RBHoya
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Post by RBHoya on Apr 9, 2018 17:38:19 GMT -5
So is this where college hoops stands these days? Leave early to play overseas? On average, how much money does a middle of the pack player get paid to play overseas? More than an NCAA basketball player I don't think he has a chance in hell of being drafted, but that would have been the same whether he stayed another year or not, even if the team was much improved. If he knows for sure that being an attorney, or working on Wall Street, or doing something else where his degree adds obvious value is not really where he sees himself then trying to make as much money off of basketball as he possibly can for as many years as he can isn't a terrible idea. If he wants to start anew when he's 33 or 35 and can't make a decent living off of hoops anymore, then he can find a way to scrape together 30-45 more credits from Georgetown or elsewhere and get a degree at that time. But for a basketball player you only get so many years of productivity, and there's something to be said for trying to make as much money as you can during those years and figuring out the next stage a little later on. This isn't to say I think it's a good idea, but if he's certain that corporate life isn't for him and that he intends to make whatever he can off of basketball while he's physically able, then it's not a bad move because the odds that his stock would rise significantly over the next 12 months aren't great.
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Post by jctnhoya4ever on Apr 9, 2018 18:26:50 GMT -5
You notice every player that leaves early at Georgetown always hires an agent.they don’t want to come back,it’s almost like they can’t wait to leave Georgetown.is it that hard academically at Georgetown or is it something else,I can’t figure it out,most the players that leave early never get drafted either.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Apr 9, 2018 18:31:03 GMT -5
You notice every player that leaves early at Georgetown always hires an agent.they don’t want to come back,it’s almost like they can’t wait to leave Georgetown.is it that hard academically at Georgetown or is it something else,I can’t figure it out,most the players that leave early never get drafted either. Huh? Iverson 1996, early entry, drafted/lottery.Page 1997, early entry, not drafted. Sweeetney 2003, early entry, drafted/lottery. Green 2007, early entry, drafted/lottery. Summers, 2009, early entry, drafted. Monroe, 2010, early entry, drafted/lottery.Thompson, 2012, early entry, not drafted. Porter, 2013, early entry, drafted/lottery.Peak, 2016, early entry, not drafted. Derrickson, 2017, early entry.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Apr 9, 2018 18:37:57 GMT -5
So is this where college hoops stands these days? Leave early to play overseas? On average, how much money does a middle of the pack player get paid to play overseas? More than an NCAA basketball player I don't think he has a chance in hell of being drafted, but that would have been the same whether he stayed another year or not, even if the team was much improved. If he knows for sure that being an attorney, or working on Wall Street, or doing something else where his degree adds obvious value is not really where he sees himself then trying to make as much money off of basketball as he possibly can for as many years as he can isn't a terrible idea. If he wants to start anew when he's 33 or 35 and can't make a decent living off of hoops anymore, then he can find a way to scrape together 30-45 more credits from Georgetown or elsewhere and get a degree at that time. But for a basketball player you only get so many years of productivity, and there's something to be said for trying to make as much money as you can during those years and figuring out the next stage a little later on. This isn't to say I think it's a good idea, but if he's certain that corporate life isn't for him and that he intends to make whatever he can off of basketball while he's physically able, then it's not a bad move because the odds that his stock would rise significantly over the next 12 months aren't great. Agreed that it's more money than he'd get otherwise. But he can't honestly think he's going to get drafted right? And I get wanting to focus on hoops and drop all the other stuff. But his chances of ever playing in the NBA are slim to none. I believe he would have had better luck staying another year, getting his degree and working his butt off. If the team has success, he'd be a major reason. The biggest thing for me is that GU has a recent issue with guys leaving early with no chance of being drafted. Is this a college basketball thing or a Georgetown thing? And I get it. If someone had offered me $100K during my junior year to drop out of school and do something I love, I probably would have left as well. I didn't love school but I saw it as an ends to a means. But I also would have realized what I was leaving behind and that finishing my degree in my spare time might happen and might not. And who knows if in 5 years, I'd be better off or worse off. I guess it would depend on how hard I was willing to work and some lucky breaks along the way.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2018 19:11:41 GMT -5
You notice every player that leaves early at Georgetown always hires an agent.they don’t want to come back,it’s almost like they can’t wait to leave Georgetown.is it that hard academically at Georgetown or is it something else,I can’t figure it out,most the players that leave early never get drafted either. Huh? Iverson 1996, early entry, drafted/lottery.Page 1997, early entry, not drafted. Sweeetney 2003, early entry, drafted/lottery. Green 2007, early entry, drafted/lottery. Summers, 2009, early entry, drafted. Monroe, 2010, early entry, drafted/lottery.Thompson, 2012, early entry, not drafted. Porter, 2013, early entry, drafted/lottery.Peak, 2016, early entry, not drafted. Derrickson, 2017, early entry. Stop with your fancy facts!
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jester
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Post by jester on Apr 9, 2018 19:50:03 GMT -5
Yeah - Hollis got on an NBA roster the summer of the draft and then fulltime the next year. Peak I actually thought had a 30% or so chance to be drafted at the end (or follow a similar path than Hollis) as a role player- he is sort of the flipside of Marcus - athletic, good D, needed to improve/prove consistency of shot, had a kid so had (in Hoyatalk mind) 'better' reason to leave. He has been pretty up and down in G League. But you never know when things turn around.
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kettlehill
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Post by kettlehill on Apr 9, 2018 20:30:47 GMT -5
As a fan, this sucks
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 9, 2018 21:17:56 GMT -5
Maybe he found a house he really liked in Latvia?
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SSHoya
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 9, 2018 21:25:06 GMT -5
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Post by Problem of Dog on Apr 9, 2018 21:35:09 GMT -5
There aren't a ton of jobs for Americans in top-flight leagues that reliably pay their players. He'd be lucky to end up in a second tier league in Spain or France, but more likely one of the really off the beaten path leagues.
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SFHoya99
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 9, 2018 21:48:40 GMT -5
Yeah - Hollis got on an NBA roster the summer of the draft and then fulltime the next year. Peak I actually thought had a 30% or so chance to be drafted at the end (or follow a similar path than Hollis) as a role player- he is sort of the flipside of Marcus - athletic, good D, needed to improve/prove consistency of shot, had a kid so had (in Hoyatalk mind) 'better' reason to leave. He has been pretty up and down in G League. But you never know when things turn around. Hollis was 3x the NBA prospect that MD is, and he (and Henry) only hung on because there was an NBA team that didn't want to win games. Derrickson can't defend a single NBA player, and almost certainly will never be able to. He's not getting drafted. I find myself somewhat baffled, because I'm not sure he's even getting a huge foreign contract. He's not going to end up in one of the top leagues, so I would imagine that while six figures is possible, it would be low six figures. Maybe I'm wrong -- I'm not an expert here. Perhaps there's a family reason to get a decent paycheck now. But the chance for career-ending injury seems low, and the experience of college/playing + degree to delay Europe or the Philippines or whatever for one year seems like a good deal. Borderline players don't necessarily have long careers here, the G League plays like crap, and I imagine a lot of these guys, while they can come back and get their degree, they don't. Add in that ain't nobody out there in a professional environment going to care about him improving his game like the Georgetown staff, so while he has more time to work on his game, he's not good enough that any of these organizations are going to look to invest in him. Just look at how much decent DI players bounce from team to team in Europe. I honestly think is a poor long term decision here, independent of my obvious bias. It's also a huge blow to the team next year. I was hoping with some improved guard play and two senior bigs, the team could make a nice run ... Derrickson was such a key to many of our wins, it's tough to replace. Perhaps Govan will step up, or Yurtseven can play and is coming, but man, two steps forward, one step back.
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mdtd
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Post by mdtd on Apr 9, 2018 22:18:00 GMT -5
I'm beyond shocked that Derrickson wouldn't even check if he makes the nba draft combine. And I think he has no chance to make the combine. It's what all guys should do, then hear from nba GM's. This just baffles me. Peak I understand was for his child, but what was the reason behind this? I don't understand this move at all, and frankly I don't see any benefits. Best of luck to Marcus though, loved watching him develop. Hope to see him very successful and prove me wrong. Good luck Marcus! Hope this decision is the best for his future!
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Post by tashoya on Apr 9, 2018 22:23:13 GMT -5
I hope Marcus is making an informed decision and that it's the best one for him at this point. As a fan, it sucks but that's how it goes. Without making a comment on his future prospects, it says a lot about the kind of college player he became that so many of us are sad to lose him. He's clearly put in a ton of work (even in the year leading up to him arriving on campus) and has improved immensely. If every kid came in and got after it like Marcus did, we'd have far fewer complaints as fans. Best of luck to Marcus. You'll be missed and remembered well.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 9, 2018 22:38:56 GMT -5
Sorry to see such an integral part of our team leave. Always a joy to see cynical adults slam a young man for a decision that affects his life and not theirs.
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kettlehill
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Post by kettlehill on Apr 9, 2018 23:38:55 GMT -5
To Admin: “leaves team” is certainly preferable to “quits team”. Marcus doesn’t deserve that.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Apr 9, 2018 23:56:16 GMT -5
You notice every player that leaves early at Georgetown always hires an agent.they don’t want to come back,it’s almost like they can’t wait to leave Georgetown.is it that hard academically at Georgetown or is it something else,I can’t figure it out,most the players that leave early never get drafted either. beyond stupid take. But no, it’s not the academics, I promise you.
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OldHoyafan
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Post by OldHoyafan on Apr 10, 2018 6:59:32 GMT -5
Really loved seeing Marcus vast improvement from his sophomore year to his junior year, especially his inside game. He put in he time and it paid off. He along with the tutelage of Ewing @nd staff made himself into a big time college forward. I think one more year of preparation for the game he will have to have in the NBA would have helped him but you can’t knock a kid for trying to realize his lifelong dream. Best of luck young man. You were the Hoyas best player lat year.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 10, 2018 7:32:31 GMT -5
I don't think one more year helps him any to be honest. I also just don't see him as an NBA player but I hope I am wrong. The reason I want him to stay is it helps the team and I think Marcus would have a lot of fun on a winner for once. As an older Marcus, he might look back and realize one year didn't really matter for his pro aspirations. He will get the degree anyways and my guess is he is probably pretty close from a credits standpoint. Good luck Marcus!
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lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Apr 10, 2018 7:47:42 GMT -5
sad for team DONT think right for him woulda been in a great position after one more year first team big east and maybe all american. BUT his decision not sure why the agent thats not the best move but thanks for his hard work and ALWAYS A HOYA go hoyas hmmmm wonder if Sodom is around campus
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Post by bostonfan on Apr 10, 2018 7:50:46 GMT -5
In the latest NBA Draft projected draft, updated yesterday, Marcus is not even listed as a second round pick. This is what surprises me so much about him leaving now. I realize these mock drafts are often wrong, but if he is not listed in the second round, I have to believe he has no chance of sneaking into the first round. If he was projected by some to be a second round pick and he felt he could wow scouts during workout and find a way into the bottom of the first round then I would understand.
The only positive I saw in that mock draft was that Yurtseven was not listed as even a second round pick at this point either. If he is not going to get drafted,and the rumors are accurate, then he may be Marcus's replacement next year.
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