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Post by HometownHoya on May 24, 2018 14:42:19 GMT -5
Looks good, I didn't think he had another 25lbs to drop.
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Post by centercourt400s on May 24, 2018 15:22:39 GMT -5
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Post by TC on May 25, 2018 6:41:47 GMT -5
Do you think Ewing or Orr counseled him to drop out of his spring semester classes in order to concentrate on basketball, as previous posts have indicated he did? How did we go from "they taught me how to behave professionally" to "they told me to drop out of my classes and just train for basketball"? That is a fairly insane jump.
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Post by centercourt400s on May 25, 2018 8:48:11 GMT -5
Do you think Ewing or Orr counseled him to drop out of his spring semester classes in order to concentrate on basketball, as previous posts have indicated he did? How did we go from "they taught me how to behave professionally" to "they told me to drop out of my classes and just train for basketball"? That is a fairly insane jump. It's an interesting dilemma. Ewing has a responsibility to the university to make sure that the team is in the best possible situation in regards to NCAA rules and guidelines, but he also has a responsibility to his players to help develop them into successful adults, basketball or otherwise. From a pure basketball standpoint it could be argued that dropping out of spring classes and focusing on draft prep is the best move for a player who doesn't plan to return to school next year. But clearly that conflicts with what the NCAA (and probably Georgetown) wants to see from student athletes. This puts the coaching staff in an interesting position, and I'm just wondering how they navigate it.
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Post by TC on May 25, 2018 8:54:54 GMT -5
How did we go from "they taught me how to behave professionally" to "they told me to drop out of my classes and just train for basketball"? That is a fairly insane jump. It's an interesting dilemma. Ewing has a responsibility to the university to make sure that the team is in the best possible situation in regards to NCAA rules and guidelines, but he also has a responsibility to his players to help develop them into successful adults, basketball or otherwise. From a pure basketball standpoint it could be argued that dropping out of spring classes and focusing on draft prep is the best move for a player who doesn't plan to return to school next year. But clearly that conflicts with what the NCAA (and probably Georgetown) wants to see from student athletes. This puts the coaching staff in an interesting position, and I'm just wondering how they navigate it. I'm gonna go with by showing kids how to tie a tie and answer an interview question diplomatically vs. job malpractice by telling kids to leave the university early.
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 25, 2018 9:13:26 GMT -5
You're putting a lot of weight on one poster's mention of a rumor. Below is the only post in this thread that has mentioned the rumor, and they even say that they have no idea if it's true or not. Also, not going to class is not the same as dropping out of classes, so as long as his final grades are high enough and he doesn't actually withdraw, then he would not hurt the APR (other than the hit of him leaving a year early). From what Im hearing, Marcus stopped going to class and told people his family needed the money. No idea if thats true or not, or if it was easier than saying he didnt like being coached by Ewing.
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Post by centercourt400s on May 25, 2018 9:22:35 GMT -5
It's an interesting dilemma. Ewing has a responsibility to the university to make sure that the team is in the best possible situation in regards to NCAA rules and guidelines, but he also has a responsibility to his players to help develop them into successful adults, basketball or otherwise. From a pure basketball standpoint it could be argued that dropping out of spring classes and focusing on draft prep is the best move for a player who doesn't plan to return to school next year. But clearly that conflicts with what the NCAA (and probably Georgetown) wants to see from student athletes. This puts the coaching staff in an interesting position, and I'm just wondering how they navigate it. I'm gonna go with by showing kids how to tie a tie and answer an interview question diplomatically vs. job malpractice by telling kids to leave the university early. I don't know... I have my doubts that the staff is going to walk them up to the edge of a cliff representing one of the biggest decisions in their lives, and then just leave them standing there with no no acknowledgement that jumping might be the best move. As I said, it seems like an interesting dilemma.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 25, 2018 12:14:30 GMT -5
Every coach should give their players an honest assessment of their futures both in and after college.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 25, 2018 17:37:19 GMT -5
Man, I wish he hadn't hired an agent! Still not over the heartbreak.
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Post by blueandgray on May 25, 2018 21:32:20 GMT -5
Man, I wish he hadn't hired an agent! Still not over the heartbreak. Totally! Knowing what we know now of our roster...I like to think we’d be a top 3 team in the BE with Derrickson. Top 5 without.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jun 4, 2018 12:55:21 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jun 6, 2018 0:21:59 GMT -5
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Post by saxagael on Jun 6, 2018 6:01:53 GMT -5
Looks like his weight is is down. Looks lean.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jun 6, 2018 6:55:26 GMT -5
Strange how players like Smith, Freeman and Derrickson carried around extra weight at GU only to get trim in a matter of months post college. We need to up our conditioning game.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 6, 2018 9:14:09 GMT -5
Strange how players like Smith, Freeman and Derrickson carried around extra weight at GU only to get trim in a matter of months post college. We need to up our conditioning game. I've had this thought for a very long time..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 6, 2018 9:41:40 GMT -5
I've said this before, but I don't see why it's surprising to anybody that once a student-athlete essentially transforms into a professional athlete (focusing nearly 24/7 on the themselves and the game), that they might lose weight and become more fit. I am sure if you look at even some of the top draft picks, that once they go into workouts and/or join the league, that the same thing happens.
Derrickson got into amazing shape right before coming to Georgetown compared to where he was in high school, when he was significantly heavier. I recall his completing a half marathon about that time, too. So clearly the effort was there.
Admittedly, I don't know much about our strength and conditioning efforts, and there may be plenty of room for improvement there. I just don't think evidence of new professional athletes getting into better shape is surprising or unique to Georgetown's former student-athletes.
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Post by EtomicB on Jun 6, 2018 10:20:01 GMT -5
I've said this before, but I don't see why it's surprising to anybody that once a student-athlete essentially transforms into a professional athlete (focusing nearly 24/7 on the themselves and the game), that they might lose weight and become more fit. I am sure if you look at even some of the top draft picks, that once they go into workouts and/or join the league, that the same thing happens. Derrickson got into amazing shape right before coming to Georgetown compared to where he was in high school, when he was significantly heavier. I recall his completing a half marathon about that time, too. So clearly the effort was there. Admittedly, I don't know much about our strength and conditioning efforts, and there may be plenty of room for improvement there. I just don't think evidence of new professional athletes getting into better shape is surprising or unique to Georgetown's former student-athletes. If MD had lost 10 or even 15 pounds I'd be more inclined to hear your points but 25 pounds in approximately 8 weeks tells me he was not in good condition during this past season.. I'd bet that the majority of his loss came from a change in diet, not from working out longer.. A program like Gtowns should monitor the weight\conditioning of its players imo..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jun 6, 2018 10:31:16 GMT -5
Very possible - and I agree that you don't lose 25 pounds by working out, especially when you're already an athlete working out a lot. In fact, it's probably mostly diet.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jun 6, 2018 11:10:31 GMT -5
Playing in the NBA, with all that comes with it, I am sure, is a huge incentive.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jun 6, 2018 13:24:09 GMT -5
Having 24 hours a day to work on basketball/conditioning also helps.
Although I can't speak to the details of any conditioning program under either JTIII or Patrick, but given his NBA coaching tenure, I would expect him to establish a focused conditioning program, and to adjust it from year to year.
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