drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 19, 2019 22:04:29 GMT -5
As much as we love talking about Yurt and our bigs, this team will go as far as Mackinjo take us. I really believe if those two grow into their roles we have the supporting cast to take us to the next level.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 19, 2019 22:44:58 GMT -5
Your position was that the big man was dead in college basketball. Taco Fall was brought in to show that a big man in the college game can help his team more than hold their own with any team in the tournament. We never took a position that 3pts aren’t part of the modern game. You are responding to a straw man. I never said that "the big man was dead in college basketball." Rather, I said, "I hate generalizing, but I really think HoyaTalk has a tendency to overestimate the role of the big man in college basketball in 2019." Indeed, I originally made the comment in relation to defense, not offense - that fears of having to defend opposing bigs in the post were not warranted. The real problem with bigs is usually their defensive liability in not being able to be quick enough to defend pick and roll offense. There is definitely an offensive role for them in the college game (which I said previously), though post-ups are among the least efficient types of shots in basketball. Yurtseven has the skill level to probably pull it off in many instances; Wahab does not yet. “3pts aren’t part of the modern game” Is a Strawman as well because nobody said that.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 19, 2019 22:58:05 GMT -5
“3pts aren’t part of the modern game” Is a Strawman as well because nobody said that. You’re quoting yourself, you realize? This is silly anyway. I don’t think we even disagree on the major point. There’s a place for both threes and big men in college basketball. I think we can agree on that. As I said my original point addressed concerns about defending big men. It had nothing to do with threes or offense from big men.
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Gammo
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Post by Gammo on Nov 20, 2019 1:53:39 GMT -5
I am posting in reply to Omega. I am sure I am not alone in feeling that you always made the Board even more entertaining. Welcome back Omega!
Hoya Saxa!!
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 20, 2019 7:38:23 GMT -5
“3pts aren’t part of the modern game” Is a Strawman as well because nobody said that. You’re quoting yourself, you realize? This is silly anyway. I don’t think we even disagree on the major point. There’s a place for both threes and big men in college basketball. I think we can agree on that. As I said my original point addressed concerns about defending big men. It had nothing to do with threes or offense from big men. but shooting threes is a major part of the modern game, and to deny that is simply ignoring the evolution of the game. That's your post. Strawman. Nobody was saying that shooting 3s isn't a part of the modern game.
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IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Nov 20, 2019 8:43:02 GMT -5
With the Penn State loss, it’s very important we post some quality wins over this next 6 game stretch ending with Cuse. I’d treat these contests like conference games, not experimental games. 4-2 would be enough to mask the PSU loss. Stop talking about the tournament in November. Jesus you people are insane. Careful Don Cherry got fired for using the term you people.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 20, 2019 12:41:06 GMT -5
Prob should start another entire thread on this big man subject, but Fall and other bigs are pretty much outliers. Today’s college game is predicated on 3s, defending the 3, getting to line and TOs. Offensive post play is a complete afterthought in cbk and nba. Thought of this post when reading this tweet, the game really has changed dramatically... It doesn’t mean that the big man is dead, it more than likely means that there are different ways to get points in the paint...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 20, 2019 12:54:46 GMT -5
Funny that you posted that EtomicB. I was looking at similar stats yesterday: stats.nba.com/players/playtype-post-up/?sort=PPP&dir=1In the entire NBA, there are only 15 guys who score over 1.00 PPP on post ups. In contrast, go to that page and flip through the different playtypes. You'll see that many, many more guys are way more efficient on isolations, pick and rolls, etc. Posting up works for a small set of really good high-level guys, but in general, is low efficiency compared to a lot of other plays.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 20, 2019 19:22:59 GMT -5
I have no issue with Yurt posting up. Anyone else, there are better options. I think we can all agree on that.
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hoyarooter
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Post by hoyarooter on Nov 20, 2019 20:00:53 GMT -5
I have no issue with Yurt posting up. Anyone else, there are better options. I think we can all agree on that. I want to see Perry McDonald posting up. That never got old.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 20, 2019 21:40:59 GMT -5
Funny that you posted that EtomicB. I was looking at similar stats yesterday: stats.nba.com/players/playtype-post-up/?sort=PPP&dir=1In the entire NBA, there are only 15 guys who score over 1.00 PPP on post ups. In contrast, go to that page and flip through the different playtypes. You'll see that many, many more guys are way more efficient on isolations, pick and rolls, etc. Posting up works for a small set of really good high-level guys, but in general, is low efficiency compared to a lot of other plays. I wonder how much that has to do with how the NBA vs. College game is reffed though? You can beat up people in the post in the NBA. You can't even put an arm bar on a kid in the college game anymore. Bigs go to the line on post ups a heck of a lot more in college than the NBA. I feel like fouls are only called on drives in the NBA.
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