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Post by guru on Feb 10, 2019 18:47:17 GMT -5
For someone who claims to understand the math, you certainly don’t seem to understand it very well. You are suggesting that I thought in the range of possible outcomes that Butler couldn’t win. [Edited insult] One game does not prove KenPom right or wrong. You’re taking my post too literally, and without the intended sarcasm. Of course I know that, considering that I’ve written it in this very thread. And explained that exact point multiple times. You’re right. It was one game which is essentially meaningless on its own to the bigger point, either way. I realize my post came across as petty, and I apologize for that (probably shouldn’t have made it), but I just found it humorous how insistent you were about it, only to have your prediction be way off. But again, I probably shouldn’t have even posted. And I seriously hope you’re right that we are better than the models say. I really think this team has 9-9 potential and I would like to see that happen. The Butler result just makes it harder. As for your insult, keep it classy. Once again, this poster has to explain what he actually meant the first time. The board would be saved so much clutter if the poster made a cogent point in a single post instead of spread across several. And if he rooted for the Hoyas as hard as he roots for KenPom.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 10, 2019 18:49:21 GMT -5
You’re taking my post too literally, and without the intended sarcasm. Of course I know that, considering that I’ve written it in this very thread. And explained that exact point multiple times. You’re right. It was one game which is essentially meaningless on its own to the bigger point, either way. I realize my post came across as petty, and I apologize for that (probably shouldn’t have made it), but I just found it humorous how insistent you were about it, only to have your prediction be way off. But again, I probably shouldn’t have even posted. And I seriously hope you’re right that we are better than the models say. I really think this team has 9-9 potential and I would like to see that happen. The Butler result just makes it harder. As for your insult, keep it classy. Once again, this poster has to explain what he actually meant the first time. The board would be saved so much clutter if the poster made a cogent point in a single post instead of spread across several. And if he rooted for the Hoyas as hard as he roots for KenPom. There would also be a lot less clutter if you didn’t feel a need to respond this way to everything I post. In retrospect, my original post above today was silly so I’m going to delete it. I’m done with this and apologize to everyone else for having to read it and the ensuing silly responses. My bad.
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Post by guru on Feb 10, 2019 18:59:29 GMT -5
Once again, this poster has to explain what he actually meant the first time. The board would be saved so much clutter if the poster made a cogent point in a single post instead of spread across several. And if he rooted for the Hoyas as hard as he roots for KenPom. There would also be a lot less clutter if you didn’t feel a need to respond this way to everything I post. In retrospect, my original post above today was silly so I’m going to delete it. I’m done with this and apologize to everyone else for having to read it and the ensuing silly responses. My bad. Is this still “clearly” the worst Hoyas team since 2004?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 10, 2019 23:20:10 GMT -5
Is this still “clearly” the worst Hoyas team since 2004? No. The 2018 team was the worst since 2004, and in the last month or so, this team has improved enough to show it's better than last year's team. How much remains to be seen.
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Post by BigmanU on Feb 11, 2019 11:22:25 GMT -5
Was anyone able to record this game? My cable must have went out when I was at my son's basketball game. I can only find the highlights online and apparently MASN wasn't doing replays. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2019 12:14:50 GMT -5
Is this still “clearly” the worst Hoyas team since 2004? No. The 2018 team was the worst since 2004, and in the last month or so, this team has improved enough to show it's better than last year's team. How much remains to be seen. That’s true. JT3 left quite a mess. It’s amazing how hard it is for you to admit that this program is moving in the right direction. I’m not sure what your angle is.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2019 12:22:57 GMT -5
Is this still “clearly” the worst Hoyas team since 2004? No. The 2018 team was the worst since 2004, and in the last month or so, this team has improved enough to show it's better than last year's team. How much remains to be seen. No poster moves the goalposts quite so often. At least you admit in this instance how wrong you were.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2019 14:41:24 GMT -5
No. The 2018 team was the worst since 2004, and in the last month or so, this team has improved enough to show it's better than last year's team. How much remains to be seen. No poster moves the goalposts quite so often. At least you admit in this instance how wrong you were. You say it's hard for me to admit the program is moving in the right direction...just as I say we have improved this year? I am not sure what your angle is, but a few things: (1) I have no problem admitting I am wrong when I am wrong. I've done it multiple times on HoyaTalk. This is not one of those instances, though. (2) On January 22, I said: "Pretty much by any metric, this is the worst team since 2004. It remains to be seen whether this team will do better than last year's but right now it's not looking good. But, there's a lot of season remaining." I stand by that post, because as of the date I posted it, it was true. Perhaps you missed the part that said, "But, there's a lot of season remaining"? Since then, a few things have happened: (a) McClung has been really good and improved from the OOC and pre-injury, (b) LeBlanc has continued to be fantastic and logged a lot of minutes, (c) Trey Mourning's minutes have been much diminished since his injury, and (d) overall we've shot threes better in conference play than in the OOC. Those things have resulted in our team getting better. As a result, I am also more optimistic now than I was then. As I said in another thread, I think the NIT is a real possibility now, whereas I wouldn't have thought so a month ago. You may call it moving the goalposts. I call it recognizing that the team has improved, considering new informaton, and that is why I think we have a better team as of February 11 than we did in January. Generally from reading HoyaTalk, it seems like a general consensus that we've gotten better over the last month or so, so I would hardly call this a hot take or controversial. (3) While I definitely think this year's team is better than last year's for the reasons above, we are young team trying to work through things, which means at times we can look really good, and others not so much. I think something like 9-9 or 8-10 is very feasible, and it would definitely be an improvement and a good step in the right direction. An NIT bid would be a fantastic outcome considering where we started.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2019 15:53:30 GMT -5
No poster moves the goalposts quite so often. At least you admit in this instance how wrong you were. You say it's hard for me to admit the program is moving in the right direction...just as I say we have improved this year? I am not sure what your angle is, but a few things: (1) I have no problem admitting I am wrong when I am wrong. I've done it multiple times on HoyaTalk. This is not one of those instances, though. (2) On January 22, I said: "Pretty much by any metric, this is the worst team since 2004. It remains to be seen whether this team will do better than last year's but right now it's not looking good. But, there's a lot of season remaining." I stand by that post, because as of the date I posted it, it was true. Perhaps you missed the part that said, "But, there's a lot of season remaining"? Since then, a few things have happened: (a) McClung has been really good and improved from the OOC and pre-injury, (b) LeBlanc has continued to be fantastic and logged a lot of minutes, (c) Trey Mourning's minutes have been much diminished since his injury, and (d) overall we've shot threes better in conference play than in the OOC. Those things have resulted in our team getting better. As a result, I am also more optimistic now than I was then. As I said in another thread, I think the NIT is a real possibility now, whereas I wouldn't have thought so a month ago. You may call it moving the goalposts. I call it recognizing that the team has improved, considering new informaton, and that is why I think we have a better team as of February 11 than we did in January. Generally from reading HoyaTalk, it seems like a general consensus that we've gotten better over the last month or so, so I would hardly call this a hot take or controversial. (3) While I definitely think this year's team is better than last year's for the reasons above, we are young team trying to work through things, which means at times we can look really good, and others not so much. I think something like 9-9 or 8-10 is very feasible, and it would definitely be an improvement and a good step in the right direction. An NIT bid would be a fantastic outcome considering where we started. I honestly can't even make it all the way through your long-winded, repetitive, data-twisting and -misinterpreting posts, but I made it to your first point: exactly how were you not wrong (ie, correct) when you repeatedly banged your drum to any optimists that the current team is "clearly" the worst Georgetown team since 2004. I believe you've already said that that statement was incorrect. ie, wrong.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 11, 2019 16:01:02 GMT -5
I honestly can't even make it all the way through your long-winded, repetitive, data-twisting and -misinterpreting posts, but I made it to your first point: exactly how were you not wrong (ie, correct) when you repeatedly banged your drum to any optimists that the current team is "clearly" the worst Georgetown team since 2004. I believe you've already said that that statement was incorrect. ie, wrong. Your refusal to read my response, combined with your attempt at insulting my posts is very telling of where you are really coming from on this. Now you're just trolling. I am done with this.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 11, 2019 21:10:42 GMT -5
The game was not televised in LA (!!!), so I ended up following it on the computer. I don't know why we seem to play better on the road than at home. Beat St. John's on the road, lost at home (thanks, refs); beat Butler on the road, lost at home; were fortunate to beat Providence at home, beat them fairly handily on the road. That may bode well for our games at Creighton and Marquette, but does not bode well for the Nova rematch.
We had chances to tie late, and couldn't convert. James has to start making some shots at some point, doesn't he? And we are seeing too many bad games from Govan. But hey, it could be worse. At least we didn't blow a 22 point lead with 12 minutes to play or 13 with three minutes to play.
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Post by HoyaDr on May 3, 2019 17:32:22 GMT -5
Love that his bro is also sporting some Hoya swag. Need more of the local kids to hop on board the Georgetown express... Why isn't Monroe on Qs t-shirt?
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 3, 2019 18:22:51 GMT -5
Love that his bro is also sporting some Hoya swag. Need more of the local kids to hop on board the Georgetown express... Why isn't Monroe on Qs t-shirt? It's the tshirt from this year's gray out game. It's super cool, but certainly missing some Hoya greats (Reggie Williams, Greg Monroe, Mike Sweetney, and others). https://www.instagram.com/p/Btov9Z_giHg
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 3, 2019 21:21:01 GMT -5
Reggie the most glaring omission. Nice shirt though
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Post by hoyazeke on May 3, 2019 21:46:35 GMT -5
Reggie the most glaring omission. Nice shirt though Definitely Reggie over Deke, Hibbs and maybe Zo.....Otto is relevant to today's youth but Reggie over Otto also based off career....
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Post by deacon on May 3, 2019 21:47:06 GMT -5
Reggie the most glaring omission. Nice shirt though I have no idea how he doesn’t get included on a shirt like that. Sheesh.
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Post by Elvado on May 4, 2019 6:08:19 GMT -5
Reggie the most glaring omission. Nice shirt though I have no idea how he doesn’t get included on a shirt like that. Sheesh. Regency bias at its worst...
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 4, 2019 11:40:30 GMT -5
I think the answer is quite simple why Reggie Williams was omitted. The short answer is relevancy. You and I may have very fond and vivid memories of Williams. However, to today's youth, and perhaps to whoever created the shirt, Williams is not well-known like Ewing, Grahm, Mutombo, Mourning, Iverson, Green, Porter, etc.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 4, 2019 13:10:45 GMT -5
I think the answer is quite simple why Reggie Williams was omitted. The short answer is relevancy. You and I may have very fond and vivid memories of Williams. However, to today's youth, and perhaps to whoever created the shirt, Williams is not well-known like Ewing, Grahm, Mutombo, Mourning, Iverson, Green, Porter, etc. Yes, but Duren and Floyd are deeper pulls than Reggie. Williams should be on that shirt along with Big Sky imho.
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Post by blueandgray on May 4, 2019 13:23:46 GMT -5
Reggie over Duren for sure. Reggie was a national star in college but faded quickly in the pros. Sleepy was an nba all star.
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