EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 18, 2019 15:14:27 GMT -5
I think Blair can become a contributor but I agree with Gardner & Wahab playing very little this season... Blair needs to make 3's to justify playing time. Otherwise he becomes the current Reggie Cameron. I think Wahab needs to get some playing time. If the Hoyas are going to press as often as they have lately they are are going to tire Yurt out. I realize they can play LeBlanc for some minutes at the 5 in a smaller lineup, but I think Wahab adds some value as a rebounder and rim protector for 8-12 minutes a game. I just don't think they need to run offense to get him the ball in the post at this point fun his career. I think Gardner is going to see inconsistent minutes depending on how the game is unfolding. He does add something as a rebounder and plays with great energy. If the game turns into a real transition game he could help, less so in the half court at this point. I agree about Blair, I'm just willing to give him some more time to pull out of his slump... Wahab's defense isn't enough to offset his offense right now, I wouldn't give him more than 5-8 mpg under normal circumstances... I'm a Gardner fan but I'd give most of his time to Alexander who's very similar athletically but a much much better shooter...
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 18, 2019 15:15:12 GMT -5
We took 3 bigs, so we need to develop one of them through live action. Yurtseven will be gone after this season, then what? I'd worry about that next October...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2019 15:20:47 GMT -5
We took 3 bigs, so we need to develop one of them through live action. Yurtseven will be gone after this season, then what? I'd worry about that next October... No matter what we do, unless we get a 2020 freshman big who is highly ranked, we aren't going to have an experienced big man next fall without Yurtseven coming back (which I don't think is impossible, no inside information, just my own speculation). So, I really don't think it matters. Play the best players now, and worry about next year in April.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 15:45:17 GMT -5
More like Perry McDonald, Don Reid, and Jabril Trawick combined...we need those types of attitudes on this team. If those three guys were the 9th 10th and 11th players on our current team, I would agree in using that depth. They are not. Well, the reference was to ME instead of any player, so...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 15:46:28 GMT -5
Limit the rotation and this team is going to be just fine- I truly believe it's that simple. That doesn't mask the lack of offensive sets and putrid team defense, but Akinjo, Mac, LeBlanc, Pickett, Yurt, Mosley, Alexander and Allen will give the Hoyas a chance to compete, talent wise, in every BE matchup. Wahab should play only when absolutely necessary. Likewise with Gardner. Blair shouldn't be playing, period.It's up to Pat and the staff to recognize the obvious. Blair is struggling on offense but I noticed improved defense. While he does not have the handle of McClung his first two years shooting from deep (32.2%, 34.4%) were better than McClung. Both these kids need to be able to play their way out of shooting slumps. McClung may have accomplished that last night. Besides, in the absence of Govan and Malinowski this team is woeful from deep. Hopefully if the guards look to distribute more to the wings, Alexander and Pickett will contribute. Right now I see no reason not to give Blair some run to see if the shooting slump ends. Right- we need a sample size of 40-50 threes, rather then 10.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 18, 2019 15:51:48 GMT -5
I'd worry about that next October... No matter what we do, unless we get a 2020 freshman big who is highly ranked, we aren't going to have an experienced big man next fall without Yurtseven coming back (which I don't think is impossible, no inside information, just my own speculation). So, I really don't think it matters. Play the best players now, and worry about next year in April. A highly ranked 2020 freshman is not going to have experience either😉. Wahab is going to play. We can't get by against good big men with Josh and maybe Jamarko as backups. Q will also get the ball on offense, but that should become more limited unless he shows improvement before the conference season.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 18, 2019 15:51:54 GMT -5
Blair needs to make 3's to justify playing time. Otherwise he becomes the current Reggie Cameron. I think Wahab needs to get some playing time. If the Hoyas are going to press as often as they have lately they are are going to tire Yurt out. I realize they can play LeBlanc for some minutes at the 5 in a smaller lineup, but I think Wahab adds some value as a rebounder and rim protector for 8-12 minutes a game. I just don't think they need to run offense to get him the ball in the post at this point fun his career. I think Gardner is going to see inconsistent minutes depending on how the game is unfolding. He does add something as a rebounder and plays with great energy. If the game turns into a real transition game he could help, less so in the half court at this point. I agree about Blair, I'm just willing to give him some more time to pull out of his slump... Wahab's defense isn't enough to offset his offense right now, I wouldn't give him more than 5-8 mpg under normal circumstances... I'm a Gardner fan but I'd give most of his time to Alexander who's very similar athletically but a much much better shooter... I completely agree that Alexander should be playing in front of Gardner at this point. I would like to see Alexander get more minutes than he has so far. I think he adds a lot of this team.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 18, 2019 16:18:41 GMT -5
No matter what we do, unless we get a 2020 freshman big who is highly ranked, we aren't going to have an experienced big man next fall without Yurtseven coming back (which I don't think is impossible, no inside information, just my own speculation). So, I really don't think it matters. Play the best players now, and worry about next year in April. A highly ranked 2020 freshman is not going to have experience either😉. Wahab is going to play. We can't get by against good big men with Josh and maybe Jamarko as backups. Q will also get the ball on offense, but that should become more limited unless he shows improvement before the conference season. Which set of bigs in the conference are you worried about Frazier?
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 18, 2019 16:31:44 GMT -5
I agree about Blair, I'm just willing to give him some more time to pull out of his slump... Wahab's defense isn't enough to offset his offense right now, I wouldn't give him more than 5-8 mpg under normal circumstances... I'm a Gardner fan but I'd give most of his time to Alexander who's very similar athletically but a much much better shooter... I completely agree that Alexander should be playing in front of Gardner at this point. I would like to see Alexander get more minutes than he has so far. I think he adds a lot of this team. Regarding Alexander, I am not sure the analytics agree with you. I think Alexander shows promise, but I don't think he is there yet.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 18, 2019 16:31:46 GMT -5
I hate generalizing, but I really think HoyaTalk has a tendency to overestimate the role of the big man in college basketball in 2019. Many teams have no true center whatsoever, and even fewer that do have tall big men are the types who are constantly battling in the paint and playing a post up game. The fears about defending these guys are overrated.
At most, all a great big guy can do against us from the paint is score 2 points. That's much less important than constantly leaving guys open for three point shots.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 18, 2019 16:40:46 GMT -5
Well, we do not have to follow that trend. Good centers who can play are as valuable as they make themselves. Having quality big men ought to be a Hoya niche. To abandon that would be insane IMHO.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 18, 2019 16:45:52 GMT -5
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 18, 2019 17:03:45 GMT -5
I hate generalizing, but I really think HoyaTalk has a tendency to overestimate the role of the big man in college basketball in 2019. Many teams have no true center whatsoever, and even fewer that do have tall big men are the types who are constantly battling in the paint and playing a post up game. The fears about defending these guys are overrated. At most, all a great big guy can do against us from the paint is score 2 points. That's much less important than constantly leaving guys open for three point shots. Bingo! Rota should be Yurt/Wahab/SmallBall depending on opponent, score, foul trouble, etc. The fact that we recruited three centers is actually a problem. Hopefully we process one, because that schollie would absolutely be better used elsewhere. The goal should be one per class max unless you get a superstar. Hate to break it to PE and Co., but you don't play through your post in 2019 unless you want to get beat. Focal point is arc and getting to the line, not pounding the paint for contested 2s by bigs requiring entry passes and tough catch-collect-deliver in traffic. That's just not efficient bball in 2019. Not my opinion or even my preference, just simple analytics.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Nov 18, 2019 17:04:36 GMT -5
It doesn't look like three point shooting is a recruiting focus of Georgetown under Ewing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 18, 2019 17:22:12 GMT -5
It will be, eventually. 😉
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:00:24 GMT -5
I know we want everything right now. It's been a long time since we've been really relevant, but I don't know how you can evaluate what a *new player can give you over the course of a 30 game 4 month season after 2 weeks and 4 games. Some of these guys are just settling in and adjusting to the speed and size of the college game. You're probably not seeing a true representation of what kind of player they are.
It took McClung quite a few games last year to turn it around. If coach gave up on him after 2 weeks it would have been a mistake.
After 5 games (2 weeks) he was 15-44 from the field. 1-17 from 3, and averaging 6ppg.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 18, 2019 19:52:47 GMT -5
I know we want everything right now. It's been a long time since we've been really relevant, but I don't know how you can evaluate what a *new player can give you over the course of a 30 game 4 month season after 2 weeks and 4 games. Some of these guys are just settling in and adjusting to the speed and size of the college game. You're probably not seeing a true representation of what kind of player they are. It took McClung quite a few games last year to turn it around. If coach gave up on him after 2 weeks it would have been a mistake. After 5 games (2 weeks) he was 15-44 from the field. 1-17 from 3, and averaging 6ppg. Please take your rational opinions and take them somewhere they belong, far away from Hoyatalk.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 18, 2019 20:06:44 GMT -5
I know we want everything right now. It's been a long time since we've been really relevant, but I don't know how you can evaluate what a *new player can give you over the course of a 30 game 4 month season after 2 weeks and 4 games. Some of these guys are just settling in and adjusting to the speed and size of the college game. You're probably not seeing a true representation of what kind of player they are. It took McClung quite a few games last year to turn it around. If coach gave up on him after 2 weeks it would have been a mistake. After 5 games (2 weeks) he was 15-44 from the field. 1-17 from 3, and averaging 6ppg. The key difference in my view is that the staff had very limited options last season backcourt wise so Mac & others were always going to get the extra leeway. Plus PE was in his 2nd year & expectations were still low... This season is different in that the team appears to have more options & flexibility on the team and the expectations are higher.. Chances are high that neither Wahab or Gardner will be big parts of the rotation this season so I'd go with the most productive players by giving most of their time to LeBlanc & Alexander...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 18, 2019 20:31:17 GMT -5
A highly ranked 2020 freshman is not going to have experience either😉. Wahab is going to play. We can't get by against good big men with Josh and maybe Jamarko as backups. Q will also get the ball on offense, but that should become more limited unless he shows improvement before the conference season. Which set of bigs in the conference are you worried about Frazier? No set of bigs. But you still need a backup big in this conference. Getting experience in the OOC is critical. Now if Q shows no improvement over the next 6 weeks, maybe his minutes are more limited come January. But this is the time to find out - even against Texas, Duke/Cal, etc.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 18, 2019 21:52:14 GMT -5
I hate generalizing, but I really think HoyaTalk has a tendency to overestimate the role of the big man in college basketball in 2019. Many teams have no true center whatsoever, and even fewer that do have tall big men are the types who are constantly battling in the paint and playing a post up game. The fears about defending these guys are overrated. At most, all a great big guy can do against us from the paint is score 2 points. That's much less important than constantly leaving guys open for three point shots. Incorrect. A dominate big man can take you far and threaten teams that are supposedly untouchable at the NCAA level.
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