Filo
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Post by Filo on Nov 15, 2019 13:42:50 GMT -5
Aside from the usual putrid perimeter D, these stats pretty much tell you all you need to know: 13 assists, 21 turnovers, 4 made threes on 13 attempts.
Mac is deservedly getting heat, and is certainly a major concern. But I really don't like to see 2 assists out of my floor general. James needs to be more of a distributor (although I concede that is it not possible to get an assist when the player you pass to cannot score).
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 15, 2019 13:54:26 GMT -5
I do not fathom the piling on Blair when everyone played badly. I hope that Blair continues to play and continues to shoot. If anything, the rotation needs to get deeper rather than tighter.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Nov 15, 2019 13:55:24 GMT -5
If anything, the rotation needs to get deeper rather than tighter. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 15, 2019 13:57:18 GMT -5
I would like to see Ike and Malcolm in for a minute here and there.
Again, I want bodies at the scorers table at EVERY DEAD BALL.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 15, 2019 14:03:36 GMT -5
I would like to see Ike and Malcolm in for a minute here and there. Again, I want bodies at the scorers table at EVERY DEAD BALL. Why?
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 15, 2019 14:08:57 GMT -5
To promote as much chaos as possible, and to encourage guys to literally go as hard as possible for a short period of time, and then get a breath.
Every player should be running and going full-steam at all times. There should NEVER be a time when we do not sprint to contest- I do not care if the next Jordan is forty feet in front of you for an uncontested dunk, sprint after him! Crash the boards hard every time! If guys really play like that, with a chip on their shoulder, they will be tired quickly, so we should rotate players in and out.
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Nov 15, 2019 14:29:41 GMT -5
To promote as much chaos as possible, and to encourage guys to literally go as hard as possible for a short period of time, and then get a breath. Every player should be running and going full-steam at all times. There should NEVER be a time when we do not sprint to contest- I do not care if the next Jordan is forty feet in front of you for an uncontested dunk, sprint after him! Crash the boards hard every time! If guys really play like that, with a chip on their shoulder, they will be tired quickly, so we should rotate players in and out. Hockey rotations, I like it.
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Nov 15, 2019 14:41:12 GMT -5
Every college team/most college players have their flaws. It's the job of the coaching staff to put their players in a position to succeed. It's VERY obvious we're not doing that. That's why I think everyone who is panicking at this moment is completely justified in doing so.
One of two things is happening: Either the team is overtly disobeying the game plan/plays to play in the manner in which they are playing, or we don't have a plan. Both are very very bad. This isn't an example of "oh people are over reacting 3 games into the season". What we've seen out there the first 3 games of the season is deeply concerning.
Scheme:
As others have said, the only offensive set we run is to force feed the post regardless of who is playing (Omer/Wahab). Does anyone think that playing through Wahab at this juncture in his career gives us the best chance to win (no this is not a criticism of Wahab)? Our game plan quite clearly is to push the pace, but we don't do so with any purpose. Even fast breaking teams should have some set plays as to what to do on a primary or secondary break situation. Right now, it's go as fast as we can out of control and hope for the best.
We need plays, we have the players to be effective on the offensive end; run some screens to get Pickett open jump shots, etc. This isn't a matter of not having the personnel. We do. Hero ball is not an effective game plan against a remotely coached team.
Defensively, we need to change things up clearly. It's much easier to defend after a made basket so sadly some of this is related. Learn a packline, learn a zone. Anything different
Rotations:
What. the. hell. Everyone who has watched any amount of basketball can tell these subs are completely insane. The fact that only 2 possessions were played with your best 3 players at one time is egregious. The worst part is that noone is able to get a rhythm going for themselves or with the rest of their teammates before a line change is made. You can tell that this tactic has an effect on team morale, you can just see it. Play your best players. Tighten up the rotation. Move pickett to the 3 where he belongs. Josh should not be Pickett's backup at the 4.
The biggest concern to me is Ewing saying after the game that we're in a slump and he doesn't know. I just don't understand how early on in your tenure, you have a game plan and plays and this year we've seemingly forgone ANY structure or game plan and you've seemingly lost the ability to see the game of basketball effectively. This is really really bad. I really hope that he can and will make the necessary adjustments sooner rather than later, or this is going to be a reallllly long year.
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Post by gatormcclusky on Nov 15, 2019 14:48:03 GMT -5
Every college team/most college players have their flaws. It's the job of the coaching staff to put their players in a position to succeed. It's VERY obvious we're not doing that. That's why I think everyone who is panicking at this moment is completely justified in doing so. One of two things is happening: Either the team is overtly disobeying the game plan/plays to play in the manner in which they are playing, or we don't have a plan. Both are very very bad. This isn't an example of "oh people are over reacting 3 games into the season". What we've seen out there the first 3 games of the season is deeply concerning. Scheme: As others have said, the only offensive set we run is to force feed the post regardless of who is playing (Omer/Wahab). Does anyone think that playing through Wahab at this juncture in his career gives us the best chance to win (no this is not a criticism of Wahab)? Our game plan quite clearly is to push the pace, but we don't do so with any purpose. Even fast breaking teams should have some set plays as to what to do on a primary or secondary break situation. Right now, it's go as fast as we can out of control and hope for the best. We need plays, we have the players to be effective on the offensive end; run some screens to get Pickett open jump shots, etc. This isn't a matter of not having the personnel. We do. Hero ball is not an effective game plan against a remotely coached team. Defensively, we need to change things up clearly. It's much easier to defend after a made basket so sadly some of this is related. Learn a packline, learn a zone. Anything different Rotations: What. the. hell. Everyone who has watched any amount of basketball can tell these subs are completely insane. The fact that only 2 possessions were played with your best 3 players at one time is egregious. The worst part is that noone is able to get a rhythm going for themselves or with the rest of their teammates before a line change is made. You can tell that this tactic has an effect on team morale, you can just see it. Play your best players. Tighten up the rotation. Move pickett to the 3 where he belongs. Josh should not be Pickett's backup at the 4. The biggest concern to me is Ewing saying after the game that we're in a slump and he doesn't know. I just don't understand how early on in your tenure, you have a game plan and plays and this year we've seemingly forgone ANY structure or game plan and you've seemingly lost the ability to see the game of basketball effectively. This is really really bad. I really hope that he can and will make the necessary adjustments sooner rather than later, or this is going to be a reallllly long year. 100% agreed with what you're saying about the offensive sets and substitutions. The lineups and sub patterns have been one of the biggest problems this year in leading to tight play and poor cohesion.
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Post by hsaxon on Nov 15, 2019 14:55:34 GMT -5
I think Penn State had better athletes than we did.
And we need to hire an X's and O's coach.
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kbones17
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 15, 2019 15:39:59 GMT -5
I think Penn State had better athletes than we did. And we need to hire an X's and O's coach. I thought Penn St was actually pretty bad after Jones’ hot start. They gave us ample opportunity to steal the game back and yet it still wasn’t close. That’s the most concerning part.
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Post by centercourt400s on Nov 15, 2019 16:01:38 GMT -5
I think Penn State had better athletes than we did. And we need to hire an X's and O's coach. I thought Penn St was actually pretty bad after Jones’ hot start. They gave us ample opportunity to steal the game back and yet it still wasn’t close. That’s the most concerning part. Penn State's defense was good the whole game. Their offense was very 3 reliant and while it was shaky at times they consistently hit the shots (mostly 3s) they needed to.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Nov 15, 2019 16:02:25 GMT -5
To promote as much chaos as possible, and to encourage guys to literally go as hard as possible for a short period of time, and then get a breath. Every player should be running and going full-steam at all times. There should NEVER be a time when we do not sprint to contest- I do not care if the next Jordan is forty feet in front of you for an uncontested dunk, sprint after him! Crash the boards hard every time! If guys really play like that, with a chip on their shoulder, they will be tired quickly, so we should rotate players in and out. Hockey rotations, I like it. This idea is ridiculous. I don't care how "fresh" a guy is if he can't pass, shoot, or play defense he doesn't belong on the floor. Obviously you need to give your 5 best players a rest but wholesale substitutions just winds up with at least 2-3 guys on the floor who just don't belong there. Plus bringing these subs in when the guys who are expected to be major contributors are on the bench just creates a huge scoring void. I'll give PE some latitude since you can assume he's trying to figure out his rotations but come BE time I expect to see a solid starting 5 plus maybe 3 quality subs.
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rlo24
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Post by rlo24 on Nov 15, 2019 16:17:03 GMT -5
Does anyone know if the team practices at Capital One at all? If not, I assume they come early to get a feel? I'm curious how many hours they spend over there before games. If they are there 3-4 hours before gametime, is that contributing to the slow starts?
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 15, 2019 16:24:33 GMT -5
Ok. I am a glutton for punishment. After attending the game, I am rewatching the broadcast. Here are my observations fo the first 5 minutes:
Mac started the game with an aggressive defensive rebound. He looked confident, but we wasn't 'defense aware' and had the ball stolen from behind for the 1st turnover of the game.
Myreon Jones simply started this game on fire. He was ready to go. The Hoyas were not matching the same energy level as PSU. Jones hit an easy 2 in transition. Then, as Mac was setting a screen for Yurt, Jones abandoned defending Mac and stepped in front of Yurt to intercept the post-entry.
Shortly after, James drops off of his man to double Stevens. Stevens finds James' man and Mac covers it. James' man passes to Mac man (Jones) but Yurt can't rotate in time before Jones hits another 3. This was a scheme issue and a red hot shooter and not the fault of Mac.
Then Yurt gets blocked at the rim. Yurt had made a good run to the rim but he takes the ball up softly and not with aggression. Watkins makes a great play.
So far the team is not matching the intensity of the opponent, but otherwise I can't fault any individual Hoya.
Next possession - good defense by Akinjo causes a travel.
James comes down the floor and passes it to Mac coming off a screen. Mac takes an early 3...perhaps too early...but it is blocked by Watkins and Mac is mugged. I was shocked this wasn't a foul. There were several non-fouls last night that did us no favors.
The loose ball after the block goes to PSU....the 2nd loose ball they are able to come up with.
PSU brings up the ball. Jagan completely loses awareness and doesn't guard Stevens who takes an open 3 and misses.
James feeds the ball to Yurt who makes a post move and is blocked by Watkins. Yurt seems pretty passive...and pretty unathletic so far in the game. Yurt is going through the motions but there is no energy.
Stevens drives the baseline. Yurt comes off Watkins to help and leaves Watkins wide open for an easy dish and dunk.
Mac passes along the perimeter to Pickett who hits a 3.
Jones misses a short 2 but in this possession it is clear that Akinjo is expected to double Stevens when possible as he has to hustle all the way across the floor to get his man. This is clearly the defensive scheme.
James and Yurt run a PRN. PSU switches and Jones knock the pass back to hurt out of bounds.
Off the inbound, Pickett takes a 15' and it bounces off the back of the rim and PSU rebounds it.
PSU's back-up center misses an intermediate jump shot.
Jagan feeds Yurt in the post who makes and move and misses an 8' shot.
PSU takes a 3 and James fails to control the ball which should have been his. Loose ball recovered by PSU....3rd (of 3) loose ball they recover.
Ball is fed in transition to Jones who hits another 3
Ball is fed to Yurt who spins and makes a 12' along the baseline.
Jones makes a 3 contested by Mac 3 feet behind the line from the wing.
Jagan makes a lazy entry pass to Yurt which is intercepted by his defender.(Jones)
In transition, Jones hits a 3 on Jagan from 5' behind the line.
Ok...that is the first 5 minutes of the game. Here are my conclusions for how things went so wrong.
Jones had an outstanding individual performance. Hoyas didn't match the intensity which I lay at the feet of both the players and the staff. If there was one player who wasn't ready to play, it was Yurt.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 15, 2019 16:43:17 GMT -5
Those 14 early points by Jones where he was on fire were the game. Final spread was 15. Pat's plan to double Stevens was a solid idea but you have to recognize quickly when to not leave certain other shooters. Plus Stevens is more effective in transition then the half court anyway.
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Post by kettlehill on Nov 15, 2019 17:06:34 GMT -5
This is Macinjo and Leblancs team. The only route to success for this team is to give it back to them. 30+ minutes each whatever happens. I do not care if Mac misses 10 in a row or James turns it over 5 times in a row. They need their rhythm and Josh needs to play every minute possible. Get out of their way Patrick- you are over-coaching. In the college game the most important ingredient for success is intensity- you know all about that- coach it.
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hoyaduck
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Post by hoyaduck on Nov 15, 2019 17:10:08 GMT -5
This is Macinjo and Leblancs team. The only route to success for this team is to give it back to them. 30+ minutes each whatever happens. I do not care if Mac misses 10 in a row or James turns it over 5 times in a row. They need their rhythm and Josh needs to play every minute possible. Get out of their way Patrick- you are over-coaching. In the college game the most important ingredient for success is intensity- you know all about that- coach it. It's one thing to miss 10 shots in a row. It's another to miss 10 shots in a row and run around like a lost puppy on the defensive end...
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 15, 2019 17:34:14 GMT -5
I did feel that the PSU guards were way too aggressive early and the refs let them get away with it. It fed our opponent’s early momentum. No excuses for giving the Lions multiple three possession opportunities.
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jwp91
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 15, 2019 17:51:33 GMT -5
Mac is getting hammered on the board. If there was one player who was as soft as charmin in my re-watch so far, it was Yurtseven. Sure his box score looks better than the rest, but he was abused.
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