of Georgetown basketball because it does not cater to them, and the author even makes a subtle reference to that.
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 5, 2019 16:27:25 GMT -5
Not only did Ewing do that, but I watched the press conference - immediately after saying he would take no questions on the situation and not naming Akinjo and Leblanc, he immediately patted himself and the team on the back for being able to get over the losses of Akinjo and Leblanc - by name.
A lot of people here were outraged beyond belief about JT3 ducking a press conference at the end of his tenure where he'd have been asked over and over again about whether he expected to be fired. That's not a question anyone should really have to answer. There are questions however in this case that Ewing and the AD should be answering and are ducking.
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Post by TC on Dec 5, 2019 16:29:05 GMT -5
Transparency and FERPA the Georgetown Athletics Department are mutually exclusive. Fixed
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Post by Massholya on Dec 5, 2019 16:33:55 GMT -5
I don’t understand how people don’t get how difficult this situation is. NO ONE HANDLES IT “RIGHT”. It is an impossible balance of trying to manage confidentiality, due process, and rights of both accused and accuser. Look at Duke lacrosse and Michigan state gymnastics- both total disasters from an outcome standpoint for the exact opposite reasons. I don’t frankly know that there is a way to handle these situations to everyone’s satisfaction. They are inherently messy. It’s a sad situation that is made infinitely more difficult due to litigation threat from accused and accuser. If anyone has a model on how institutions should deal with this I am sure all would love to hear it.
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Post by Elvado on Dec 5, 2019 16:35:56 GMT -5
The silver lining to the whole mess is that If the media (a loathsome group to be sure) keeps piling on, GU looks more sympathetic.
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Post by guru on Dec 5, 2019 16:37:14 GMT -5
Transparency and FERPA are mutually exclusive. Wasn’t hard to guess who’d chime in first with this tripe. Transparency is one thing. It’s a minefield. Competent public response to a crisis is another. There was a way to tactfully handle this - and the school seems to have brought this particular PR debacle onto itself.
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royski
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Post by royski on Dec 5, 2019 16:44:23 GMT -5
I don’t understand how people don’t get how difficult this situation is. NO ONE HANDLES IT “RIGHT”. It is an impossible balance of trying to manage confidentiality, due process, and rights of both accused and accuser. Look at Duke lacrosse and Michigan state gymnastics- both total disasters from an outcome standpoint for the exact opposite reasons. I don’t frankly know that there is a way to handle these situations to everyone’s satisfaction. They are inherently messy. It’s a sad situation that is made infinitely more difficult due to litigation threat from accused and accuser. If anyone has a model on how institutions should deal with this I am sure all would love to hear it. Unfortunately, when the impossible balance repeatedly comes down in favor of obfuscation, stone walling, and keeping basketball players on the court, you get real concerns about priorities and process. It's a fact that Alexander has a preliminary injunction against him with serious judicial findings. It seems obvious to me that he should not be representing the University on the court until that is resolved. The allegations are very serious and a judge thinks they're credible. That should be more than enough to suspend him out of an abundance of caution.
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Post by sleepy on Dec 5, 2019 16:58:05 GMT -5
I don’t understand how people don’t get how difficult this situation is. NO ONE HANDLES IT “RIGHT”. It is an impossible balance of trying to manage confidentiality, due process, and rights of both accused and accuser. Look at Duke lacrosse and Michigan state gymnastics- both total disasters from an outcome standpoint for the exact opposite reasons. I don’t frankly know that there is a way to handle these situations to everyone’s satisfaction. They are inherently messy. It’s a sad situation that is made infinitely more difficult due to litigation threat from accused and accuser. If anyone has a model on how institutions should deal with this I am sure all would love to hear it. Unfortunately, when the impossible balance repeatedly comes down in favor of obfuscation, stone walling, and keeping basketball players on the court, you get real concerns about priorities and process. It's a fact that Alexander has a preliminary injunction against him with serious judicial findings. It seems obvious to me that he should not be representing the University on the court until that is resolved. The allegations are very serious and a judge thinks they're credible. That should be more than enough to suspend him out of an abundance of caution. In you scenario you are opening the University up to serious lawsuits by Alexander if he is innocent. Didn't a couple of athletes just win a case like this against some school in Michigan or Illinois? So no, that isn't enough to suspend him. IMO, your response is completely over the top considering the actual accusations against these players, not the flashy headlines that condense it. They don't even have any criminal charges against them and we are acting as if they skipped out on bail.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 5, 2019 17:05:04 GMT -5
Amen sleepy.
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Post by hoya9797 on Dec 5, 2019 17:06:04 GMT -5
A serious lawsuit for not playing a guy? This has crossed over into crazy town. Nobody in the history of sports has ever won a lawsuit over a DNP-coaches decision.
At the Georgetown I thought I attended, guys with credible claims of assault, burglary, and harassment didn't get playing time.
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Post by wrestlemania on Dec 5, 2019 17:09:16 GMT -5
The tension between GU's say nothing policy and the Post goes back to the Tony Kornheiser days. But the truth is that GU is just flat out bad at PR, probably due the lack of strong leadership in the athletic department and, relatedly, the deference to Pops. Easy to see why they can't the messaging right -- no one really has permission to say anything.
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royski
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Post by royski on Dec 5, 2019 17:16:32 GMT -5
Unfortunately, when the impossible balance repeatedly comes down in favor of obfuscation, stone walling, and keeping basketball players on the court, you get real concerns about priorities and process. It's a fact that Alexander has a preliminary injunction against him with serious judicial findings. It seems obvious to me that he should not be representing the University on the court until that is resolved. The allegations are very serious and a judge thinks they're credible. That should be more than enough to suspend him out of an abundance of caution. In you scenario you are opening the University up to serious lawsuits by Alexander if he is innocent. Didn't a couple of athletes just win a case like this against some school in Michigan or Illinois? So no, that isn't enough to suspend him. IMO, your response is completely over the top considering the actual accusations against these players, not the flashy headlines that condense it. They don't even have any criminal charges against them and we are acting as if they skipped out on bail. You really want to minimize the accusations? Gardner is accused of showing his erect Edited to one of the girls, without consent. Then Gardner, LeBlanc and Alexander came to her apartment, burglarized it, and stole thousands of dollars worth of items. She reported these incidents to campus police, and called one of the players to confront them about the theft, and he threatened her, saying “if you tell anyone we’ll send people after you”. Her roommate states that LeBlanc threatened her with bodily harm, by text and verbally. She also fears for her safety from Alexander. Two separate judges heard this, and both granted restraining orders. These accusations have been made under penalty of perjury. Maybe you think that's all good harmless fun. I don't think men credibly accused of terrorizing female students should be representing our school until they're cleared.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 5, 2019 17:24:54 GMT -5
So, a "credible" accusation shifts things into a sort of guilty until proven innocent scenario?
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