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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2019 13:29:13 GMT -5
You said.... ‘It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up.‘ If you went back and analyzed what happened against PSU, you would see they started losing the game early due to not matching PSU’s intensity. It had nothing to do with 3 guards or Leblanc. Go back and watch the 1st 5 minutes of the game again. Once again that's your own narrative. I never said, "The team came out flat because they are short and upset that Leblanc didn’t start" so stop putting words in my mouth.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 16, 2019 13:29:34 GMT -5
Mosely started and played 23 minutes. He put up one shot and missed it. While I like him, let’s not get carried away with the notion that he should start. Can’t play 4 on 5 on offense. This is what allows teams to double Akinjo or Yurt7.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 13:44:25 GMT -5
You said.... ‘It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up.‘ If you went back and analyzed what happened against PSU, you would see they started losing the game early due to not matching PSU’s intensity. It had nothing to do with 3 guards or Leblanc. Go back and watch the 1st 5 minutes of the game again. Once again that's your own narrative. I never said, "The team came out flat because they are short and upset that Leblanc didn’t start" so stop putting words in my mouth. In my opinion, the problem Thursday was intensity. You think it was line-up. There was nothing about that game that suggests to me substituting Leblanc for Mosely changes the intensity in this game last Thursday. I would encourage you to watch the first 5 minutes of the game again. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion...no matter how ineffective it might be.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 16, 2019 14:28:05 GMT -5
Once again that's your own narrative. I never said, "The team came out flat because they are short and upset that Leblanc didn’t start" so stop putting words in my mouth. In my opinion, the problem Thursday was intensity. You think it was line-up. There was nothing about that game that suggests to me substituting Leblanc for Mosely changes the intensity in this game last Thursday. I would encourage you to watch the first 5 minutes of the game again. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion...no matter how ineffective it might be. Could it be that you are both correct? Very possible that our intensity level would have been higher with Josh.
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Post by SirSaxa on Nov 16, 2019 14:35:37 GMT -5
Intensity.
Penn State came out with serious intensity, smashed our guys in the mouth, and never looked back. Our guys were, once again, not ready to start the game. Maybe they thought it would be an easy win? True, we didn't have the backing of an excited base, but neither did PSU. We played sloppy. 7 turnovers in the first few minutes? Lost our poise. Did not put someone on ... Jones? The kid who hit 4/5 threes to start the game?
In my view, the coaching staff did not have the team prepared, emotionally or strategically at the start. And... they failed to correct the situation for the rest of the first half.
Second half, we got it going in the first couple of minutes. But were unable to maintain that edge after a tough call and a renewed push from State.
This was an entire team collapse - including the coaching staff. Patrick Ewing can say "They didn't wake up" all he wants. To me that sounds like absolving himself of that home obliteration.
Things have to change. Coach and staff can't just look at the kids and say "Hey, wasn't our fault". And the team? They have to look themselves and one another in the eye and challenge themselves. If they want to have a successful season, they need to ramp up the intensity -- right away -- while still achieving and maintaining their poise.
Long way to go... but we saw these kids last year and they looked a LOT better.
Finally, yes, I would put LeBlanc back in the starting lineup right now. I am hoping to see a much different team tomorrow v. Georgia State and again in NYC at MSG.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 16, 2019 15:05:23 GMT -5
We are never going to win games if we can’t get and make three point shots. It’s just simple math and the modern pro and college game. Feeding Yurt7 down low is great, but a smooth shooting mid-major would beat us. I would add, defending the three on the other end.
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Post by mdtd on Nov 16, 2019 15:09:29 GMT -5
The half-court offense stunk too. I'm really worried about that. With as much talent as this team has offensively, there should be more then give it to Yurt and hope. Run better sets to get plays open. The play that I see is a basic off-ball screen from the big guys for the guards to pop out and feed him. That's it. A simple, double off-ball screen. there needs to be much more. Driving lanes are not there, no flow and nothing for Akinjo, Mac, Jamorko, Blair or any guard. If you want them to get going, run a play for them. Let the game come to them. Screens for the guards, freedom, flowing offense getting everyone involved, opens up and shows how deep this team really is. Have plays to use everybody. If you preach the depth on this team, let them all play and have offensive plays.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 16, 2019 15:14:48 GMT -5
Agree, the offense looked extremely stagnant. Just no fluidity.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 16, 2019 15:52:04 GMT -5
In his postgame press comments, Ewing said the first thing they were going to do was watch the PSU game film. It should be painfully obvious how much overhelp and loss of wing shooters was happening. I would expect a good coaching staff to be able to correct that by Sunday night. We shall see.
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Post by smokeyjack on Nov 16, 2019 16:59:03 GMT -5
Mac is getting hammered on the board. If there was one player who was as soft as charmin in my re-watch so far, it was Yurtseven. Sure his box score looks better than the rest, but he was abused. Yurt had an extremely unusual game - he alternated between atrocious and outstanding on both ends. He would fail to box out on one possession and then on the next recover very quickly from an arc hedge. On one possession, he decides to dribble it all the way up the floor (leading to the predictable slop TO), and on the next he exploded for a PnR jam. On one possession he missed multiple point blank chippies, and on the next he would flip in a challenging baseline jumper. Certain I have never screamed that much at a guy with his final line - he was really horrible....quite frequently.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2019 17:49:58 GMT -5
Mac is getting hammered on the board. If there was one player who was as soft as charmin in my re-watch so far, it was Yurtseven. Sure his box score looks better than the rest, but he was abused. Yurt had an extremely unusual game - he alternated between atrocious and outstanding on both ends. He would fail to box out on one possession and then on the next recover very quickly from an arc hedge. On one possession, he decides to dribble it all the way up the floor (leading to the predictable slop TO), and on the next he exploded for a PnR jam. On one possession he missed multiple point blank chippies, and on the next he would flip in a challenging baseline jumper. Certain I have never screamed that much at a guy with his final line - he was really horrible....quite frequently. Essentially the first unit is playing with 3 small guards and a small forward/outside shooter and one big. Under those circumstance the paint is overrun by the opposing bigs.
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Post by trillesthoya on Nov 16, 2019 18:15:57 GMT -5
Thread about Thursday night's game.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Nov 16, 2019 18:19:15 GMT -5
I’m sure it’s a disciplinary issue and not performance based. But he basically lost his starting job and has to reearn Ewing’s trust on the discipline. But we can’t play 3 sub 6-2 guards. No reason to make ourselves small, especially when akinjo and Mac aren’t good defenders. Play Galen or Myron as the 3rd guy and then you have length, rebounding and more firepower I don't think guard height had any influence on what happened on Thursday. More intensity and more leadership and it is a different game. The idea that we are playing poorly primarily because of intangibles like intensity, leadership and toughness is absolutely preposterous. Fix the measurables first.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2019 18:21:35 GMT -5
Yurt had an extremely unusual game - he alternated between atrocious and outstanding on both ends. He would fail to box out on one possession and then on the next recover very quickly from an arc hedge. On one possession, he decides to dribble it all the way up the floor (leading to the predictable slop TO), and on the next he exploded for a PnR jam. On one possession he missed multiple point blank chippies, and on the next he would flip in a challenging baseline jumper. Certain I have never screamed that much at a guy with his final line - he was really horrible....quite frequently. Essentially the first unit is playing with 3 small guards and a small forward/outside shooter and one big. Under those circumstance the paint is overrun by the opposing bigs. Penn State started 3 guards in Dread, Wheeler & Jones plus Stevens who isn't a traditional big at all... The same goes for MSM & UCA line-ups... I'd like to see Josh start too but your narrative above about the paint being "overrun with bigs" because of the Gtown starters is kinda offbase in my view...
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2019 18:40:07 GMT -5
Essentially the first unit is playing with 3 small guards and a small forward/outside shooter and one big. Under those circumstance the paint is overrun by the opposing bigs. Penn State started 3 guards in Dread, Wheeler & Jones plus Stevens who isn't a traditional big at all... The same goes for MSM & UCA line-ups... I'd like to see Josh start too but your narrative above about the paint being "overrun with bigs" because of the Gtown starters is kinda offbase in my view... You really think this was some kind of tactical move to take out one of our best players/power forward in LeBlanc and replace him with a backup combo guard who has never shown any offensive firepower in order to "matchup" with the opponent's personnel?
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2019 18:45:08 GMT -5
Penn State started 3 guards in Dread, Wheeler & Jones plus Stevens who isn't a traditional big at all... The same goes for MSM & UCA line-ups... I'd like to see Josh start too but your narrative above about the paint being "overrun with bigs" because of the Gtown starters is kinda offbase in my view... You really think this was some kind of tactical move to take out one of our best players/power forward in LeBlanc and replace him with a backup combo guard who has never shown any offensive firepower in order to "matchup" with the opponent's personnel? Nope, not at all... As I stated in my post, I just don't agree with your thought that starting 3 guards has caused the paint to be "overrun" with opposing bigs...
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 16, 2019 21:11:20 GMT -5
Ben Standig on the Kente Korner podcast talked about the weak fan support maybe affecting the energy at the start of the game. Not having fans certainly doesn't help the situation. That's reaching, blaming the fans and message board people. It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up. The crowd may have been sparse at the beginning of the game, it grew substantially and was respectable in my estimation. It was surprising to see so many people in the center...the temperature was pretty chilly in the center.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 16, 2019 21:17:58 GMT -5
I don't think guard height had any influence on what happened on Thursday. More intensity and more leadership and it is a different game. The idea that we are playing poorly primarily because of intangibles like intensity, leadership and toughness is absolutely preposterous. Fix the measurables first. I think you are wrong, all of those things impact the game and level of play. Add to that the inability to take and make good shots! Penn State was all over our guys making shots and taking care of the ball when we were not.
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Nov 16, 2019 21:21:18 GMT -5
Thread about Thursday night's game. In my opinion this shot was the least of the issues. It's a 3 pointer coming off a screen from straight on that he could have squared up better. The nonsensical drives to the basket for a circus shot while ignoring open guys on the perimeter or the careless ball handling after forcing a turnover would have been much better examples of being undisciplined.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 16, 2019 21:23:37 GMT -5
I agree with your assessments but you cant deny that typically Josh brings a lot of energy to the table. I don’t dispute that all, but I don’t think,Josh in the starting line-up changes anything about how the game starts on Thursday. I don’t think Jagan was anywhere near the ball the 1st 5 minutes. Josh doesn’t stop Jones 5’ behind the line. Someone said, "If you went back and analyzed what happened against PSU, you would see they started losing the game early due to not matching PSU’s intensity." ....Add to that the steals by Penn State and the blocked shots...all if that happened early and Josh was on the bench, Mac couldn't get a shot. Akinjo eventually started to taking on a scoring thrust. They (Penn State) were fired up!
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