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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 17, 2019 23:14:39 GMT -5
Stop talking about the tournament in November. Jesus you people are insane. Oh. Okay.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 17, 2019 23:19:49 GMT -5
All I’m saying is wait and see what we have before trying to build our resume. Way too many what ifs both on our side and all of our opponents sides to have any idea what will get us there. Try to relax and take November basketball for what is: meaningless.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 17, 2019 23:47:56 GMT -5
All I’m saying is wait and see what we have before trying to build our resume. Way too many what ifs both on our side and all of our opponents sides to have any idea what will get us there. Try to relax and take November basketball for what is: meaningless. Yes agree our OOC schedule has no bearing on the committee and our ability to make the tournament....heck who cares if we win any of them? Their pointless. Please make sure you pass that on to Pat and the team that these games mean nothing... I guarantee we if we are on the bubble come March that potential wins against Texas, California, Duke, etc - go a long way. If you want to tell me there is a lot of basketball to play and the team we are now won't be the same team hopefully we see come Feb/March. I will agree w that. To say these games mean nothing to the team for chemistry, for resume building wins and for confidence moving forward is simply inaccurate...
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Post by sleepy on Nov 18, 2019 0:01:05 GMT -5
All I’m saying is wait and see what we have before trying to build our resume. Way too many what ifs both on our side and all of our opponents sides to have any idea what will get us there. Try to relax and take November basketball for what is: meaningless. Yes agree our OOC schedule has no bearing on the committee and our ability to make the tournament....heck who cares if we win any of them? Their pointless. Please make sure you pass that on to Pat and the team that these games mean nothing... I guarantee we if we are on the bubble come March that potential wins against Texas, California, Duke, etc - go a long way. If you want to tell me there is a lot of basketball to play and the team we are now won't be the same team hopefully we see come Feb/March. I will agree w that. To say these games mean nothing to the team for chemistry, for resume building wins and for confidence moving forward is simply inaccurate... Of for Godsake. What I meant was mid-November games are meaningless in terms of being any indication of how good a team will be there months from now. Avoiding bad losses is all that really matters, and while picking up resume wins would be nice, it’s too early to say which games those would be yet. All in all, trying to figure out what we need to do in mid-November to build our tournament resume is a fools errand and all the hand wringing on this board about games played before December is bizarre. .
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 18, 2019 0:15:41 GMT -5
Yes agree our OOC schedule has no bearing on the committee and our ability to make the tournament....heck who cares if we win any of them? Their pointless. Please make sure you pass that on to Pat and the team that these games mean nothing... I guarantee we if we are on the bubble come March that potential wins against Texas, California, Duke, etc - go a long way. If you want to tell me there is a lot of basketball to play and the team we are now won't be the same team hopefully we see come Feb/March. I will agree w that. To say these games mean nothing to the team for chemistry, for resume building wins and for confidence moving forward is simply inaccurate... Of for Godsake. What I meant was mid-November games are meaningless in terms of being any indication of how good a team will be there months from now. Avoiding bad losses is all that really matters, and while picking up resume wins would be nice, it’s too early to say which games those would be yet. All in all, trying to figure out what we need to do in mid-November to build our tournament resume is a fools errand and all the hand wringing on this board about games played before December is bizarre. . If we won’t know what a good win will be yet, how will we know what a bad loss is now?
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Post by BeantownHoya on Nov 18, 2019 6:45:06 GMT -5
Yes agree our OOC schedule has no bearing on the committee and our ability to make the tournament....heck who cares if we win any of them? Their pointless. Please make sure you pass that on to Pat and the team that these games mean nothing... I guarantee we if we are on the bubble come March that potential wins against Texas, California, Duke, etc - go a long way. If you want to tell me there is a lot of basketball to play and the team we are now won't be the same team hopefully we see come Feb/March. I will agree w that. To say these games mean nothing to the team for chemistry, for resume building wins and for confidence moving forward is simply inaccurate... Of for Godsake. What I meant was mid-November games are meaningless in terms of being any indication of how good a team will be there months from now. Avoiding bad losses is all that really matters, and while picking up resume wins would be nice, it’s too early to say which games those would be yet. All in all, trying to figure out what we need to do in mid-November to build our tournament resume is a fools errand and all the hand wringing on this board about games played before December is bizarre. . I see so I should not worry about our game November 30 against UNCG but should worry about our game Dec 4th against SMU? I guess we will have certainly learned a lot more at that point about both thos teams with those extra 96 hours...
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Post by madgesiq92 on Nov 18, 2019 6:54:04 GMT -5
!!! Again, I just do not understand the hatred for Blair. No one “hates” the kid, but by EVERY measurable statistical metric he is killing us when he is on the court this year. And thank goodness that Patrick abandoned the absurd “hockey shifts” that you are a proponent of in the second half or we would be 2-2 right now.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Nov 18, 2019 6:57:49 GMT -5
Did not like the second half rotation, but the final result was good. Keep working, keep tinkering, and keep fighting. Of course you didn’t, you would have preferred a rotation that featured 3 shifts of players, including team managers pressing 94 feet for 20 minutes, resulting in a double digit loss to a mid major because you think playing with energy is more important than playing well.
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Post by rhw485 on Nov 18, 2019 7:28:24 GMT -5
Was in a dark place at halftime but glad to see the boys rally and start to look like the team we hoped for: • The first half was really just a continuation of the first three games, with no identifiable changes from Ewing. The bench lineup killed momentum, the halfcourt offense was dependent on Yurt7 posts, and Georgia St did a good job doubling Akinjo on pick n rolls. They even out-rebounded us in first half. If anyone was “cut” from the rotation in the 1st half it was Alexander and it made very little sense. • It basically looked like they didn’t want to pass to each other. And when you’re worried the ball isn’t going to get back to you, you make bad decisions. We also might take the most pull up 2s off the dribble of any team I’ve seen. Most difficult / lowest pct shot in basketball.
• Ewing made significant changes in the 2nd half, huge amount of progress from him
• LeBlanc subbed in at the 15 min mark and didn’t come out the rest of the game. Playing your best players leads to good results
• For the few possessions Akinjo was out, Mac was in. That’s progress for me
• The halfcourt offense started with the bigs drawn out at the elbows and allowed our perimeter guys to get a full head of steam with less traffic at the rim. A few nice possessions w dribble hand offs was a new wrinkle that let the guards head downhill and draw fouls
• I liked the Pickett / LeBlanc 4/5. We’re going to have to try and steal a few mins a game w that lineup
• The rotation is starting to form. Basically 6 “starters” (Akinjo, Mac, Mosely, Pickett, LeBlanc, Yurt7) w Allen playing more when we want to go 3 guards and Alexander more when we want to stay w big lineups. A few minutes for Wahab and you’re 9 deep. Gardner and Blair the casualties in this scenario at least until we get through the gauntlet here
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 7:59:27 GMT -5
You folks are watching different games than I am when you see the bench kill momentum. I see our depth wearing down teams. And I see the starters making plenty of mistakes in their own right.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 8:01:46 GMT -5
All I’m saying is wait and see what we have before trying to build our resume. Way too many what ifs both on our side and all of our opponents sides to have any idea what will get us there. Try to relax and take November basketball for what is: meaningless. Yes agree our OOC schedule has no bearing on the committee and our ability to make the tournament....heck who cares if we win any of them? Their pointless. Please make sure you pass that on to Pat and the team that these games mean nothing... I guarantee we if we are on the bubble come March that potential wins against Texas, California, Duke, etc - go a long way. If you want to tell me there is a lot of basketball to play and the team we are now won't be the same team hopefully we see come Feb/March. I will agree w that. To say these games mean nothing to the team for chemistry, for resume building wins and for confidence moving forward is simply inaccurate... Chemistry, confidence, and resume building are three different things...give me a focus on the first two for now.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 8:02:50 GMT -5
!!! Again, I just do not understand the hatred for Blair. No one “hates” the kid, but by EVERY measurable statistical metric he is killing us when he is on the court this year. And thank goodness that Patrick abandoned the absurd “hockey shifts” that you are a proponent of in the second half or we would be 2-2 right now. Patrick never has come close to the type of substitutions I am advocating, by around minus 20-30 substitutions per game.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 8:03:47 GMT -5
Did not like the second half rotation, but the final result was good. Keep working, keep tinkering, and keep fighting. Of course you didn’t, you would have preferred a rotation that featured 3 shifts of players, including team managers pressing 94 feet for 20 minutes, resulting in a double digit loss to a mid major because you think playing with energy is more important than playing well. I think you work the system and give it a few games to work itself out, and I believe that we could have won the game last night in any number of ways.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 18, 2019 8:09:46 GMT -5
You folks are watching different games than I am when you see the bench kill momentum. I see our depth wearing down teams. And I see the starters making plenty of mistakes in their own right. I see all of the above
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 8:16:43 GMT -5
Fair enough!
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Post by rhw485 on Nov 18, 2019 8:28:43 GMT -5
I agree our starters haven't been perfect but we have consistent scoreless droughts when we have none of Akinjo, Mac, or Yurt7 on the court. Akinjo hit free throws at the 12:56 mark, our next points were Yurt7 at the 8:21 mark. Simply can't afford those streaks against better competition. One of them needs to be an anchor otherwise the offense completely bogs down.
I'm not arguing against using the bench. It just needs to be done in a way where there's an offensive threat who can create his own shot on the court at all times.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 18, 2019 8:33:49 GMT -5
Did not like the second half rotation, but the final result was good. Keep working, keep tinkering, and keep fighting. Of course you didn’t, you would have preferred a rotation that featured 3 shifts of players, including team managers pressing 94 feet for 20 minutes, resulting in a double digit loss to a mid major because you think playing with energy is more important than playing well. I know right. Let’s play the team manager for 6 minutes and “bring the chaos.” Yeah, chaos is right. 4ever is the Joe Touomou of this board. Slap the floor, 4ever! Slap it!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 8:40:07 GMT -5
Of course you didn’t, you would have preferred a rotation that featured 3 shifts of players, including team managers pressing 94 feet for 20 minutes, resulting in a double digit loss to a mid major because you think playing with energy is more important than playing well. I know right. Let’s play the team manager for 6 minutes and “bring the chaos.” Yeah, chaos is right. 4ever is the Joe Touomou of this board. Slap the floor, 4ever! Slap it! More like Perry McDonald, Don Reid, and Jabril Trawick combined...we need those types of attitudes on this team.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 18, 2019 8:53:55 GMT -5
Of for Godsake. What I meant was mid-November games are meaningless in terms of being any indication of how good a team will be there months from now. Avoiding bad losses is all that really matters, and while picking up resume wins would be nice, it’s too early to say which games those would be yet. All in all, trying to figure out what we need to do in mid-November to build our tournament resume is a fools errand and all the hand wringing on this board about games played before December is bizarre. . I see so I should not worry about our game November 30 against UNCG but should worry about our game Dec 4th against SMU? I guess we will have certainly learned a lot more at that point about both thos teams with those extra 96 hours... No, not what I am saying at all, not even close. You are trying to be dense now.
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Post by practice on Nov 18, 2019 9:29:48 GMT -5
You folks are watching different games than I am when you see the bench kill momentum. I see our depth wearing down teams. And I see the starters making plenty of mistakes in their own right. Wow ... have to strongly disagree here. The McClung, Akinjo, Pickett, LeBlanc, Mosely, Yurt7 grouping is SO much stronger than the rest of the team. Foul trouble, injuries and fatigue notwithstanding, the rotation needs to be tightened for this team to have great success. Against most teams, I think we can get away with Pickett/LeBlanc combining for the 4/5 position as we did in this game. I love Wahab's potential and athleticism but his shooting touch leaves a lot to be desired. Alexander looks the part but his defense is suspect. I suppose the statistics will prove me wrong, but Allen doesn't look to my untrained eye to be an all-world defender. Gardner is raw and should be relegated to garbage time. Blair has one job and so far he's been successful one out ten attempts. A win against Texas on a neutral court will pay big dividends in March ... not a must win but a great to have. Hopefully the lesson of the second half -- play the best players -- will be heeded.
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