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Post by jwp91 on Jan 3, 2019 6:37:32 GMT -5
Mac is coming off an akle sprain that has caused him to miss 2 games. He may not immediately have the mobility we saw when he scored 38. Meanwhile, we found something that worked. We would be fools to ignore it.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Jan 3, 2019 7:01:11 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Mac but anyone insisting his reinsertion in starting lineup hasnt watched the last two games. This team has looked night and day better on both side of the ball with Greg and Josh starting. Mac's scoring and energy on the second line will be a huge asset. He can still play 25+ mins a game and should cut into Akinjo's mins (and Blair/Mosley) if anything. Greg and Leblanc may be our two best players right now and need to see 30+ mins a game. Very impressed with Greg's passing as well. Dude has vision. This team may have a bit of hope after all, which is something that was teetering with Trey and low efficiency Mac starting.
Consider me in the middle on the coach debate. Not convinced he would have ever found this lineup without the injuries.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Jan 3, 2019 7:06:06 GMT -5
I think he's very likely to put Mac back in the starting lineup. He's said over and over again how important the Frosh's collective development is. I think you'll see Greg as the sixth man and (if it we're me) he'd come in as quickly as needed for whichever of the two guards seems to need some downtime.
If he puts Trey back in the starting lineup? Well, I won't really understand that one.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 3, 2019 8:02:16 GMT -5
C'mon 4Ever you know me better than that, it's not about Malinowski, it's about how the combo of Govan, Leblanc, Picket, Malinowski & Akinjo mesh together... Mac is and will be a big part of this year's team but seeing the way the offense/defense has clicked in these past two games makes it a pretty easy choice in my view... As well as the team played against Howard is hard to guage anything from that game. Tonight the team played well via a great game plan and Malinowski stepped up like the insurance policy he is. Does he deserve a lot more minutes...absolutely, but replacing McClung in the starting lineup when his last appearance he scored 38 is ridiculous. Coach Ewing had already began to stagger McClung and Akinjo's minutes. Probably continues that tactic even more if Malinowski can continue to perform at a high level. Malinowski gives Coach Ewing and the staff tremendous flexibility while also allowing the freshmen to grow together... It’s not just about Mac and Malinowksi, we have to add in LeBlanc as well... The team went from having two ball stoppers, to two ball movers. I was pleasantly surprised by how well the team played against Howard, last night was another big step in the right direction in my view... Even if Greg wasn’t hot, I would feel this way, the team flow just looks better... Mac will still get plenty of time on the court...
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 3, 2019 8:15:23 GMT -5
This also isn't about Mac scoring 38 points in his last game. By the way, we went into overtime in that game against a team we should have beat by 15 to 20 points. This is about matchups and lineups. I still have Mac getting 20 to 25 minutes per game but I'm taking away approximately 8-10 minutes of his time together with Akinjo on the floor away as right now their games/mindset aren't mature enough to be on the court together as much as they have been and us win the games we need in the Big East to have a successful season that is going to continue to improve our recruiting. This isn't a forever thing but we have posters who act like our least efficient offensive player is heads and tails above the other options and that just isn't the case. There is more to this game then just how many points a player scores. I think this team is better suited to compete and win with Mac coming off the bench at the under 16 minute timeout of both halves and playing at least until the under 8 minute timeout. That is 16 minutes and then he scoops up some minutes on the court after the under 4 minute in both halves based on how he is playing. Winning this season will be big for the recruiting process and we will need it if we want to compete consistently for Big East crowns and tournament success. This is a competitive year in the Big East and we have a chance to use our depth to be as successful as we can now to build more momentum for the program or we can just subscribe to this "play for the future" mentality that is about as foolish as it gets in today's college athletics arena.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Jan 3, 2019 8:34:00 GMT -5
The fact that there is a lively discussion about who should start, and that we have options, is refreshing. Whether he starts or not, Malinowski needs to play 20 plus minutes.
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Post by DownTownJoeyBrown on Jan 3, 2019 8:44:37 GMT -5
The fact that there is a lively discussion about who should start, and that we have options, is refreshing. Whether he starts or not, Malinowski needs to play 230 plus minutes. Fixed this for you Agree it's great to have options and hope heading into Big East play!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 3, 2019 9:52:34 GMT -5
If he puts Trey back in the starting lineup? Well, I won't really understand that one. If he puts Trey back in the starting lineup the only “logical” reason would be that he is Alonzo’s son, and that would be a ridiculous reason to start him. LeBlanc deserves it and the team is far better with him on the court. It’s not even close.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 3, 2019 10:45:12 GMT -5
Speaking of lineups, did anybody else notice the sort of odd lineup we had in the first half that I think was Mosely-Blair-Johnson-Pickett-Carter? I don't think that's one we will see very often.
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 3, 2019 10:46:09 GMT -5
Speaking of lineups, did anybody else notice the sort of odd lineup we had in the first half that I think was Mosely-Blair-Johnson-Pickett-Carter? I don't think that's one we will see very often. You mean the line-up that lost a 8 point lead in 4 minutes? Yea, I noticed. Please let’s not see it again. Maybe Mac gives that group enough scoring punch. Otherwise it was rough.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 3, 2019 10:48:04 GMT -5
Speaking of lineups, did anybody else notice the sort of odd lineup we had in the first half that I think was Mosely-Blair-Johnson-Pickett-Carter? I don't think that's one we will see very often. You mean the line-up that lost a 8 point lead in 4 minutes? Yea, I noticed. Please let’s not see it again. Maybe Mac gives that group enough scoring punch. Otherwise it was rough. I agree. That lineup is way too weak offensively to be out there. I am sure it was to give Govan and LeBlanc a breather, but ideally I would want to see them on the bench separately, rather than resting both simultaneously.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 3, 2019 12:31:00 GMT -5
Speaking of lineups, did anybody else notice the sort of odd lineup we had in the first half that I think was Mosely-Blair-Johnson-Pickett-Carter? I don't think that's one we will see very often. This lineup is why Mac coming off the bench should be an easy solution. Plug him in this lineup instead of Pickett and he can get all the shots he wants which should keep him happy for being "benched". The defense will be dreadful but at least it has a chance to score.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 3, 2019 12:32:30 GMT -5
I agree with EtomicB comments here, the five that started these last two games should be the starting lineup moving forward. It’s about the five man unit that fit together the best. Mac should be subbing in for Akinjo (as backup PG) so that we always have a guard that can penetrate and make something happen. I like the minutes distribution from tonight as the model for moving forward with Mac carving out 15 min (from Akinjo, mosely, Blair). Mourning takes Carter’s backup C minutes and that’s it. Gotta love knee jerk reactions from fans after one good game. The Lakers played much better in the Christmas game against the Warriors when Lebron was off the floor vs on it. Perhaps when he comes back from injury they should consider moving him to the bench as well? The team certainly played well tonight, but how often are you expecting a career 6.5 ppg scorer from William & Mary to give you 26 pts? Most nights, even as a starter, he's probably going to give you 6-10 points or so, and an 8 point win like this is suddenly an 8 point loss. I won't argue with consistency, maybe Mac misses 4 or 5 more games with the ankle injury and the current starting 5 wins every game, at that point, sure this is a conversation to entertain. One game on the other hand is just that, one game. Please don't bring the Howard game into it... that was the weakest team along with MD Eastern Shore that Georgetown played all year. Even this Butler team is not exactly setting the hoops world on fire... they're coming off a 34 point loss to Florida for christ's sake. The fickle nature of some fans is unreal. Mac drops 38 and he's the next AI and the future of Georgetown basketball. Misses 2 games with injury which the team wins and suddenly the team is pretty much better off without him. I'm curious... if he misses 3 more games and the team gets blown out in all of them, should he still come off the bench or get his starting spot back when he returns? Or on the flip side, what if he comes off the bench in the next 3 games and the team gets blown out in all of them? Should he be removed from the rotation all together since clearly he must be the reason for the losses, or does he keep his "15 minutes" off the bench? Who says the team is better off without him?? Nice strawman. This team is clearly much better with Mac. The last two games just gave a lot of us a picture of something we've been seeing for quite some time. Mac and Akinjo on the court stifle ball movement (which isn't bad, but it's because their skills require the ball in their hands). Mac and Akinjo on the court are a short defensive back court. Our bench line-up is pretty bad (a bunch of glue guys and potential guys); giving them a guy that can break down opposing defenses off the dribble (either James or Mac) makes that line-up better. If we have Mac this game, we don't lose that early lead, he puts his foot down when he comes into the game and keeps them on their heels. Even before the season started, my ideal line-ups had Mac leading the second team. He knows how to work with lesser players. He's actually pretty good at setting up teammates for open shots (would help Blair). His defensive tenacity and athleticism would be on display against the other team's back-ups. Finally, this is all about starting the game. In crunch time, I'm sure that you'd get a 90%+ agreement that the line-up should include Mac (i.e. James, Mac, Greg, Josh, Jessie).
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Post by HOYAPLAYA on Jan 3, 2019 12:39:12 GMT -5
Gotta love knee jerk reactions from fans after one good game. The Lakers played much better in the Christmas game against the Warriors when Lebron was off the floor vs on it. Perhaps when he comes back from injury they should consider moving him to the bench as well? The team certainly played well tonight, but how often are you expecting a career 6.5 ppg scorer from William & Mary to give you 26 pts? Most nights, even as a starter, he's probably going to give you 6-10 points or so, and an 8 point win like this is suddenly an 8 point loss. I won't argue with consistency, maybe Mac misses 4 or 5 more games with the ankle injury and the current starting 5 wins every game, at that point, sure this is a conversation to entertain. One game on the other hand is just that, one game. Please don't bring the Howard game into it... that was the weakest team along with MD Eastern Shore that Georgetown played all year. Even this Butler team is not exactly setting the hoops world on fire... they're coming off a 34 point loss to Florida for christ's sake. The fickle nature of some fans is unreal. Mac drops 38 and he's the next AI and the future of Georgetown basketball. Misses 2 games with injury which the team wins and suddenly the team is pretty much better off without him. I'm curious... if he misses 3 more games and the team gets blown out in all of them, should he still come off the bench or get his starting spot back when he returns? Or on the flip side, what if he comes off the bench in the next 3 games and the team gets blown out in all of them? Should he be removed from the rotation all together since clearly he must be the reason for the losses, or does he keep his "15 minutes" off the bench? Who says the team is better off without him?? Nice strawman. This team is clearly much better with Mac. The last two games just gave a lot of us a picture of something we've been seeing for quite some time. Mac and Akinjo on the court stifle ball movement (which isn't bad, but it's because their skills require the ball in their hands). Mac and Akinjo on the court are a short defensive back court. Our bench line-up is pretty bad (a bunch of glue guys and potential guys); giving them a guy that can break down opposing defenses off the dribble (either James or Mac) makes that line-up better. If we have Mac this game, we don't lose that early lead, he puts his foot down when he comes into the game and keeps them on their heels. Even before the season started, my ideal line-ups had Mac leading the second team. He knows how to work with lesser players. He's actually pretty good at setting up teammates for open shots (would help Blair). His defensive tenacity and athleticism would be on display against the other team's back-ups. Finally, this is all about starting the game. In crunch time, I'm sure that you'd get a 90%+ agreement that the line-up should include Mac (i.e. James, Mac, Greg, Josh, Jessie). Well said! It's about maximizing your team output for the 40 minutes.
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Post by SirSaxa on Jan 3, 2019 12:39:41 GMT -5
Finally, this is all about starting the game. In crunch time, I'm sure that you'd get a 90%+ agreement that the line-up should include Mac (i.e. James, Mac, Greg, Josh, Jessie). I would agree with that lineup on O, but end of games are prime opportunities to sub for O and D, which Coach has been doing more and more of recently.
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Post by wnyhoya on Jan 3, 2019 12:47:25 GMT -5
Finally, this is all about starting the game. In crunch time, I'm sure that you'd get a 90%+ agreement that the line-up should include Mac (i.e. James, Mac, Greg, Josh, Jessie). I would agree with that lineup on O, but end of games are prime opportunities to sub for O and D, which Coach has been doing more and more of recently. Agreed and this is where I’d maybe go offense defense with Mac and Jamorko
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Post by sleepy on Jan 3, 2019 13:24:12 GMT -5
I don't think starting line-up matters. Keep Mac in the starting line-up and then bring Greg is ASAP for whoever is struggling the most between Akinjo, Mac, and Pickett. Bring in everyone else as needed for rest or match up purposes. This isn't a first team second team thing. Majority of minutes should be decided upon during the game based on who is playing well together.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 3, 2019 15:08:03 GMT -5
I don't think starting line-up matters. Keep Mac in the starting line-up and then bring Greg is ASAP for whoever is struggling the most between Akinjo, Mac, and Pickett. Bring in everyone else as needed for rest or match up purposes. This isn't a first team second team thing. Majority of minutes should be decided upon during the game based on who is playing well together. My main issue with the team right now is when we see lineups like Moseley, Blair, Pickett, X, Carter. I do think Pat will go with what you are saying but I think that when Jessie, James, and Josh are getting breaks it would be good to have someone in there that demands the ball and is fresh, not a Mac that has been playing since tip.
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Post by cgallstar02 on Jan 3, 2019 17:39:11 GMT -5
Gotta love knee jerk reactions from fans after one good game. The Lakers played much better in the Christmas game against the Warriors when Lebron was off the floor vs on it. Perhaps when he comes back from injury they should consider moving him to the bench as well? The team certainly played well tonight, but how often are you expecting a career 6.5 ppg scorer from William & Mary to give you 26 pts? Most nights, even as a starter, he's probably going to give you 6-10 points or so, and an 8 point win like this is suddenly an 8 point loss. I won't argue with consistency, maybe Mac misses 4 or 5 more games with the ankle injury and the current starting 5 wins every game, at that point, sure this is a conversation to entertain. One game on the other hand is just that, one game. Please don't bring the Howard game into it... that was the weakest team along with MD Eastern Shore that Georgetown played all year. Even this Butler team is not exactly setting the hoops world on fire... they're coming off a 34 point loss to Florida for christ's sake. The fickle nature of some fans is unreal. Mac drops 38 and he's the next AI and the future of Georgetown basketball. Misses 2 games with injury which the team wins and suddenly the team is pretty much better off without him. I'm curious... if he misses 3 more games and the team gets blown out in all of them, should he still come off the bench or get his starting spot back when he returns? Or on the flip side, what if he comes off the bench in the next 3 games and the team gets blown out in all of them? Should he be removed from the rotation all together since clearly he must be the reason for the losses, or does he keep his "15 minutes" off the bench? Who says the team is better off without him?? Nice strawman. This team is clearly much better with Mac. The last two games just gave a lot of us a picture of something we've been seeing for quite some time. Mac and Akinjo on the court stifle ball movement (which isn't bad, but it's because their skills require the ball in their hands). Mac and Akinjo on the court are a short defensive back court. Our bench line-up is pretty bad (a bunch of glue guys and potential guys); giving them a guy that can break down opposing defenses off the dribble (either James or Mac) makes that line-up better. If we have Mac this game, we don't lose that early lead, he puts his foot down when he comes into the game and keeps them on their heels. Even before the season started, my ideal line-ups had Mac leading the second team. He knows how to work with lesser players. He's actually pretty good at setting up teammates for open shots (would help Blair). His defensive tenacity and athleticism would be on display against the other team's back-ups. Finally, this is all about starting the game. In crunch time, I'm sure that you'd get a 90%+ agreement that the line-up should include Mac (i.e. James, Mac, Greg, Josh, Jessie). I guess I'm just confused about this whole notion of "Mac leading the second team." Does Georgetown do wholesale substitutions of 5 for 5? Govan averages 31 mpg, Akinjo 30. How many minutes of non garbage time a game are those 2 off the floor together? Maybe 3 or 4 at most? So who exactly is this second team Mac is leading? Even coming off the bench, he would almost certainly be on the floor with 2-3 starters most if not all of his minutes. I also love this idea that since Mac is coming off the bench he can just come in the game and start jacking up shots. I don't think it works like that. You don't just suddenly get a green light cus you're coming off the bench. You have to continue to play the game the right way weather you're starting or coming off the bench. The biggest thing Mac needs to work on in his game is his decision making skills and shot selection. Telling him he's going to be a designated gunner off the bench doesn't exactly help him in that area. And are you saying that Mac and Akinjo can't or shouldn't play together because of their height and shoot first mentality? It's pretty obvious to me that they are the two most talented guards on the roster. I think it's pretty important that they learn to play together... in fact that's a big part of Ewing's job as the coach... getting the most out of his best players. They are only going to learn to play together by actually playing together. So at what point are they allowed to start together again? Next season? Why not continue to figure it out this season? Or maybe they wait till next season... what if it happens again? Mac rolls an ankle and misses a few games... Mosely or Blair gets the start, the team plays great. Does he go back to the bench again next year? Just trying to figure out how all this works. I mean what if Akinjo goes down for a few games and Mac starts at PG, the team reels off 3 straight double digit wins. Is Akinjo moving to the bench now? You should've answered yes to both of those questions. Because that is the precedent you guys are trying to set. "Hey starters, don't miss a game with injury... if we win without you, you're not starting when you come back." I'm all for shaking things up if something's consistently not working. If Mac comes back into the starting lineup and the team looks like crap 4 or 5 games straight with Mac not playing well, then as a coach you need to consider a change. But to make a major change like that based off 1 game (I don't know how anyone can gauge anything off the Howard game) is an overreaction to the extreme.
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 4, 2019 13:06:53 GMT -5
Go back and look at the Mac recruiting thread. No one was more positive than me. I think he is a great freshman player, but if you told me I could exchange him in the line-up for a senior who was 6’6” and shot 50% from 3, 69% overall, and 86% from the free throw line and played decent defense, I would make that exchange in a heart beat. Still give him minutes. Make James and Mac compete to start at PG. Those aren’t one game aberrations...those are season to date percentages based on 221 minutes or about 2/3rds what Mac has played. Add in a 130 offensive rating and a 97 defensive rating.
How many times can I make this change?
What more do you want? Tom Cruise’s looks?
And it allows me to start a line-up that goes 6’6’ (Greg), 6’8” (Pickett), 6’7” (Leblanc), and 6’10” (Jesse)?!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Yes, a thousand time yes.
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