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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 8, 2019 10:28:26 GMT -5
Great performances the last 2 games. Everyone looking much better and in rhythm. Still think our Achilles heal going forward will be foul trouble. This hasn’t been an issue at all these last 2 road games but always seems to be a problem for us.
Am I the only one that’s noticed the refs in the Big 12 OK St game and last night really let the teams play. Very few egregiously bad calls. A lot of stuff down low that I thought would definitely be called in BE play was let slide, going both ways.
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 8, 2019 10:45:19 GMT -5
So apparently the only player who could stop Mac was Akinjo? ...and Blair, and Allen, this list continues to grow
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 8, 2019 10:54:36 GMT -5
In all honesty as I watched the game last night I kept expecting the inevitable scoring drought which would turn this into another of the nail biters we have seen too often in recent seasons. Yet, every time someone would go "cold" another player seemed to step up. Maybe that makes me a doom and gloomer or maybe it is just the PTSD of what has been an all too frequent recurring pattern over the past several seasons. In any event I attribute the change to the make-up of this "new" Hoya team. Now it gets tested at home against a truly hated opponent in the first "big" game these kids will have played as a group on a somewhat home court. I was fighting the same anxiety..and it is like battered spouse 's syndrome. We had lots of lapses actually (think Yurt's boneheaded foul at first half buzzer and some generally dreadful long rebounding). But that's probably a good thing, because it means we left some meat on the table in a 20-point road beatdown. Can't really get over what a resounding indictment these last two games have been for Akinjo... and how affirming they have been for Pat and Allen. Our ceiling is probably a little lower; but our basement is exponentially higher. Good to see Blair finally make some shots.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 8, 2019 10:54:53 GMT -5
You don't know if he Galen has a relationship off the court with that player. They could be tight friends. It didn't seem like the player was to worried about it... I agree. They seemed friendly after, I didn’t take it as a negative. Seemed like they knew eachother People searching for something to create an issue. They can't complain about the play on the court so oh oh look at what Galen just did...
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Post by joey0403p on Dec 8, 2019 10:56:27 GMT -5
Great performances the last 2 games. Everyone looking much better and in rhythm. Still think our Achilles heal going forward will be foul trouble. This hasn’t been an issue at all these last 2 road games but always seems to be a problem for us. Am I the only one that’s noticed the refs in the Big 12 OK St game and last night really let the teams play. Very few egregiously bad calls. A lot of stuff down low that I thought would definitely be called in BE play was let slide, going both ways. Maybe not a fair observation because we won both games - but I absolutely thought the refs the last two games were GREAT. They didn’t call a lot of tic tac crap. There were one or two fouls we committed that they didn’t call, that I was shocked about - and I don’t think SMU had a similar benefit that I can remember. But I just love NOT talking about the refs. Anyone on OK or SMU boards know if they were complaining about refs? Ie - do we think they were good just because we won?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 8, 2019 11:12:49 GMT -5
In all honesty as I watched the game last night I kept expecting the inevitable scoring drought which would turn this into another of the nail biters we have seen too often in recent seasons. Yet, every time someone would go "cold" another player seemed to step up. Maybe that makes me a doom and gloomer or maybe it is just the PTSD of what has been an all too frequent recurring pattern over the past several seasons. In any event I attribute the change to the make-up of this "new" Hoya team. Now it gets tested at home against a truly hated opponent in the first "big" game these kids will have played as a group on a somewhat home court. I was fighting the same anxiety..and it is like battered spouse 's syndrome. We had lots of lapses actually (think Yurt's boneheaded foul at first half buzzer and some generally dreadful long rebounding). But that's probably a good thing, because it means we left some meat on the table in a 20-point road beatdown. Can't really get over what a resounding indictment these last two games have been for Akinjo... and how affirming they have been for Pat and Allen. Our ceiling is probably a little lower; but our basement is exponentially higher. Good to see Blair finally make some shots. I agree with a lot of things you said above except for the team's ceiling being lower. I absolutely think this team's ceiling is way higher now. It's much harder to defend seven players then it was to defend two or three players (in a good game). Plus team chemistry has obviously improved which absolutely raises the ceiling. You see the guys celebrating with Blair last night. Let's face facts, Blair had been awful before last night. Once he got going the entire team (in true NBA style offense) was trying to get him the ball. I just don't think that happens minus the change at lead guard. You can't put a value on team chemistry and the enjoyment the team has now. That's fun basketball. I bet you the players can't wait to get back on the court and put in work...
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 8, 2019 11:18:11 GMT -5
I thought the OSU game was the perfect storm of fortune and it would be hard to repeat but boy was I wrong. I still can’t believe last night. I missed the 2H from the under 12 on so I missed the Blair barrage but that had be fun to watch. If we are going to hit 3’s like that we are going to be tough to beat but that could be said for any team. We clearly are getting better looks thanks to actual passing but over 50% obviously isn’t sustainable. If we can keep up over 40% we will win more than I thought we could.
I was not that impressed with the D last night compared to many others. I thought they were getting whatever they wanted for the most part. They just couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. That being said it was more so great offense sets by them than it was bad D from us. Their coach is really good.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 8, 2019 11:25:45 GMT -5
I thought the OSU game was the perfect storm of fortune and it would be hard to repeat but boy was I wrong. I still can’t believe last night. I missed the 2H from the under 12 on so I missed the Blair barrage but that had be fun to watch. If we are going to hit 3’s like that we are going to be tough to beat but that could be said for any team. We clearly are getting better looks thanks to actual passing but over 50% obviously isn’t sustainable. If we can keep up over 40% we will win more than I thought we could. I was not that impressed with the D last night compared to many others. I thought they were getting whatever they wanted for the most part. They just couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn. That being said it was more so great offense sets by them than it was bad D from us. Their coach is really good. The D was not perfect, never is. We gave them too many open threes, many of which they missed. Our interior D was pretty good.
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Post by rhw485 on Dec 8, 2019 11:27:13 GMT -5
Another impressive road performance, some takeaways: - Perfect example of the schedule working in our favor. We have played multiple games against high major competition and were ready for the road atmosphere. This was SMU's first step up in talent. I think they're better then they showed tonight but they simply weren't ready for the step up. Hopeful they'll bounce back so this holds up as a quality win
- I was curious what tempo the game was going to be played at, SMU came in with a sub 300 pace of play and we're still hovering around top 30. I do think that came into play when we came out on fire. They took some quick shots to try and keep up with us and it all just snowballed in the beginning. They could never get their footing after that.
- Similar themes to OK St, Allen just doing a masterful job of running the offense. The first two buckets of the game came on off-ball screens for Mac to catch an in rhythm 3. Expect we'll see more of that going forward. If Mac keeps shooting that well, teams will have to run out on him and the driving lanes will part
- At a high level, we've essentially traded free throws for 3 point attempts post-transfers. We've kept up the offensive rebounding rate. That's probably a more sustainable profile as we weren't always going to get those calls.
- The minutes without Allen on the court will continue to be worth monitoring. Mosely took most of the PG duties during those stretches. We got a little ragged during that stretch, not all of it on Mosely but we'll see if that trend continues.
- The stretch of the game where it got a little dicey in 2nd half, Pickett stepped up with a mini 7 point run. Those baskets were absolutely critical and essentially ended the game before Blair had his final barrage.
- On defense, SMU did the two things that a well coached thing will do to attack our pick n roll coverage: (1) Big man slipping the screen, (2) pick n pop at the top of the key. The first play of the game was a big man slip and he just missed the layup. And there were multiple times where there was confusion on who was supposed to rotate over against pick n pop. A lot of it was them simply missing shots. And thats fine, it's great that we got to see those actions and have the opportunity to make adjustments.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 8, 2019 11:37:00 GMT -5
Looks like redshirt years for them..which is great in terms of development. Only complaint, would have liked to see the walk-ons get some run. Cone on Coach Ewing...get it together! I agree with the walk-ons, particularly Robinson. And Chuma Azinge...
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Dec 8, 2019 11:53:13 GMT -5
Another impressive road performance, some takeaways: - Perfect example of the schedule working in our favor. We have played multiple games against high major competition and were ready for the road atmosphere. This was SMU's first step up in talent. I think they're better then they showed tonight but they simply weren't ready for the step up. Hopeful they'll bounce back so this holds up as a quality win
- I was curious what tempo the game was going to be played at, SMU came in with a sub 300 pace of play and we're still hovering around top 30. I do think that came into play when we came out on fire. They took some quick shots to try and keep up with us and it all just snowballed in the beginning. They could never get their footing after that.
- Similar themes to OK St, Allen just doing a masterful job of running the offense. The first two buckets of the game came on off-ball screens for Mac to catch an in rhythm 3. Expect we'll see more of that going forward. If Mac keeps shooting that well, teams will have to run out on him and the driving lanes will part
- At a high level, we've essentially traded free throws for 3 point attempts post-transfers. We've kept up the offensive rebounding rate. That's probably a more sustainable profile as we weren't always going to get those calls.
- The minutes without Allen on the court will continue to be worth monitoring. Mosely took most of the PG duties during those stretches. We got a little ragged during that stretch, not all of it on Mosely but we'll see if that trend continues.
- The stretch of the game where it got a little dicey in 2nd half, Pickett stepped up with a mini 7 point run. Those baskets were absolutely critical and essentially ended the game before Blair had his final barrage.
- On defense, SMU did the two things that a well coached thing will do to attack our pick n roll coverage: (1) Big man slipping the screen, (2) pick n pop at the top of the key. The first play of the game was a big man slip and he just missed the layup. And there were multiple times where there was confusion on who was supposed to rotate over against pick n pop. A lot of it was them simply missing shots. And thats fine, it's great that we got to see those actions and have the opportunity to make adjustments.
Agree with everything you said here except for the part in bold. I think we took more threes because of the defensive coverage and the Terrell Allen effect the last couple of games. Both OK St and SMU started the game by going under screens especially on Mac McClung. His first two 3's last night was because SMU went under the screens. SMU continued to play that way the entire fi half. Allen & Mosely's contagious desire to continuously move the ball has lead to way more open looks in the last two games then arguably the first seven games combined. That kind of ball movement (along with whatever coach Ewing said to him after their shoot around plus minutes) allowed for a Blair to get out of his shooting funk last night. I think this team will get back to the free throw line more if/when defensive coverage changes.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Dec 8, 2019 11:56:43 GMT -5
Akinjo is a talented tough little guard. Who it seems always took the challenge in high school of those who said he was to small to be a dominant player and proved them wrong. He modeled his game after Lilliard who said recently that he was the toughest pg in the country. In listening to his comments after he signed with Georgetown, it was obvious to me that the young man felt that he was talented enough to follow his idol to the NBA; (2) he wants to be able to provide for his family; and (3) the reason he signed with Georgetown was his relationship with Ewing(I.e. Ewing had committed to giving him the keys to the team). The problem unfortunately for Ewing and him was for him at his size to get to the NBA he would have to post some gaudy numbers in college for the NBA teams to overlook his deficiencies in size and defensive ability. To post the type of numbers he needed, the rest of the team would have to defer to his style of play. Unfortunately for him, this team has other talented players(Yurtseven, McClung, etc,) who could also be “the man” on this team. Last year with the team transforming to a running team and the three freshman deferring to senior Govan as “the man”, Akinjo’s desire to be “the man” was not as apparent as it was this year. His tendency to over dribble and not get the ball to the other stars of the team was becoming a serious problem, so much so that Ewing had started publicly calling the team selfish and not sharing the ball. Ultimately that criticism rests with the pg. More than likely, Ewing in private had told Akinjo that his public criticism of the team was aimed at him. He may have felt that his chance to put up the numbers needed to achieve his ultimate goal could not be achieved by sharing the ball each game with Yurtseven and McClung, therefore he used the present turmoil with his friend LaBlanc to move on.
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Post by theboardkatt on Dec 8, 2019 11:56:44 GMT -5
Great performances the last 2 games. Everyone looking much better and in rhythm. Still think our Achilles heal going forward will be foul trouble. This hasn’t been an issue at all these last 2 road games but always seems to be a problem for us. Am I the only one that’s noticed the refs in the Big 12 OK St game and last night really let the teams play. Very few egregiously bad calls. A lot of stuff down low that I thought would definitely be called in BE play was let slide, going both ways. Maybe not a fair observation because we won both games - but I absolutely thought the refs the last two games were GREAT. They didn’t call a lot of tic tac crap. There were one or two fouls we committed that they didn’t call, that I was shocked about - and I don’t think SMU had a similar benefit that I can remember. But I just love NOT talking about the refs. Anyone on OK or SMU boards know if they were complaining about refs? Ie - do we think they were good just because we won? I hate talking about the refs as well but I'm trying to say they were very good - I see little anyone could complain about either way. Just let the kids play and thats what they did.
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Post by saxagael on Dec 8, 2019 11:59:50 GMT -5
I agree with the walk-ons, particularly Robinson. And Chuma Azinge... Yep. I don't know much about him and haven't paid attention. Robinson I've seen play in high school and if he has had good coaching last year and this he could be decent depth fill-in next year With Jon Wallace gone I don't know who is helping coach the PG slot. PG is the toughest spot on roster as it is far more than being a ball hander.
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Post by smokeyjack on Dec 8, 2019 12:58:12 GMT -5
I was fighting the same anxiety..and it is like battered spouse 's syndrome. We had lots of lapses actually (think Yurt's boneheaded foul at first half buzzer and some generally dreadful long rebounding). But that's probably a good thing, because it means we left some meat on the table in a 20-point road beatdown. Can't really get over what a resounding indictment these last two games have been for Akinjo... and how affirming they have been for Pat and Allen. Our ceiling is probably a little lower; but our basement is exponentially higher. Good to see Blair finally make some shots. I agree with a lot of things you said above except for the team's ceiling being lower. I absolutely think this team's ceiling is way higher now. It's much harder to defend seven players then it was to defend two or three player (in a good game). Plus team chemistry has obviously improved which absolutely raises the ceiling. You see the guys celebrating with Blair last night. Let's face facts, Blair had been awful before last night. Once he got going the entire team (in true NBA style offense) was trying to get him the ball. I just don't think that happens minus the change at lead guard. You can't put a value on team chemistry and the enjoyment the team has now. That's fun basketball. I bet you the players can't wait to get back on the court and put in work... I think we’re actually saying the same thing differently. I absolutely think the team as currently composed is superior to the group with Akinjo and LeBlanc due to chemistry. I also do think this group has a lower ceiling than a team on which James and Josh were functioning at an optimal, selfless level. I don’t think it’s possible to argue we have a higher ceiling by removing two of our four most talented players. I do however agree that those two were/are potentially incapable of reaching that ceiling because of hoops IQ, coachability, selfishness, chemistry, etc. Point was we got worse talent wise but much better team wise. It’s a no-brainer tradeoff, just too bad those guys couldn’t make it work. Seen lots of ubertalented guys over the years who were bad juju. Guess it’s a moot point, because if James could play selflessly and facilitate and defend he wouldn’t be James. Hard to believe he can’t see how devastating this could be to perceptions of him as a player. I know others were discussing his challenging upbringing but wow did this kid ever blow it. He’s not going to find a better situation...especially not when folks look at the before and after.
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 8, 2019 13:27:41 GMT -5
Great performances the last 2 games. Everyone looking much better and in rhythm. Still think our Achilles heal going forward will be foul trouble. This hasn’t been an issue at all these last 2 road games but always seems to be a problem for us. Am I the only one that’s noticed the refs in the Big 12 OK St game and last night really let the teams play. Very few egregiously bad calls. A lot of stuff down low that I thought would definitely be called in BE play was let slide, going both ways. Was it my imagination or did have Yurt doing a softer hedge last night? If so, I’m all for it as we need to keep Yurt on the floor and out of foul trouble.
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Post by HoyaChris on Dec 8, 2019 14:02:08 GMT -5
Great performances the last 2 games. Everyone looking much better and in rhythm. Still think our Achilles heal going forward will be foul trouble. This hasn’t been an issue at all these last 2 road games but always seems to be a problem for us. Am I the only one that’s noticed the refs in the Big 12 OK St game and last night really let the teams play. Very few egregiously bad calls. A lot of stuff down low that I thought would definitely be called in BE play was let slide, going both ways. Was it my imagination or did have Yurt doing a softer hedge last night? If so, I’m all for it as we need to keep Yurt on the floor and out of foul trouble. Absolutely not your imagination. Except for one hedge, he was coming out about two feet less which led to a quicker recovery - and much less foul exposure.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Dec 8, 2019 14:27:12 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of things you said above except for the team's ceiling being lower. I absolutely think this team's ceiling is way higher now. It's much harder to defend seven players then it was to defend two or three player (in a good game). Plus team chemistry has obviously improved which absolutely raises the ceiling. You see the guys celebrating with Blair last night. Let's face facts, Blair had been awful before last night. Once he got going the entire team (in true NBA style offense) was trying to get him the ball. I just don't think that happens minus the change at lead guard. You can't put a value on team chemistry and the enjoyment the team has now. That's fun basketball. I bet you the players can't wait to get back on the court and put in work... I think we’re actually saying the same thing differently. I absolutely think the team as currently composed is superior to the group with Akinjo and LeBlanc due to chemistry. I also do think this group has a lower ceiling than a team on which James and Josh were functioning at an optimal, selfless level. I don’t think it’s possible to argue we have a higher ceiling by removing two of our four most talented players. I do however agree that those two were/are potentially incapable of reaching that ceiling because of hoops IQ, coachability, selfishness, chemistry, etc. Point was we got worse talent wise but much better team wise. It’s a no-brainer tradeoff, just too bad those guys couldn’t make it work. Seen lots of ubertalented guys over the years who were bad juju. Guess it’s a moot point, because if James could play selflessly and facilitate and defend he wouldn’t be James. Hard to believe he can’t see how devastating this could be to perceptions of him as a player. I know others were discussing his challenging upbringing but wow did this kid ever blow it. He’s not going to find a better situation...especially not when folks look at the before and after. agree with all of this 👍
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Post by eastcoastteddy58 on Dec 8, 2019 14:29:27 GMT -5
I think i'm a call Blair, Young Gunna he was "Hot" last night! Young Thug/Gunna/Travis Scott. Every Superhero needs his theme music
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 8, 2019 14:31:46 GMT -5
We are up to 39th in the Sagarin rankings with a SOS of 19, 3rd as a team with three losses and 6th in the BE.
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