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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 15, 2019 9:46:19 GMT -5
So that was a rough game all around. Pretty much everybody was terrible, and I thought the coaching staff did a terrible job. A few thoughts: (1) LeBlanc needs to start. I said this before the game. No, it likely would not have saved us from losing this game (it actually was one of LeBlanc's worst games as a Hoya), but I think it's basic strategy that you need to start your best players, particularly arguably your best defensive player on a squad that cannot play defense. Mentally, I am sure not starting isn't helping him either. (2) Offensive scheme. I have no idea what we are doing on offense, other than running the ball up fast and chucking it. What scheme is Ewing running? "Running" is not a strategy, it's a tempo. What are we doing to get open looks? Are we looking to take threes? All of this is unclear to me. Omer Yurtseven shot 50% on threes in 2017. Why are we 3 games in, and he still hasn't taken one? I don't expect Yurtseven to be super high volume on threes, but he should be taking one here and there unless his skills have evaporated. (3) Defense. I am not sure what to say here that hasn't been said. It's just awful, and I am not confident Ewing knows how to coach a good defensive team. At times, the press worked, at others Penn State easily broke it. I am not a huge fan of a press in 2019, but I'll admit that I had the thought that our half-court defense is so bad, that maybe it makes our press look better? (4) We didn't take a timeout until 5 minutes into the game, when things were already way off the rails. Again, I don't think this would have saved us from losing, but it's game management that I simply do not understand. We got totally torched on defense, yet no timeout to get in LeBlanc and/or Allen? (5) McClung was absolutely awful on both ends. If he doesn't step it up, he's going to be nailed to the bench. (6) The Fast Pace is Not Effective. We had 12 turnovers in the first 15 minutes, I believe. I know everyone loves to run and loves the fast tempo, but it really seems like we just run it up haphazardly, oftentimes turn it over, and when we are lucky enough to bring it up effectively, we just chuck it up for a quick shot. I am totally fine playing a fast tempo (or slow tempo) if it is effective. This is not effective. (7) Lack of cohesion. I just do not see any coherent organized scheme on either offense or defense. I still think that long-term the best outcome is for Ewing to have success at Georgetown and he clearly puts a ton of time into his job, recruiting, etc., but my worry is that he's now entering his third year, has all of his own guys except for Mosely, and we still aren't seeing a cohesive strategy or plan on defense or offense. Time to step it up. Disagree with all points save for Mac was not good and lack of cohesion. And maybe starting Josh, although I am not so worried about who starts and perhaps there is a lesson still being disseminated. But Josh should play a lot and perhaps earned some time with his decent play last night. I would be okay if we did not take a timeout the rest of the season, and for the love of mercy, NEVER while the other team is on a run!!!
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 15, 2019 9:50:18 GMT -5
I believe Gardner earned his minutes. He is all over and cautious.
Coach was continuously yelling at Alexander to find his place on defense.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Nov 15, 2019 10:00:28 GMT -5
Gardner needs minutes and so does Josh. The ballhandling & energy last night were horrific. The only excuse I can find is the arena was frigid and Cap One needs to turn up the heat. It wasn't even comfortable sitting in the 100's without a coat. Our offense seems to be little more than ball screen or get it down low to Yurt. There has to be more creativity than that and frankly I put that on coach. The mass subs and in particular that 2nd unit is helpless. Allen & Blair aren't going to create shots in that unit (blair needs it created for him) and Wahab shouldn't have offense run through him at this stage. That leaves Josh & Alexander and those two also aren't creating shots. The 2nd unit is a mess and the line-up changes to spur some offense need to be revisited.
Frankly I'ld put in Josh with the first unit and put Mac on the 2nd unit. I would probably pull Blair for now accept against zone teams. I might even put Jamarko on the 2nd unit as him & Mac I trust their offense more than anyone on the 2nd. If you are running the offense through Yurt in the 1st unit, what's the point of the other offense out there. Coach has got to do some soul searching as the talent is there.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Nov 15, 2019 10:05:23 GMT -5
So that was a rough game all around. Pretty much everybody was terrible, and I thought the coaching staff did a terrible job. A few thoughts: (1) LeBlanc needs to start. I said this before the game. No, it likely would not have saved us from losing this game (it actually was one of LeBlanc's worst games as a Hoya), but I think it's basic strategy that you need to start your best players, particularly arguably your best defensive player on a squad that cannot play defense. Mentally, I am sure not starting isn't helping him either. (2) Offensive scheme. I have no idea what we are doing on offense, other than running the ball up fast and chucking it. What scheme is Ewing running? "Running" is not a strategy, it's a tempo. What are we doing to get open looks? Are we looking to take threes? All of this is unclear to me. Omer Yurtseven shot 50% on threes in 2017. Why are we 3 games in, and he still hasn't taken one? I don't expect Yurtseven to be super high volume on threes, but he should be taking one here and there unless his skills have evaporated. (3) Defense. I am not sure what to say here that hasn't been said. It's just awful, and I am not confident Ewing knows how to coach a good defensive team. At times, the press worked, at others Penn State easily broke it. I am not a huge fan of a press in 2019, but I'll admit that I had the thought that our half-court defense is so bad, that maybe it makes our press look better? (4) We didn't take a timeout until 5 minutes into the game, when things were already way off the rails. Again, I don't think this would have saved us from losing, but it's game management that I simply do not understand. We got totally torched on defense, yet no timeout to get in LeBlanc and/or Allen? (5) McClung was absolutely awful on both ends. If he doesn't step it up, he's going to be nailed to the bench. (6) The Fast Pace is Not Effective. We had 12 turnovers in the first 15 minutes, I believe. I know everyone loves to run and loves the fast tempo, but it really seems like we just run it up haphazardly, oftentimes turn it over, and when we are lucky enough to bring it up effectively, we just chuck it up for a quick shot. I am totally fine playing a fast tempo (or slow tempo) if it is effective. This is not effective. (7) WE SHOULD NEVER TAKE LONG TWOS. These are the most inefficient shot in basketball, yet we take way too many. There's a reason why these are the shots our opposition sometimes lets us have. (8) Lack of cohesion. I just do not see any coherent organized scheme on either offense or defense. I still think that long-term the best outcome is for Ewing to have success at Georgetown and he clearly puts a ton of time into his job, recruiting, etc., but my worry is that he's now entering his third year, has all of his own guys except for Mosely, and we still aren't seeing a cohesive strategy or plan on defense or offense. Time to step it up. I agree with all of this. What I would add is that Ewing is bringing two concepts from the NBA that may not necessarily work in college basketball if you are dogmatic and inflexible. 1. A stubborn refusal to play anything but man to man defense on a team with obvious defensive deficiencies. In addition, Ewing refers to successful defenses like Virginia's pack line and Seton Halls match-up zone as “junk defenses.” Whether Ewing is a true believer in man to man, or incapable of coaching anything else, this is a problem. The definition of insanity applies here. 2. The use of a “second unit” in a 40 minute game with TV timeouts is absurd. Like my above comment on defense, there is a reason no one else does this. It is impossible to implement successfully unless you have 11 4-5 star players and the units are balanced so you have equal talent and skill sets on each. 3. Fast pace on offense is tempo not a style of play. Use tempo to create early offense. It appears that tempo is the offense here. Again if Ewing just wants to roll the ball out and let the kids play and say that the key to future success is to “play better” he needs to recruit the kind of players that Roy Williams gets not two star undersized guards. I cannot think of another high major college basketball team that currently tries to play like Georgetown plays or does any of the above things. In a world that “copycats” success, Maybe there is a reason for that. Perhaps we should be looking at doing what other successful programs are doing that have our level of talent. I think I understand what Ewing is trying to do but you have to have NBA level talent on the court at all times to accomplish that. We don’t. Look at how Walter McCarty ----another NBA former assistant coach— gameplanned against Kentucky --- He did not try to run them off the court bc they would’ve lost by 40– like we would. Hopefully Ewing's approach becomes more flexible based on talent and opponent.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 15, 2019 10:14:30 GMT -5
I just don’t get it besides Pickett and Mosley everyone seems to have regressed especially the coaching staff. I don’t know what we’re doing but out there. Our only offensive plan seems to be force feed the post or just go one on one. And defense remains terrible. What we’re doing is insane. Beating our head against a wall trying the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
We should be improving in year 3 not going backwards. Staff needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and make some changes. The current schemes aren’t working.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 15, 2019 10:15:46 GMT -5
We made 4 three pointers. PSU made 13. The only reason this game wasn't worse was PSU's turnovers. Forget the rest of the OOC games. How in the world will we beat BE teams that can light it up from outside, which is most of the BE teams? The main issue of the game was explained above. The score was Penn St 39, Hoyas 12 from three point range. Penn State made 13 threes, the Hoyas only took 13 threes. We would have had to be perfect from 3 to keep up with the volume we allowed. Rebounding and turnovers were essentially even but the disparity in 3 point shooting killed us. Somehow this has to be figured out. Credit Penn State's defense as well, they played an excellent game.
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Post by rhw485 on Nov 15, 2019 10:22:43 GMT -5
So that was a rough game all around. Pretty much everybody was terrible, and I thought the coaching staff did a terrible job. A few thoughts: (1) LeBlanc needs to start. I said this before the game. No, it likely would not have saved us from losing this game (it actually was one of LeBlanc's worst games as a Hoya), but I think it's basic strategy that you need to start your best players, particularly arguably your best defensive player on a squad that cannot play defense. Mentally, I am sure not starting isn't helping him either. (2) Offensive scheme. I have no idea what we are doing on offense, other than running the ball up fast and chucking it. What scheme is Ewing running? "Running" is not a strategy, it's a tempo. What are we doing to get open looks? Are we looking to take threes? All of this is unclear to me. Omer Yurtseven shot 50% on threes in 2017. Why are we 3 games in, and he still hasn't taken one? I don't expect Yurtseven to be super high volume on threes, but he should be taking one here and there unless his skills have evaporated.(3) Defense. I am not sure what to say here that hasn't been said. It's just awful, and I am not confident Ewing knows how to coach a good defensive team. At times, the press worked, at others Penn State easily broke it. I am not a huge fan of a press in 2019, but I'll admit that I had the thought that our half-court defense is so bad, that maybe it makes our press look better? (4) We didn't take a timeout until 5 minutes into the game, when things were already way off the rails. Again, I don't think this would have saved us from losing, but it's game management that I simply do not understand. We got totally torched on defense, yet no timeout to get in LeBlanc and/or Allen? (5) McClung was absolutely awful on both ends. If he doesn't step it up, he's going to be nailed to the bench. (6) The Fast Pace is Not Effective. We had 12 turnovers in the first 15 minutes, I believe. I know everyone loves to run and loves the fast tempo, but it really seems like we just run it up haphazardly, oftentimes turn it over, and when we are lucky enough to bring it up effectively, we just chuck it up for a quick shot. I am totally fine playing a fast tempo (or slow tempo) if it is effective. This is not effective. (7) WE SHOULD NEVER TAKE LONG TWOS. These are the most inefficient shot in basketball, yet we take way too many. There's a reason why these are the shots our opposition sometimes lets us have. (8) Lack of cohesion. I just do not see any coherent organized scheme on either offense or defense. I still think that long-term the best outcome is for Ewing to have success at Georgetown and he clearly puts a ton of time into his job, recruiting, etc., but my worry is that he's now entering his third year, has all of his own guys except for Mosely, and we still aren't seeing a cohesive strategy or plan on defense or offense. Time to step it up. Agree with almost all the points, highlighting point 2. It almost seems like Ewing has regressed here? In Year 1 when he didn't have a ball dominant guard, you would see interesting sets out of horns action or a double screen for Pickett followed by another double screen for Blair that would allow the big man to duck in and get position. Now? It is a high ball screen or just literally pass around the perimeter waiting for a big man to post. Good teams will snuff this out and grind us down in halfcourt.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 15, 2019 10:35:34 GMT -5
We saw one play of Zone. It confused Penn St and I think it could be an effective tool, especially with specific line-ups. About line-ups, we can't keep getting destroyed by opposing SGs. A lot of times I saw a wide open man with Mac closing out, I could never pinpoint if that was Mac's guy or he was just the first one to realize things had broken down. We have the depth at the wings that I think we should be running 3 wings pretty frequently, they were being active and their length was disruptive. James/Allen/Mac at the 1, LeBlanc/Pickett/Gardner/Alexander at the 2-4, Yurt/Wahab at the 5. When your wings get tired Moseley/Mac can play some 2 or Yurt to the 4. Keep the press going...presses will get broken but if you're getting TOs then its worth it. Finally, the biggest issue of them all: 3 point shots. While none of our wings are Hollis type of sharp shooters, they can all shoot it and they should. Blair's shooting deficiencies have been mentioned but he did have a couple of good drives for floaters, keeping doing that and the 3 will come back. Mac is way off right now but if he can turn it on, then we will be in a better place...I just wish he would go for some dunks. We don't have the defense as of now to get him going but the press could lead to some runouts. Not sure what his off-season routine was but it seems like he's slowed down some.
All in all, this was ugly. We could have had this game but didn't take the opportunities that Penn St gave us. It's still early though and I'm hoping things will come around. I'm in the camp of limiting rotations but if the starters play as bad as last night, there is not much you can do.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 15, 2019 10:35:36 GMT -5
Passing around the perimeter with no purpose and settling for one-on-one moves to make things happen is not an offense. Things would open up for us if we could hit some shots.
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Post by lichoya68 on Nov 15, 2019 10:48:41 GMT -5
ugly game all around very disappointing as i said needed to be good here to be good needmeanary WAY UP YUP asap or could be a long year TEMPUS FUGIT right now. go hoyas
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Post by wponds on Nov 15, 2019 11:37:02 GMT -5
This isn't ideal
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Nov 15, 2019 11:47:19 GMT -5
As others have pointed out on Twitter, the three best players on the team (Akinjo, Yurt, LeBlanc) played a grand total of TWO possessions together, and it wasn't because of foul trouble.
It is very, very difficult to decipher Pat's plan on any given night. The rotations don't make sense. The prolonged stretches of benching the best players. Playing 10-11 deep.
In year 3, it is very fair to ask, "What the hell are we doing?"
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 15, 2019 11:47:55 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about Omer Yurtseven Instagramming out his highlight package from a game where we got smoked. Not a coincidence that there is a lot of "me" in "Omer".
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Post by guru on Nov 15, 2019 11:55:06 GMT -5
As others have pointed out on Twitter, the three best players on the team (Akinjo, Yurt, LeBlanc) played a grand total of TWO possessions together, and it wasn't because of foul trouble. It is very, very difficult to decipher Pat's plan on any given night. The rotations don't make sense. The prolonged stretches of benching the best players. Playing 10-11 deep. In year 3, it is very fair to ask, "What the hell are we doing?" More than fair. Offense: chaotic, disorganized, unproductive Defense: nonexistent Rotations: nonsensical Game preparation: seemingly absent In-game strategy and adjustments: Let me know when you see one. It’s a real regression from the middle of last season. Very concerning on every level for this program.
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Post by hoyaboya on Nov 15, 2019 11:57:22 GMT -5
As others have pointed out on Twitter, the three best players on the team (Akinjo, Yurt, LeBlanc) played a grand total of TWO possessions together, and it wasn't because of foul trouble. It is very, very difficult to decipher Pat's plan on any given night. The rotations don't make sense. The prolonged stretches of benching the best players. Playing 10-11 deep. In year 3, it is very fair to ask, "What the hell are we doing?" More than fair. Offense: chaotic, disorganized, unproductive Defense: nonexistent Rotations: nonsensical Game preparation: seemingly absent In-game strategy and adjustments: Let me know when you see one. It’s a real regression from the middle of last season. Very concerning on every level for this program. Who's the Xs/Os guy on the bench? If the answer is "Louis Orr", it's not surprising that we're seeing what we're seeing, particularly since Ewing hasn't been successful bringing in top 50 recruits. Good programs either have great coaching that masks undrewhelming talent or great talent that masks underwhelming coaching. Great programs have great talent and great coaching. What does Georgetown have?
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Post by navio on Nov 15, 2019 12:33:48 GMT -5
So I get that everyone is frustrated(I am frustrated as well), but I feel like the Hoya247 account has been WAY too negative and accusatory. At the end of the day, these are still college kids playing out there. Overly criticizing players using advanced analytics three games into the seasons gets us nowhere.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Nov 15, 2019 12:43:19 GMT -5
This is very damning for Blair. I can't believe Josh, James, and Omer only played 2 possessions together. This has to change, starting Sunday (assuming Patrick is ready to release Josh from his punishment).
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Post by 95hoya on Nov 15, 2019 13:05:16 GMT -5
We don't have "depth". We have roster issues. Our best players have major flaws. Our role players lack discernable strengths.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Nov 15, 2019 13:21:08 GMT -5
I'm not crazy about Omer Yurtseven Instagramming out his highlight package from a game where we got smoked. Not a coincidence that there is a lot of "me" in "Omer". Really? This is what some people are focusing on? augustusfinknottle and hoyaboya did you also object when Jagan Mosely posted highlights of his dunk after the Seton Hall game last year?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 15, 2019 13:28:22 GMT -5
We need players that can consistently hit threes and then we need to get them open looks out of our offense. Not seeing it!
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