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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 23, 2019 21:29:14 GMT -5
Ever the provocateur, Doug Gottlieb not making friends in Chestnut Hill:
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 23, 2019 21:48:05 GMT -5
Ever the provocateur, Doug Gottlieb not making friends in Chestnut Hill: Unlike his usual, he’s not wrong this time. They’ll never leave the ACC football dough now that they have it.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 23, 2019 21:59:26 GMT -5
Play the role of the doormat for $$$.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Jun 24, 2019 6:40:53 GMT -5
What makes him think that today's BC hoops program can compete in the Big East?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 24, 2019 7:34:16 GMT -5
What makes him think that today's BC hoops program can compete in the Big East? Exactly...Gottlieb's was actually throwing shade, making a back handed diss of the BIG EAST!
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Jun 24, 2019 7:54:02 GMT -5
What makes him think that today's BC hoops program can compete in the Big East? My thoughts exactly. This is a conference that, just year before last, had two #1 seeds (with 60% of the conference getting bids). We all know that the talking heads want everyone to bow to the ACC as if they’re better than everyone else, though.
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Post by bostonfan on Jun 24, 2019 9:21:41 GMT -5
Ever the provocateur, Doug Gottlieb not making friends in Chestnut Hill: Unlike his usual, he’s not wrong this time. They’ll never leave the ACC football dough now that they have it. Adding BC would connect the entire 95 corridor from Boston to DC and hit every big TV market along the way and make competitive sense for BC and the Big East. That being said, BC is not leaving all that ACC money behind. My understanding is that the football money they get from the ACC TV contract pays for the entire athletic department budget. They will continue to take their beatings for the money.
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Post by drquigley on Jun 24, 2019 10:04:51 GMT -5
We can't assume this. The trouble is, Georgetown has assumed too much about the fan base over the years, and it didn't materialize. In the last six seasons, there have been just four home games out of 101 that drew as many as 15,000, and zero to teams not named Syracuse or Villanova. In the previous six seasons, there were 25 such games. (FWIW, The 2017 game with UConn drew 12,164.) The fan base isn't what is was, just like Washington isn't what it was. Today's students live in a world where the Redskins have never been a contender, where the street in front of the White House has always been a place to skateboard, and Georgetown home games aren't a destination. To build that back takes a plan, not just doing what worked in 2013 or 2007. Geez. I think the attendance horse raced in Santa Anita at some point over the past 6 months. Sure you need a plan, but isn't "what worked" in 2007 and 2013 BET tournament championship teams (and a Final Four, etc didn't hurt). It's pretty simple. Win and attendance will follow. Sure, we're now in a generation/time where no one is really motivated to leave their house/apartment, but honest question: would the fan base (at least geezers on this board) be happy, and would the program make $ venue-wise with average attendance across all games at the 9-10k level (meaning lessening but continued apathy for most cupcake games - say 7k average, and 10-12k at all BE games)? 2017 game not a good comparison. Both team stunk. UCONN fans will show up once both teams become competitive and I really believe the Mackinjo led, Ewing coached, Hoyas will create a new, energized local fan base. No way we get the level of attendance we had in the old days simply because Creighton, Butler and Xavier don't have a local fanbase like Syracuse, W.Va., Pitt. But getting UCONN back and a biannual Syracuse game will help tremendously. And fugeddabout BC. UCONN will fill the New England niche. IMHO getting Va Tech in the Big East will also draw well in DC. They have a large under appreciated alumni base.
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Post by bigelephant on Jun 24, 2019 10:21:39 GMT -5
Agree With Dr Quigley. But I still hope for Syracuse coming back even tho it really won't happen.
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 24, 2019 10:24:03 GMT -5
Ever the provocateur, Doug Gottlieb not making friends in Chestnut Hill: Unlike his usual, he’s not wrong this time. They’ll never leave the ACC football dough now that they have it. Once The college football bubble bursts i could SEE them leaving.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 24, 2019 10:26:09 GMT -5
The football money in the ACC is why programs joined and won’t leave. Agree that BC basketball would suck in the Big East.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 24, 2019 11:00:18 GMT -5
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jun 24, 2019 11:22:02 GMT -5
Assuming the big time conference football schools are untouchable (former Big East teams like Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Rutgers, etc. included), I think if tasked with adding a 12th team, you look to Gonzaga first, then to any severable AAC team, and lastly to an A-10 team.
Gonzaga would be the best basketball school to add, but the logistics and travel would be a bear, for them especially. I just don't think it works long-term. However, Mark Few is an exceptional coach, is still only 57, and very reasonably has a 10-15 year coaching runway remaining.
Within the AAC, Wichita State does not play football and has a very solid basketball tradition. Without football, they are seemingly the most easily severable and would provide another team in the midwestern geography to group with Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler, and Xavier to make a tidy division grouping. Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, and UConn would be the other division. 10 games within division (5x2), 8 games outside division (6x1, plus 2 additional on a rotating basis). Seems very logical. Like Few, Gregg Marshall is an exceptional coach, is 56, and has a similar coaching runway remaining.
I'm not sure you can pry any of Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, SMU, Houston, etc. loose from the AAC because all of their football programs are pretty solid. Would one of these teams be willing to leave football in the AAC and bring all other sports back to the Big East? Is that even possible? I dunno.
In the A-10, you have VCU, Davidson, and Dayton, but I would rate all of them lower down the pecking order than the aforementioned teams.
Thoughts?
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Post by thebin on Jun 24, 2019 11:37:00 GMT -5
Don’t like the idea of a west coast team. A big part of the appeal of BE for uconn must be an improved travel burden for olympic sports.
Why not umass? Natural rival for state school, large alumni base in nyc....another foothold in new england? Fb program even less influential than uconn’s.
Beyond them, st louis or dayton.
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Post by sleepy on Jun 24, 2019 11:52:01 GMT -5
Assuming the big time conference football schools are untouchable (former Big East teams like Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Rutgers, etc. included), I think if tasked with adding a 12th team, you look to Gonzaga first, then to any severable AAC team, and lastly to an A-10 team. Gonzaga would be the best basketball school to add, but the logistics and travel would be a bear, for them especially. I just don't think it works long-term. However, Mark Few is an exceptional coach, is still only 57, and very reasonably has a 10-15 year coaching runway remaining. Within the AAC, Wichita State does not play football and has a very solid basketball tradition. Without football, they are seemingly the most easily severable and would provide another team in the midwestern geography to group with Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler, and Xavier to make a tidy division grouping. Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, and UConn would be the other division. 10 games within division (5x2), 8 games outside division (6x1, plus 2 additional on a rotating basis). Seems very logical. Like Few, Gregg Marshall is an exceptional coach, is 56, and has a similar coaching runway remaining. I'm not sure you can pry any of Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, SMU, Houston, etc. loose from the AAC because all of their football programs are pretty solid. Would one of these teams be willing to leave football in the AAC and bring all other sports back to the Big East? Is that even possible? I dunno. In the A-10, you have VCU, Davidson, and Dayton, but I would rate all of them lower down the pecking order than the aforementioned teams. Thoughts? I believe we want to keep it round robin so a 12th teams makes no sense. Additionally, I don't see any team improving the worth of the conference enough to justify splitting the pie more. I think we are only even adding Uconn because of the clause in our contract that allows us to renegotiate before 2026 if we add an 11th team and we are out performing FoxSports initial evaluations and are getting paid as a conference under market value as it is. Adding Uconn will just sweeten the deal even more, I'd suspect.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jun 24, 2019 12:20:46 GMT -5
Assuming the big time conference football schools are untouchable (former Big East teams like Notre Dame, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Rutgers, etc. included), I think if tasked with adding a 12th team, you look to Gonzaga first, then to any severable AAC team, and lastly to an A-10 team. Gonzaga would be the best basketball school to add, but the logistics and travel would be a bear, for them especially. I just don't think it works long-term. However, Mark Few is an exceptional coach, is still only 57, and very reasonably has a 10-15 year coaching runway remaining. Within the AAC, Wichita State does not play football and has a very solid basketball tradition. Without football, they are seemingly the most easily severable and would provide another team in the midwestern geography to group with Creighton, Marquette, DePaul, Butler, and Xavier to make a tidy division grouping. Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Villanova, Seton Hall, and UConn would be the other division. 10 games within division (5x2), 8 games outside division (6x1, plus 2 additional on a rotating basis). Seems very logical. Like Few, Gregg Marshall is an exceptional coach, is 56, and has a similar coaching runway remaining. I'm not sure you can pry any of Cincinnati, Temple, Memphis, SMU, Houston, etc. loose from the AAC because all of their football programs are pretty solid. Would one of these teams be willing to leave football in the AAC and bring all other sports back to the Big East? Is that even possible? I dunno. In the A-10, you have VCU, Davidson, and Dayton, but I would rate all of them lower down the pecking order than the aforementioned teams. Thoughts? I believe we want to keep it round robin so a 12th teams makes no sense. Additionally, I don't see any team improving the worth of the conference enough to justify splitting the pie more. I think we are only even adding Uconn because of the clause in our contract that allows us to renegotiate before 2026 if we add an 11th team and we are out performing FoxSports initial evaluations and are getting paid as a conference under market value as it is. Adding Uconn will just sweeten the deal even more, I'd suspect. I’m sure you are right and this makes total sense financially and logistically. More of an off-season hypothetical throw away topic meant to spawn some fun banter and convo...😉
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Post by DanMcQ on Jun 24, 2019 13:03:20 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Jun 24, 2019 13:22:37 GMT -5
Don’t like the idea of a west coast team. A big part of the appeal of BE for uconn must be an improved travel burden for olympic sports. Why not umass? Natural rival for state school, large alumni base in nyc....another foothold in new england? Fb program even less influential than uconn’s. Beyond them, st louis or dayton. I Think Quality is more important than adding a medicore stepping stone program like Dayton, st louis or UMass. Look at rutgers. That was a Completely worthless move by The big 10.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 24, 2019 14:11:48 GMT -5
UConn was a no-brainer. Next move is less obvious. Best to be patient. It may be a good basketball program that can park it’s floundering football program somewhere.
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Post by tribeninerhoya on Jun 24, 2019 14:23:08 GMT -5
Don’t like the idea of a west coast team. A big part of the appeal of BE for uconn must be an improved travel burden for olympic sports. Why not umass? Natural rival for state school, large alumni base in nyc....another foothold in new england? Fb program even less influential than uconn’s. Beyond them, st louis or dayton. I Think Quality is more important than adding a medicore stepping stone program like Dayton, st louis or UMass. Look at rutgers. That was a Completely worthless move by The big 10. I would put VCU a step above those programs, but I don’t disagree with the sentiment. Merely commenting because I think VCU gets shortchanged in how consistently good they’ve been. Plus I think Rhoades is an excellent coach.
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