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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 9, 2019 16:26:32 GMT -5
Now, that would be a huge step down. Howard hasn't been above the top 300 in KenPom since 2003. MEAC is one of the worst conferences in Division I basketball. Recruiting would be entirely different than what JT3 was accustomed to, even at Princeton. I guess it would be low pressure, though...Unless he wanted to stay in DC at all costs, I cannot imagine why he would do this. Sure, it's debatable whether he can get a Power 5 job, but there's a huge way from that to MEAC.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 9, 2019 16:40:52 GMT -5
If this is true, I hope he's able to land the job there.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 9, 2019 16:43:05 GMT -5
Now, that would be a huge step down. Howard hasn't been above the top 300 in KenPom since 2003. MEAC is one of the worst conferences in Division I basketball. Recruiting would be entirely different than what JT3 was accustomed to, even at Princeton. I guess it would be low pressure, though...Unless he wanted to stay in DC at all costs, I cannot imagine why he would do this. Sure, it's debatable whether he can get a Power 5 job, but there's a huge way from that to MEAC. I think he'll do fine if he does go to HU. Let him stay there for about 3 yrs or so, and then perhaps make a move elsewhere.
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Post by guru on Apr 9, 2019 17:19:35 GMT -5
Now, that would be a huge step down. Howard hasn't been above the top 300 in KenPom since 2003. MEAC is one of the worst conferences in Division I basketball. Recruiting would be entirely different than what JT3 was accustomed to, even at Princeton. I guess it would be low pressure, though...Unless he wanted to stay in DC at all costs, I cannot imagine why he would do this. Sure, it's debatable whether he can get a Power 5 job, but there's a huge way from that to MEAC. Actually it’s not debatable whether he can get a Power 5 job. At the moment, he can not. This would be a good spot for him to rebuild his coaching rep
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 9, 2019 17:41:16 GMT -5
He should take it in a second. Howard is a top 2 team in the MEAC next year. He could make the tournament year 1 and have a nice recruiting class.
And in year 2, he'll get a #15 seed and beat #2 seeded Georgetown in the first round because the universe can't help itself.
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Post by SirSaxa on Apr 9, 2019 18:16:34 GMT -5
He should take it in a second. Howard is a top 2 team in the MEAC next year. He could make the tournament year 1 and have a nice recruiting class. And in year 2, he'll get a #15 seed and beat #2 seeded Georgetown in the first round because the universe can't help itself. No Giga no!! Say it ain't so!
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 9, 2019 20:18:43 GMT -5
He should take it in a second. Howard is a top 2 team in the MEAC next year. He could make the tournament year 1 and have a nice recruiting class. And in year 2, he'll get a #15 seed and beat #2 seeded Georgetown in the first round because the universe can't help itself. RJ Cole declared for the draft. I don’t follow the MEAC but hard to say it’s a top 2 team at this point.
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Post by vv83 on Apr 9, 2019 21:05:54 GMT -5
He should take it in a second. Howard is a top 2 team in the MEAC next year. He could make the tournament year 1 and have a nice recruiting class. And in year 2, he'll get a #15 seed and beat #2 seeded Georgetown in the first round because the universe can't help itself. RJ Cole declared for the draft. I don’t follow the MEAC but hard to say it’s a top 2 team at this point. Cole said he is not hiring an agent, and leaving open the path to returning to Howard. He may well want to get feedback from NBA scouts as much as anything. I have not seen him listed on any mock draft sites. Unless he really wants to start making money playing pro basketball somewhere, I would be kind of surprised if he did not end up back at Howard for his junior year. But lots of guys these days leave college even though they have little chance of getting drafted, so who knows?
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Post by jwp91 on Apr 9, 2019 21:43:29 GMT -5
It depends on how much he values his family being in DC and not uprooting themselves. If that is meaningful, Howard is a great opportunity. If not, keep looking.
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Post by kghoya on Apr 10, 2019 0:40:37 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Apr 12, 2019 23:17:51 GMT -5
Lakers head coaching job opening up... rumor has it that JT3 is a leading candidate...
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Post by tashoya on Apr 12, 2019 23:31:43 GMT -5
Now, that would be a huge step down. Howard hasn't been above the top 300 in KenPom since 2003. MEAC is one of the worst conferences in Division I basketball. Recruiting would be entirely different than what JT3 was accustomed to, even at Princeton. I guess it would be low pressure, though...Unless he wanted to stay in DC at all costs, I cannot imagine why he would do this. Sure, it's debatable whether he can get a Power 5 job, but there's a huge way from that to MEAC. Step down? It depends upon which metric you're measuring. JT3 doesn't need money. Maybe, it's about more than basketball. If this is a legit thing (though one poster, fairly definitively, says it's not), it makes some sense. He doesn't have to uproot his family and it's a HBC which is sort of a logical step in terms of his family's work through BB, especially in the DC area. Personally, I like the thought of it. I had my issues with JT3's coaching at the BE level in his last few years but I respected the way he conducted his business and how he stressed both ball and school. With the competitive expectations a little lower, I love the idea of what he can do with a team both on and off the floor. Not to mention, his system is built to make less athletic teams more competitive with more athletic ones. Play smarter, less iso/unstructured. The more I think about it, the more I hope he is getting that offer.
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Post by caip on Apr 15, 2019 14:50:44 GMT -5
If it was Esh decision to make. Let's give the NM State AD the benefit of the doubt and assume he realized that he had much better candidates out there. Their success from that point on is impressive. Reggie Theus got the job in 2006. He stayed there two years and left for Cal-State Northridge, where he was 53-105 and was fired after a 6-24 finish in 2018. New Mexico State is a decent program in what is arguably one of the worst conferences in the nation (the WAC). The Mountain West doesn't want them and they don't fit in the Southland or Big Sky footprints. (NM State used to play football in the Sun Belt but were asked to leave, so they now play as a I-A independent.) In basketball, they get a lot of conference wins and seven NCAA bids in the last eight but all were first round losses--this year they lost by one to Auburn. Does Reggie Theus's record at Northridge have anything to do with my post? He went there because he was 25-9 in his second year at NM St - you know the school that the AD at NM St was concerned about. At the time of the hiring, NM St was coming off 13-14 and 6-24 seasons. Theus then went 16-14 and 24-9 beginning the return to the NCAAs that you mention. I'd say the AD did a great job in ignoring Esh's "application".
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Post by njhoya78 on May 2, 2019 9:01:31 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 2, 2019 9:19:17 GMT -5
Hmm, maybe JT3 is willing to wait out one more year. Then pursue coaching starting next season, or stick with color commentary on FS1.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 2, 2019 9:35:19 GMT -5
Hmm, maybe JT3 is willing to wait out one more year. Then pursue coaching starting next season, or stick with color commentary on FS1. Merely a guess, but I'm thinking JT3 wasn't willing to go coach at a school outside of the Power 6. That may well limit his opportunity next year as well, if he holds fast to that position. Broadcasting may be looking like a more permanent location at this point.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on May 2, 2019 10:05:38 GMT -5
With this story line on Howard I am reminded of the scene between Ari and Vinnie Chase in Entourage - and yes, I am aware that show isn't aging well in the Me-Too era - where Ari throws a bunch of motley scrips at Vince and says, "The story here is these directors thought THEY HAD A CHANCE TO GET YOU TO BE IN THEIR MOVIE" - To other posters points, JT III may not get a shot at a power 6 job, in particular when former NBA assistants are now entering the mix every year for these jobs, which is a relatively new phenomemon
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 2, 2019 10:11:38 GMT -5
To put this in perspective, there are 32 basketball conferences. Whether you use KenPom, RPI, or NET, the top 7 conferences are the "Power 5," the Big East, and AAC. The Pac 12 was actually the 7th ranked under all those metrics this past season.
Howard is in MEAC, which under all those rankings was the absolute worst conference. For perspective, the Ivy League is was 12th of 32, Conference USA was 16th of 32, and the Patriot league was 21st of 32. I wouldn't take much away from JT3 not taking the Howard job, considering it's the worst conference in the country, with very little upside. It's easy to see how being an announcer for ESPN would be considered a more desirable gig than that (and maybe even pay more money).
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 2, 2019 10:13:45 GMT -5
Hmm, maybe JT3 is willing to wait out one more year. Then pursue coaching starting next season, or stick with color commentary on FS1. Merely a guess, but I'm thinking JT3 wasn't willing to go coach at a school outside of the Power 6. That may well limit his opportunity next year as well, if he holds fast to that position. Broadcasting may be looking like a more permanent location at this point. At some point he may not even get the call for broadcasting. The longer someone stays out of the business, the less relevant they become.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 2, 2019 10:46:33 GMT -5
To put this in perspective, there are 32 basketball conferences. Whether you use KenPom, RPI, or NET, the top 7 conferences are the "Power 5," the Big East, and AAC. The Pac 12 was actually the 7th ranked under all those metrics this past season. Howard is in MEAC, which under all those rankings was the absolute worst conference. For perspective, the Ivy League is was 12th of 32, Conference USA was 16th of 32, and the Patriot league was 21st of 32. I wouldn't take much away from JT3 not taking the Howard job, considering it's the worst conference in the country, with very little upside. It's easy to see how being an announcer for ESPN would be considered a more desirable gig than that (and maybe even pay more money). When I wrote about the Power 6...I forgot about the Pac 12.
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