kbones17
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 19, 2018 18:52:19 GMT -5
Thread to discusss different lineups, not necessarily just starting 5 but which 5 work well in different game situations and vs certain upcoming opponents. I’d really like us to try out a lineup of: Akinjo, Malinowski, Pickett, Leblanc, Govan.
I don’t believe we’ve had this combination out there together much (if at all) due to Pickett and Malinowski seemingly being subbed for each other. I think this combo’s length could play solid defense against most opponents, and gets our three best 3 pt shooters on the floor together. Work it inside to Govan, kick it back to Pickett/Malinowski for three, and when all else fails let Akinjo work his magic late in the shot clock.
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Post by jwp91 on Dec 19, 2018 19:08:59 GMT -5
Yea....we tried a bunch of interesting line-ups last night including this one. And I think we have seen this line-up with Mosely instead of Akinjo which concerned me when I saw from a ball-handling perspective.
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Post by mdtd on Dec 19, 2018 19:30:58 GMT -5
Akinjo-Mac-Blair-Pickett-Govan Just a small lineup that can shoot. Defense could be an issue for sure but nonetheless something I'd try out. Or a James-Blair-Malinowski-LeBlanc-Govan which should be getting significantly more minutes as that has been a solid lineup imo (no numbers to back that up, just an opinion)
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 19, 2018 19:42:54 GMT -5
Thread to discusss different lineups, not necessarily just starting 5 but which 5 work well in different game situations and vs certain upcoming opponents. I’d really like us to try out a lineup of: Akinjo, Malinowski, Pickett, Leblanc, Govan. I don’t believe we’ve had this combination out there together much (if at all) due to Pickett and Malinowski seemingly being subbed for each other. I think this combo’s length could play solid defense against most opponents, and gets our three best 3 pt shooters on the floor together. Work it inside to Govan, kick it back to Pickett/Malinowski for three, and when all else fails let Akinjo work his magic late in the shot clock. In the second half this lineup was on the floor from 13:40 until 10:17. Scored two 3 pointers (Govan and Malinowski) and gave up three 2 pointers (two layups and a jumper). But I definitely like the potential of this lineup.
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Post by kbones17 on Dec 20, 2018 2:05:08 GMT -5
Thread to discusss different lineups, not necessarily just starting 5 but which 5 work well in different game situations and vs certain upcoming opponents. I’d really like us to try out a lineup of: Akinjo, Malinowski, Pickett, Leblanc, Govan. I don’t believe we’ve had this combination out there together much (if at all) due to Pickett and Malinowski seemingly being subbed for each other. I think this combo’s length could play solid defense against most opponents, and gets our three best 3 pt shooters on the floor together. Work it inside to Govan, kick it back to Pickett/Malinowski for three, and when all else fails let Akinjo work his magic late in the shot clock. In the second half this lineup was on the floor from 13:40 until 10:17. Scored two 3 pointers (Govan and Malinowski) and gave up three 2 pointers (two layups and a jumper). But I definitely like the potential of this lineup. Thanks LC! I went back to watch this portion of the game. I continue to like this combination. We scored two quick threes (Govan and Malinowski), missed two shots from point blank that we should have converted and Akinjo missed a couple of shots. On defense Govan was the culprit on two of the made baskets and the other Akinjo failed to stop the ball for an easy layup.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 20, 2018 9:59:59 GMT -5
I want hockey-like substitutions with myriad varieties of different players at different times. Not enough subs back and forth so far for my liking.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 20, 2018 10:09:28 GMT -5
Aside from the obvious lineups we should be playing that the metrics have shown, I'd also like to see Pat start employing some more offense-for-defense substitutions. For all his faults, JT3 was actually pretty good at using this to get stops, protect guys from foul trouble, etc. Think Pat needs to do this a little bit more especially in those situations where we either need a basket or need a stop.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2018 10:15:03 GMT -5
I want hockey-like substitutions with myriad varieties of different players at different times. Not enough subs back and forth so far for my liking. This would be a horrible idea. The team isn't good enough to go 10 deep and it would be very disruptive of the flow. Show me a modern successful college basketball team that regularly does this? I don't know of any, and even if some exist, it is a very small minority. You win games by playing your best players. In our case, that means heavy reliance on Govan, LeBlanc, Akinjo, and some combination of Pickett, McClung, Malinowski, and Blair. Mosely, Mourning, Johnson, and Carter with some spot minutes here and there. If anything, I think Ewing has been too wide with his substitutions, rather than not broad enough.
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 20, 2018 10:37:15 GMT -5
Aside from the obvious lineups we should be playing that the metrics have shown, I'd also like to see Pat start employing some more offense-for-defense substitutions. For all his faults, JT3 was actually pretty good at using this to get stops, protect guys from foul trouble, etc. Think Pat needs to do this a little bit more especially in those situations where we either need a basket or need a stop. The problem is you end up with guys like Mosley and Kaleb on offense during critical possessions after we’ve gotten the stop. That’s been problematic this year with getting the right guys back into the game.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 20, 2018 10:39:30 GMT -5
I agree that this team is not talented enough to go more than 6-7 deep. The problem is that our best offensive 5 also includes our worst defensive 5. Specifically Govan. I continue to believe that we really don't appreciate how much Govan's defensive weakness offsets his offensive numbers. For example if he lets a guy blow by him to score or out-rebound him to get a put back we assume that that is a negative two points. So if Govan scores an offensive two points it balances out . And if Govan scores more points than he allows on defense then we are ahead. But I think that every defensive miscue has more than a two point impact on the game. Specifically, PE obviously wants this team to run. But you can't run if you don't get defensive stops. So every defensive screw up has a corresponding negative impact on our offense greater than just the 2 points given up. I'll leave it our numbers people to quantify this impact but we have seen it in our OOC games. We can't put away obviously inferior teams because our defense reduces our offensive fast break opportunities and forces us to play a half court game. Our best OOC game was against Illinois because Illinois decided to run with us and so allowed us to play our preferred offensive game. This is going to be our problem gong forward this year and until Govan improves defensively, or PE figures out a defensive scheme that hides his defensive liabilities, or PE does the unthinkable and reduces Govan's pt we are going to have a tough sled in the BE.
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Post by sweetness on Dec 20, 2018 10:41:45 GMT -5
I just want Leblanc to play 40 mins every game.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Dec 20, 2018 10:45:59 GMT -5
Aside from the obvious lineups we should be playing that the metrics have shown, I'd also like to see Pat start employing some more offense-for-defense substitutions. For all his faults, JT3 was actually pretty good at using this to get stops, protect guys from foul trouble, etc. Think Pat needs to do this a little bit more especially in those situations where we either need a basket or need a stop. The problem is you end up with guys like Mosley and Kaleb on offense during critical possessions after we’ve gotten the stop. That’s been problematic this year with getting the right guys back into the game. Absolutely, and that's where you need the coach to know when to call timeout to get the right guys back in the game. Aside from the turnover issue, I see this as the best way we can maximize possessions. We just have to be smarter about it than we have been.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 20, 2018 11:20:40 GMT -5
I agree that this team is not talented enough to go more than 6-7 deep. The problem is that our best offensive 5 also includes our worst defensive 5. Specifically Govan. I continue to believe that we really don't appreciate how much Govan's defensive weakness offsets his offensive numbers. For example if he lets a guy blow by him to score or out-rebound him to get a put back we assume that that is a negative two points. So if Govan scores an offensive two points it balances out . And if Govan scores more points than he allows on defense then we are ahead. But I think that every defensive miscue has more than a two point impact on the game. Specifically, PE obviously wants this team to run. But you can't run if you don't get defensive stops. So every defensive screw up has a corresponding negative impact on our offense greater than just the 2 points given up. I'll leave it our numbers people to quantify this impact but we have seen it in our OOC games. We can't put away obviously inferior teams because our defense reduces our offensive fast break opportunities and forces us to play a half court game. Our best OOC game was against Illinois because Illinois decided to run with us and so allowed us to play our preferred offensive game. This is going to be our problem gong forward this year and until Govan improves defensively, or PE figures out a defensive scheme that hides his defensive liabilities, or PE does the unthinkable and reduces Govan's pt we are going to have a tough sled in the BE. There are advanced numbers that don't support this theory at all, is Govan a bad, even terrible defender, yes but his offensive output far outweighs his defensive liabilities... Here are the plus/minus(BPM) numbers for Gtown's rotation players, as bad as Govan may be on the defensive end, he needs to play as much as possible for this team to succeed... Govan = 6.8 LeBlanc = 8.7 Malinowski = 5.7 Pickett = 1.8 Mourning = -1 Mosely = -1.8 Blair = -2.0 Akinjo = -2.4 McClung = -4.5 www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2019.html?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#advanced
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 11:28:33 GMT -5
I'd like to see Picks play more 4 but it's largely inconsequential since this team is in my view a year away from having a legit shot at the tourney. Have to hope everyone returns, and Josh Mac and James make the Frosh to Soph jump...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 20, 2018 11:29:46 GMT -5
There are at least eleven guys who should be getting regular and appreciable minutes. I would love to see five or more substitutions in the first five minutes and keep it rolling.
Less timeouts and more subs!!!
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Post by drquigley on Dec 20, 2018 14:00:44 GMT -5
I agree that this team is not talented enough to go more than 6-7 deep. The problem is that our best offensive 5 also includes our worst defensive 5. Specifically Govan. I continue to believe that we really don't appreciate how much Govan's defensive weakness offsets his offensive numbers. For example if he lets a guy blow by him to score or out-rebound him to get a put back we assume that that is a negative two points. So if Govan scores an offensive two points it balances out . And if Govan scores more points than he allows on defense then we are ahead. But I think that every defensive miscue has more than a two point impact on the game. Specifically, PE obviously wants this team to run. But you can't run if you don't get defensive stops. So every defensive screw up has a corresponding negative impact on our offense greater than just the 2 points given up. I'll leave it our numbers people to quantify this impact but we have seen it in our OOC games. We can't put away obviously inferior teams because our defense reduces our offensive fast break opportunities and forces us to play a half court game. Our best OOC game was against Illinois because Illinois decided to run with us and so allowed us to play our preferred offensive game. This is going to be our problem gong forward this year and until Govan improves defensively, or PE figures out a defensive scheme that hides his defensive liabilities, or PE does the unthinkable and reduces Govan's pt we are going to have a tough sled in the BE. There are advanced numbers that don't support this theory at all, is Govan a bad, even terrible defender, yes but his offensive output far outweighs his defensive liabilities... Here are the plus/minus(BPM) numbers for Gtown's rotation players, as bad as Govan may be on the defensive end, he needs to play as much as possible for this team to succeed... Govan = 6.8 LeBlanc = 8.7 Malinowski = 5.7 Pickett = 1.8 Mourning = -1 Mosely = -1.8 Blair = -2.0 Akinjo = -2.4 McClung = -4.5 www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/georgetown/2019.html?sr&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=Share&utm_campaign=ShareTool#advancedI don't doubt the BPM numbers. The problem is that while it is easy to see how much Govan contributes offensively it is really hard to calculate how much his terrible defense hurts us. I'm suggesting that it is more than the obvious points allowed.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 20, 2018 14:33:31 GMT -5
Defensive BPM is not a great number. Does anyone have actual lineup +/-?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 20, 2018 14:43:37 GMT -5
I don't doubt the BPM numbers. The problem is that while it is easy to see how much Govan contributes offensively it is really hard to calculate how much his terrible defense hurts us. I'm suggesting that it is more than the obvious points allowed. The BPM numbers for defense are in the link I posted. The numbers don't back up your suggestion...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 20, 2018 15:53:54 GMT -5
I don't doubt the BPM numbers. The problem is that while it is easy to see how much Govan contributes offensively it is really hard to calculate how much his terrible defense hurts us. I'm suggesting that it is more than the obvious points allowed. The BPM numbers for defense are in the link I posted. The numbers don't back up your suggestion... At least at the efficiency level Govan is operating at now (which may decline in the Big East because of better opponents), it is virtually impossible that Govan's defensive shortcomings overwhelm his defensive weakness. Roughly, Govan has been scoring about 1.25 points per possession. This is a really excellent number. For Govan's defense to outweigh, Govan would have to be personally responsible for allowing the opposing team to score 1.26 or more points per possession. Given that defense is a team stat, Govan's part in any opponent basket is fractional. Thus far, as a team, we've given up the following PPP to our opponents: 0.72, 1.07, 1.00, 0.96, 0.94, 1.10, 1.12, 1.14, 1.01, 1.12, 0.92. Now, that doesn't tell us how many points lineups with Govan give up per possession, but given that Govan plays a ton of minutes, it's clearly well under 1.26. Thus, while these stats are rough, it is impossible that Govan's offensive production is outweighed by his offense. Govan gets an unfair rap on defense. No, he's not that good on defense, but our rotations are really, really, bad, too, and that doesn't fall solely on Govan, but also the other guys who are often out of place on defense (pretty much everybody). If our rotations were better, Govan would look better. He often looks bad because he's the guy standing in the middle and/or near the basket, and so it's really obvious that he is messing up, whereas the other guys' screw ups are easier to miss if you don't rewatch or look for them.
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Post by alleninxis on Dec 20, 2018 17:39:47 GMT -5
Defensive BPM is not a great number. Does anyone have actual lineup +/-? For Jessie? He's played 645 possessions and the defense is at 1.00PPP Has sat 193 possessions and the defense is at .89PPP. It's hard to weed out what number of those possessions were meaningful, who else is on the floor etc. But this happened last year, too. He played 1,726 possessions and the defense was at 1.07. Sat for 490 and the defense was at .92 He's bad defensively. Takes poor angles, is slow, not a rim protector and I'm not sure you get total effort even after you account for his shortcomings. The offense of course tanks totally without him so...you roll with it, I guess? But I do believe there might be certain situations that arise where it shouldn't be a given to have him on the floor (SMU was one instance IMO). Above all he almost *has* to be paired with LeBlanc. I tried to express earlier that is has almost less to do with Trey and more of what pairing is selected in the front court. And Jessie/Trey is the worst one you can pick and currently starting and getting the most time together.
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