hoyaduck
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Post by hoyaduck on Nov 25, 2019 13:01:26 GMT -5
Georgetown receiving 1 vote in the latest AP poll. Texas receiving 16 and Penn State receiving 10.
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Nov 25, 2019 13:33:20 GMT -5
Georgetown receiving 1 vote in the latest AP poll. Texas receiving 16 and Penn State receiving 10. It's a beginning. Gotta build on Texas and Duke.
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NCHoya
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Post by NCHoya on Nov 25, 2019 14:05:13 GMT -5
Unfortunately it seems that Ewing will shorten his rotation only against quality opponents such as Texas, Duke, etc during the noncon schedule. I expect him to keep the rotation short again Syracuse and OK State as they will be the most challenging teams left before BE starts. He should have done so against PSU however I guess it was still early in the season. I'm still shocked about how poorly we played and coached that game. Ewing needs to realize that UNCG and SMU wont be walks in the park as they are both top 100 teams. This isn't the time to tinker anymore, he made a tougher schedule so he needs to adjust to that as a coach. We need to keep it to 9 players and stretch it to 10 if there is foul trouble. The bench players that get minutes should be Jagan, Galen, Wahab and one of Allen/Blair/Gardner (depending on match up and who is hot). Leblanc needs to start or come in within the first couple minutes of both halves. I won't be satisfied until that is happening consistently. That being said, I have hope that Ewing will get it done. I've been quick to criticize the rotations this year, but I'm not sure how you got there that he will only shorten against "quality" opponents as defined as Duke and Texas. There were signs in the Georgia St. game that the rotation was shortened in the 2nd half, and that carried through to Texas and Duke. If we see the all bench lineup against UNC Greensboro in the 1st half we'll have every right to complain. Will give Ewing the benefit of the doubt for now that he learned who can play in those first 3.5 games and is applying it to the squad going forward. In the second half against Ga St Ewing certainly shortened the bench because the Hoyas were losing at the half. I am concerned he will try the same thing against UNCG and get burned because UNCG is too good for that type of experimentation.
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Post by HoyaDr on Nov 25, 2019 14:32:34 GMT -5
Georgetown receiving 1 vote in the latest AP poll. Texas receiving 16 and Penn State receiving 10. That means we are at top 40ish team! Haha! And our losses are not bad losses even tho the one against PSU was at home. But seriously, I think the perception of our beloved Hoyas continues to be on the upswing. One game at a time...
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Post by kettlehill on Nov 25, 2019 17:20:57 GMT -5
Sounds like a decent match-up for the Hoyas. A defensive-minded team that has limited shooting, plays to our strengths. You would expect strength against strength, the Big East team should prevail. However, I never want to get ahead of myself with these games because Ewing is likely viewing this game as another chance to be the mad scientist that tests out crazy line-ups using hockey-like substitution patterns while going 11 deep each at 10+ minutes. My fear is the Hoyas get stuck in a deficit similar to Ga State but are not able to dig out of it against a better opponent like UNCG. Personally for me, this is what makes this part of the season not enjoyable with Ewing. If coach just plays a tight 8-9 man rotation like he does against name brand opponents, we win going away, but he won't. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Judging from his post game Duke comments, he thinks the Hoyas are 12 deep. I feel for Blair, but until he shows that he is that sniper we really need off the bench, I do not think he should play serious minutes. Likewise Myron ( who will certainly get his minutes down the road). The starters have to get their rhythm, let them play through some bumps- they know when they F@#k up, Patrick doesn’t have to sit them every damn time there is a “miscue”....
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Nov 25, 2019 17:54:54 GMT -5
Kyrin Galloway was 5 for 7 from 3 last night. A word to the wise.
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Post by beenaround on Nov 25, 2019 18:57:43 GMT -5
Georgetown receiving 1 vote in the latest AP poll. Texas receiving 16 and Penn State receiving 10. It's a beginning. Gotta build on Texas and Duke. I think it’s pathetic that a team we whipped on neutral court has 16 times our votes. Not to mention that The #1 team needed some very favorable refereeing to beat the Hoyas. The Twerps have beaten five cupcakes at home and are ranked fifth. PSU is also 5-0 with a road win ag us and is way down the list Obviously we’re clearly not relevant, yet.
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Post by tashoya on Nov 25, 2019 23:25:34 GMT -5
I've been quick to criticize the rotations this year, but I'm not sure how you got there that he will only shorten against "quality" opponents as defined as Duke and Texas. There were signs in the Georgia St. game that the rotation was shortened in the 2nd half, and that carried through to Texas and Duke. If we see the all bench lineup against UNC Greensboro in the 1st half we'll have every right to complain. Will give Ewing the benefit of the doubt for now that he learned who can play in those first 3.5 games and is applying it to the squad going forward. In the second half against Ga St Ewing certainly shortened the bench because the Hoyas were losing at the half. I am concerned he will try the same thing against UNCG and get burned because UNCG is too good for that type of experimentation. This is the first time in years that I'm not worried. The effective depth has made itself apparent. And the effort on the defensive end has been better and more consistent over the past couple of games than we've seen in a long while. Even during the Duke game, Ewing put in a, seemingly, defensive unit with very little in the way of obvious options on offense and they actually grew the lead. I like this squad.
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Post by Omega on Nov 25, 2019 23:37:45 GMT -5
Nonsense. The pre conference is to grow the bench. Had Ewing not played Q, as many were suggesting, he would not have been ready for Duke.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 25, 2019 23:42:25 GMT -5
Nonsense. The pre conference is to grow the bench. Had Ewing not played Q, as many were suggesting, he would not have been ready for Duke. 100%
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 26, 2019 8:10:52 GMT -5
Kyrin Galloway was 5 for 7 from 3 last night. A word to the wise. Yeah, UNC-G has players who can shoot. They like to spread the floor and chuck it.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 26, 2019 8:24:14 GMT -5
It all depends on how hot they are from three.
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 26, 2019 9:20:56 GMT -5
It all depends on how hot they are from three. To put it another way -- it all depends on how the Hoyas defend the three!
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 26, 2019 9:22:42 GMT -5
Nonsense. The pre conference is to grow the bench. Had Ewing not played Q, as many were suggesting, he would not have been ready for Duke. Let me add that I am very pleasantly surprised with the play of Q. He has far exceeded my expectations pre season. Look forward to the next few years with him holding down the middle.
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Post by NCHoya on Nov 26, 2019 10:00:21 GMT -5
Nonsense. The pre conference is to grow the bench. Had Ewing not played Q, as many were suggesting, he would not have been ready for Duke. Who is saying not to play Q? I would like to see an 8-9 man rotation, that would include Q. I understand my opinion on a shorter rotation is not aligned with the majority of the board, but my preferred option is give the starters significant minutes together, have them build a lead, and then you can experiment with your 9, 10 and 11 options off the bench. I have seen other teams do it before with success. It puzzles me why people get upset in game threads about turnovers and bad defense, but then embrace Ewing's method of playing 20 (exaggeration) different line-ups a game. Do we not understand one is highly correlated to the other? The honeymoon is over for me, I want no excuses come January that the starters are playing sloppy with turnovers, slow defensive rotations, etc. By January, the starting five (or six since Leblanc cannot seem to start!) should be a cohesive unit that knows what their teammates are doing off instinct, they should move quick and be able to cover for each other seamlessly on defense. As long as that happens, regardless of how we get there, that is pre-conference success. In the meantime, I will be building up an ulcer watching us scrape by UNCG and other inferior teams.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Nov 26, 2019 10:01:36 GMT -5
Nonsense. The pre conference is to grow the bench. Had Ewing not played Q, as many were suggesting, he would not have been ready for Duke. Let me add that I am very pleasantly surprised with the play of Q. He has far exceeded my expectations pre season. Look forward to the next few years with him holding down the middle. You are absolutely right! The young was grace under fire, stepping in and filling the void left by Yurt’s foul troubles. Love the kid!
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 26, 2019 10:07:58 GMT -5
Sounds like a decent match-up for the Hoyas. A defensive-minded team that has limited shooting, plays to our strengths. You would expect strength against strength, the Big East team should prevail. However, I never want to get ahead of myself with these games because Ewing is likely viewing this game as another chance to be the mad scientist that tests out crazy line-ups using hockey-like substitution patterns while going 11 deep each at 10+ minutes. My fear is the Hoyas get stuck in a deficit similar to Ga State but are not able to dig out of it against a better opponent like UNCG. Personally for me, this is what makes this part of the season not enjoyable with Ewing. If coach just plays a tight 8-9 man rotation like he does against name brand opponents, we win going away, but he won't. Unfortunately, I think you are right. Judging from his post game Duke comments, he thinks the Hoyas are 12 deep. I feel for Blair, but until he shows that he is that sniper we really need off the bench, I do not think he should play serious minutes. Likewise Myron ( who will certainly get his minutes down the road). The starters have to get their rhythm, let them play through some bumps- they know when they F@#k up, Patrick doesn’t have to sit them every damn time there is a “miscue”.... I don't know why we continue to have this made up theme that Pat has a quick hook. Usually the hook comes after the 3rd or 4th boneheaded play by "insert player name here". We no longer have 2 or 3 freshman starting as everyone playing major minutes outside of Q has had at least a full year of being coached on good and bad plays. If you continue to let them go, they will continue to happen and we will continue to be mediocre at best. I have yet to see him pull someone who was giving maximum effort and playing good fundamental team basketball on either end. He has in fact pulled people for failing to give an effort on defense or ignoring their teammates on offense and it is rarely after their 1st offense in a few minute sequence. Also, despite the narrative on this board, Blair actually does add more than just outside shooting when on the offense end. He does a good job of moving the ball and getting it into the post when he is on the court and his assist per 40 over the past couple years show that.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 26, 2019 10:37:09 GMT -5
Excellent points!
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 26, 2019 11:16:10 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I think you are right. Judging from his post game Duke comments, he thinks the Hoyas are 12 deep. I feel for Blair, but until he shows that he is that sniper we really need off the bench, I do not think he should play serious minutes. Likewise Myron ( who will certainly get his minutes down the road). The starters have to get their rhythm, let them play through some bumps- they know when they F@#k up, Patrick doesn’t have to sit them every damn time there is a “miscue”.... I don't know why we continue to have this made up theme that Pat has a quick hook. Usually the hook comes after the 3rd or 4th boneheaded play by "insert player name here". We no longer have 2 or 3 freshman starting as everyone playing major minutes outside of Q has had at least a full year of being coached on good and bad plays. If you continue to let them go, they will continue to happen and we will continue to be mediocre at best. I have yet to see him pull someone who was giving maximum effort and playing good fundamental team basketball on either end. He has in fact pulled people for failing to give an effort on defense or ignoring their teammates on offense and it is rarely after their 1st offense in a few minute sequence. Also, despite the narrative on this board, Blair actually does add more than just outside shooting when on the offense end. He does a good job of moving the ball and getting it into the post when he is on the court and his assist per 40 over the past couple years show that. 100%. It is one thing to know when you have screwed up. It is another to know there will actually be consequences if you don't learn from your mistakes, but instead keep making the same ones over and over. I knew it was a mistake to stay out past curfew as a teenager. But I stopped doing it because I knew I would be grounded for it.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 26, 2019 11:20:34 GMT -5
Nonsense. The pre conference is to grow the bench. Had Ewing not played Q, as many were suggesting, he would not have been ready for Duke. Who is saying not to play Q? I would like to see an 8-9 man rotation, that would include Q. I understand my opinion on a shorter rotation is not aligned with the majority of the board, but my preferred option is give the starters significant minutes together, have them build a lead, and then you can experiment with your 9, 10 and 11 options off the bench. I have seen other teams do it before with success. It puzzles me why people get upset in game threads about turnovers and bad defense, but then embrace Ewing's method of playing 20 (exaggeration) different line-ups a game. Do we not understand one is highly correlated to the other? The honeymoon is over for me, I want no excuses come January that the starters are playing sloppy with turnovers, slow defensive rotations, etc. By January, the starting five (or six since Leblanc cannot seem to start!) should be a cohesive unit that knows what their teammates are doing off instinct, they should move quick and be able to cover for each other seamlessly on defense. As long as that happens, regardless of how we get there, that is pre-conference success. In the meantime, I will be building up an ulcer watching us scrape by UNCG and other inferior teams. We primarily get upset about the lazy, sloppy, stupid turnovers. Those have zero to do with cohesiveness. Patrick is still figuring out what he can expect from some of the bench players. You need to get them all some rb early on to help find that out. Some of them will begin to see only spot minutes depending on what we need that particular game.
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