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Post by hoyaduck on Nov 15, 2019 18:39:44 GMT -5
Mac is getting hammered on the board. If there was one player who was as soft as charmin in my re-watch so far, it was Yurtseven. Sure his box score looks better than the rest, but he was abused. Besides those slams, there were a number of times he'd get the ball down low and not attack the rim nearly hard enough.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Nov 15, 2019 18:56:10 GMT -5
It’s the defense........ defense,play damn defense we will win games you can’t give up 6-7 wide open threes every game.and then throw it inside and score right over whoever in there right over them can’t guard inside or outside. Make them practice without shooting just playing defense guarding the three. Switching calling out screens. Work on the defense the offense is good enough it’s the defense.you have to guard the 3 point line or you will loose to anyone. Straighten the defense out and Hoyas will have a chance if it continue the same expect no post season at all. It has to be better it has to be from the start of the game to. Not down 15 then start playing,it has to be better or this season will be a bust. Ewing may not be right man for the job,how can a team not guard this bad for 3 straight years I don’t see improvement on defense at all. Better get them to guard or it’s a long brutal season if you don’t. I hope something changes on defense starting Sunday. Go Hoyas.
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Post by kettlehill on Nov 15, 2019 18:56:41 GMT -5
The problems on defense do not start nor end with Mac. It’s the scheme. Is there any doubt that Mac is willing to play defense? Sure he had some bad habits from HS but this is an intense terrific athlete that needs to be coached.
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 15, 2019 19:16:13 GMT -5
It’s the defense........ defense,play damn defense we will win games you can’t give up 6-7 wide open threes every game.and then throw it inside and score right over whoever in there right over them can’t guard inside or outside. Make them practice without shooting just playing defense guarding the three. Switching calling out screens. Work on the defense the offense is good enough it’s the defense.you have to guard the 3 point line or you will loose to anyone. Straighten the defense out and Hoyas will have a chance if it continue the same expect no post season at all. It has to be better it has to be from the start of the game to. Not down 15 then start playing,it has to be better or this season will be a bust. Ewing may not be right man for the job,how can a team not guard this bad for 3 straight years I don’t see improvement on defense at all. Better get them to guard or it’s a long brutal season if you don’t. I hope something changes on defense starting Sunday. Go Hoyas. Agree with most of this. This team needs to take greater pride in playing defense. If we can keep the opponent in the low 70’s (or below) we will win most of the time. Coaching staff needs to assist by committing to a smaller rotation, make sure they know their role and who they are guarding going in so they can scout it, and need to install a zone to use when we need to disrupt the rhythm.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 15, 2019 19:35:14 GMT -5
Re-watch the game. It was the scheme more than individual players.
Also, the team couldn’t match the intensity from man 1 to man 11.
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Post by jester on Nov 15, 2019 19:42:57 GMT -5
Re-watch the game. It was the scheme more than individual players. Also, the team couldn’t match the intensity from man 1 to man 11. Which is the most frustrating part (well next to some coaching decisions ) We lack well rounded players (an Otto, a peak, who bring it on both ends at a high D1 level) but thought this would be a given, given senior Mosely, competitor Mac and James, Galens move, experienced Allan, a Pickett who has two wings behind him, Josh who brings it always...
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 8:20:15 GMT -5
I finished my re-watch. Here are my conclusions
Penn State was just better that night; the Hoyas had a bad night; and we were beaten by an outstanding performance by Jones.
Penn State had better energy for most of the game and got by my count every loose ball.
Every Hoya was beaten on defense. No one was immune. I would be interested in discussing with someone who knows basketball better than me what isn't working about the scheme. The helping is leading to open 3. And it is everyone not just Mac. They are trying to play team defense and are just getting abused.
Yurt has a bad 1st half, but played much more assertively in the 2nd half.
The refs had a couple of calls that dramatically affected momentum. The non-call on Mac's three in the 1st half and the moving screen on Pickett at the beginning of the 2nd half really affected the momentum of the game. The refs didn't call the exact moving screen on PSU when it was similarly obvious. There were several other calls that all went PSU's way. Jagan's block on Steven in the 1st half was another example.
Akinjo probably had the best game of any Hoya...which was not saying much.
I don't think the problem is that we played 11 players. All the Hoyas were beaten, and no one had a hot hand.
I am curious how Josh got in the dog house. He probably needs to start and get his minute allocation increased.
Mac and Blair are in a slump and are pressing. They just need to relax a bit.
I am not sure I agree with anyone who thinks there is a silver bullet to fix this (e.g. Alexander who had more than his share of bonehead plays)
I would have thought we wouldn't have a night where 9-11 players played so poorly.
To fix this:
I think we move Josh to start. Not sure it matters whether Jagan or Mac goes to the bench. I think continuing to play 11. Once we figure this out, this will be a competitive strength.
We need leaders on the team to step up and be leaders.
We need to exceed the opponent's intensity from the jump.
We have to figure out what defensive adjustments we need for our scheme to work.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2019 9:50:10 GMT -5
I am curious how Josh got in the dog house. He probably needs to start and get his minute allocation increased I’m sure it’s a disciplinary issue and not performance based. But he basically lost his starting job and has to reearn Ewing’s trust on the discipline. But we can’t play 3 sub 6-2 guards. No reason to make ourselves small, especially when akinjo and Mac aren’t good defenders. Play Galen or Myron as the 3rd guy and then you have length, rebounding and more firepower
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 9:56:53 GMT -5
I am curious how Josh got in the dog house. He probably needs to start and get his minute allocation increased I’m sure it’s a disciplinary issue and not performance based. But he basically lost his starting job and has to reearn Ewing’s trust on the discipline. But we can’t play 3 sub 6-2 guards. No reason to make ourselves small, especially when akinjo and Mac aren’t good defenders. Play Galen or Myron as the 3rd guy and then you have length, rebounding and more firepower I don't think guard height had any influence on what happened on Thursday. More intensity and more leadership and it is a different game.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2019 10:40:35 GMT -5
I’m sure it’s a disciplinary issue and not performance based. But he basically lost his starting job and has to reearn Ewing’s trust on the discipline. But we can’t play 3 sub 6-2 guards. No reason to make ourselves small, especially when akinjo and Mac aren’t good defenders. Play Galen or Myron as the 3rd guy and then you have length, rebounding and more firepower I don't think guard height had any influence on what happened on Thursday. More intensity and more leadership and it is a different game. I think it effect defense. I would rather have 6-7 7 foot wingspan Josh Leblanc on the starting lineup as an extra rim protector and who has length to bother 3s and snag defensive and offensive rebounds rather than a 6-2 guard. Why do you think the first unit puts us in such a hole to start off the game.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 16, 2019 10:41:11 GMT -5
I finished my re-watch. Here are my conclusions Penn State was just better that night; the Hoyas had a bad night; and we were beaten by an outstanding performance by Jones. Penn State had better energy for most of the game and got by my count every loose ball. Every Hoya was beaten on defense. No one was immune. I would be interested in discussing with someone who knows basketball better than me what isn't working about the scheme. The helping is leading to open 3. And it is everyone not just Mac. They are trying to play team defense and are just getting abused. Yurt has a bad 1st half, but played much more assertively in the 2nd half. The refs had a couple of calls that dramatically affected momentum. The non-call on Mac's three in the 1st half and the moving screen on Pickett at the beginning of the 2nd half really affected the momentum of the game. The refs didn't call the exact moving screen on PSU when it was similarly obvious. There were several other calls that all went PSU's way. Jagan's block on Steven in the 1st half was another example. Akinjo probably had the best game of any Hoya...which was not saying much. I don't think the problem is that we played 11 players. All the Hoyas were beaten, and no one had a hot hand. I am curious how Josh got in the dog house. He probably needs to start and get his minute allocation increased. Mac and Blair are in a slump and are pressing. They just need to relax a bit. I am not sure I agree with anyone who thinks there is a silver bullet to fix this (e.g. Alexander who had more than his share of bonehead plays) I would have thought we wouldn't have a night where 9-11 players played so poorly. To fix this: I think we move Josh to start. Not sure it matters whether Jagan or Mac goes to the bench. I think continuing to play 11. Once we figure this out, this will be a competitive strength. We need leaders on the team to step up and be leaders. We need to exceed the opponent's intensity from the jump. We have to figure out what defensive adjustments we need for our scheme to work. It’s very difficult to talk defensive schemes without watching a practice so there is a lot of reading between the lines or assumptions being made in my thoughts. I don’t think the staff has a scheme in their man to man defense.. When asked about defense at the post game presser PE said it “starts individually, the players have to do a better of guarding their man and if they get beat the help needs to be there” That sounds good in theory but in reality I’m not so sure, defense has to be played as a unit not individually in my view... If a player is too wrapped up in guarding “his” man chances are high he’ll be late to help out a teammate in need, looks to me like that’s what happens a lot with the team... I’m a middle aged guy but the defensive mantra of Ball - You - Man should still hold true right?
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 10:44:31 GMT -5
Well, on Thursday, the Hoyas came out flat and Penn State came out strong and punched them in the month. Leblanc would have had no impact on Jones going off from 5' behind the line.
Do I want Leblanc to start and earn more minutes? Yes. I don't think guard height was the problem. Mosely is actually 6'3" and surprisingly to me he was guarding 6'8" Lamar..and he didn't a great job. Stevens was not even a factor in the game when Mosely was guarding him.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 10:47:09 GMT -5
I finished my re-watch. Here are my conclusions Penn State was just better that night; the Hoyas had a bad night; and we were beaten by an outstanding performance by Jones. Penn State had better energy for most of the game and got by my count every loose ball. Every Hoya was beaten on defense. No one was immune. I would be interested in discussing with someone who knows basketball better than me what isn't working about the scheme. The helping is leading to open 3. And it is everyone not just Mac. They are trying to play team defense and are just getting abused. Yurt has a bad 1st half, but played much more assertively in the 2nd half. The refs had a couple of calls that dramatically affected momentum. The non-call on Mac's three in the 1st half and the moving screen on Pickett at the beginning of the 2nd half really affected the momentum of the game. The refs didn't call the exact moving screen on PSU when it was similarly obvious. There were several other calls that all went PSU's way. Jagan's block on Steven in the 1st half was another example. Akinjo probably had the best game of any Hoya...which was not saying much. I don't think the problem is that we played 11 players. All the Hoyas were beaten, and no one had a hot hand. I am curious how Josh got in the dog house. He probably needs to start and get his minute allocation increased. Mac and Blair are in a slump and are pressing. They just need to relax a bit. I am not sure I agree with anyone who thinks there is a silver bullet to fix this (e.g. Alexander who had more than his share of bonehead plays) I would have thought we wouldn't have a night where 9-11 players played so poorly. To fix this: I think we move Josh to start. Not sure it matters whether Jagan or Mac goes to the bench. I think continuing to play 11. Once we figure this out, this will be a competitive strength. We need leaders on the team to step up and be leaders. We need to exceed the opponent's intensity from the jump. We have to figure out what defensive adjustments we need for our scheme to work. It’s very difficult to talk defensive schemes without watching a practice so there is a lot of reading between the lines or assumptions being made in my thoughts. I don’t think the staff has a scheme in their man to man defense.. When asked about defense at the post game presser PE said it “starts individually, the players have to do a better of guarding their man and if they get beat the help needs to be there” That sounds good in theory but in reality I’m not so sure, defense has to be played as a unit not individually in my view... If a player is too wrapped up in guarding “his” man chances are high he’ll be late to help out a teammate in need, looks to me like that’s what happens a lot with the team... I’m a middle aged guy but the defensive mantra of Ball - You - Man should still hold true right? That was not the problem from my re-watch. Players are sagging and helping which is causing the problem. We might have fewer problems (or at least different problems) if the players starting focusing on guarding their man only. The Hoyas are getting burned when they are trying to sag and help and the rotations are not happening quick enough (?)
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 10:50:28 GMT -5
Ben Standig on the Kente Korner podcast talked about the weak fan support maybe affecting the energy at the start of the game. Not having fans certainly doesn't help the situation.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2019 11:32:05 GMT -5
Ben Standig on the Kente Korner podcast talked about the weak fan support maybe affecting the energy at the start of the game. Not having fans certainly doesn't help the situation. That's reaching, blaming the fans and message board people. It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 11:59:07 GMT -5
Ben Standig on the Kente Korner podcast talked about the weak fan support maybe affecting the energy at the start of the game. Not having fans certainly doesn't help the situation. That's reaching, blaming the fans and message board people. It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up. That’s ridiculous. The team came out flat because they are short and upset that Leblanc didn’t start. Shaking my head.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 16, 2019 12:11:34 GMT -5
That's reaching, blaming the fans and message board people. It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up. That’s ridiculous. The team came out flat because they are short and upset that Leblanc didn’t start. Shaking my head. Stop making things up. I never said that the team is upset that Leblanc didn't start. Show me where I said that. You take away your starting power forward and replace him with a backup combo guard and it's pretty easy to see why there are losing the game early.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 12:48:38 GMT -5
You said....
‘It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up.‘
If you went back and analyzed what happened against PSU, you would see they started losing the game early due to not matching PSU’s intensity. It had nothing to do with 3 guards or Leblanc. Go back and watch the 1st 5 minutes of the game again.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 16, 2019 13:09:59 GMT -5
You said.... ‘It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up.‘ If you went back and analyzed what happened against PSU, you would see they started losing the game early due to not matching PSU’s intensity. It had nothing to do with 3 guards or Leblanc. Go back and watch the 1st 5 minutes of the game again. I agree with your assessments but you cant deny that typically Josh brings a lot of energy to the table.
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Post by jwp91 on Nov 16, 2019 13:14:36 GMT -5
You said.... ‘It has more to do with the fact they LeBlanc is benched because of disciplinary reasons and we continue to play a very small 3 guard line up.‘ If you went back and analyzed what happened against PSU, you would see they started losing the game early due to not matching PSU’s intensity. It had nothing to do with 3 guards or Leblanc. Go back and watch the 1st 5 minutes of the game again. I agree with your assessments but you cant deny that typically Josh brings a lot of energy to the table. I don’t dispute that all, but I don’t think,Josh in the starting line-up changes anything about how the game starts on Thursday. I don’t think Jagan was anywhere near the ball the 1st 5 minutes. Josh doesn’t stop Jones 5’ behind the line.
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