This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 7, 2018 22:18:53 GMT -5
Thus ends the easiest season of betting on Georgetown ever đ„ I actually had a hard time figuring this team out. When I thought they would cover, they would not or when I thought they would get blown out, they played a close game I found the over/under especially unpredictable to pick. Tonight I took the under of 144 and the +3.5
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Mar 7, 2018 22:20:53 GMT -5
For discussion: this team might be, all things considered, worse than 2016-17. Absolutely, positively not. For lack of a better measure, here are our end of season KenPom rankings for the last five years: 2014: 57 2015: 22 2016: 62 2017: 69 2018: 95 (as of 3/7/18)
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 7, 2018 22:23:44 GMT -5
For discussion: this team might be, all things considered, worse than 2016-17. No. Juniors Marcus and Jessie are better than their sophomore versions - Advantage 2017-18. LJ and Peak are better than our current guards - Advantage 2016-17. Pickett is better than anyone else in last year's team - Advantage 2017-18. Everyone else is the same. Advantage 2017-18.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 7, 2018 22:25:28 GMT -5
My first thought is that with us bringing in 4 or 5 freshmen next year, and a lack of strength at guard, Patrick will feel a need to spoon feed us through another pathetic OOC schedule.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 7, 2018 22:27:53 GMT -5
Game was a microcosm of our season, so the outcome wasn't surprising. We came out strong and looked like we had a plan to execute. Marcus and Jessie, as they've done all year long, carried us offensively and kept us ahead despite the constant poor decision making by our guards. And again, it fell apart in the second half as the other team adjusted and we had no clue how to counter.
You look at the inside-the-huddle look ins and a stark contrast between instruction. Ewing telling his guys to keep going... about 7-8x. Mullin telling his guys specifically to get up on Marcus and Pickett and force them to put the ball on the floor. Now, I'm not saying Chris Mullin is anything even resembling a good coach, but one set of instructions was obviously more helpful than the other.
For the people pining for a switch to zone just to offer a different look... again I ask, what in the flying you know what is Louis Orr doing on the staff? This is where he's supposed to bring value. I still don't understand why he was brought on.
I understand the guys gave a decent effort; it's been better than in years past. And there is a lot of room for returning guys to grow and build upon this year. But I am definitely happy to see some new blood, even if unproven, come in at guard. Just way too many wild out of control plays from Mulmore and Dickerson not just tonight, but all year. I'm done watching them pick up their dribble 45 feet from the basket, driving into traffic to throw up prayers, etc.
While I'm high on the frosh like Blair, Pickett and Walker (who had a pretty good game lost in tonight's disaster), I'm left wondering if Mosely is ever going to be a meaningful rotation player on a good team. For a guy who was coached by Bob Hurley, the fundamentals have just gone out the window with this kid. If we can cut out half of the "oops, I forgot to dribble" turnovers we committed this year (and Mosely had a bunch of them), we will add about 2-3 wins next year alone.
Time for Pat to not only do work on the recruiting trail, but go back to the drawing board and see where he can improve his in-game tactics. Yes, we need better talent, but the staff cannot continue to punt multiple games a year moving forward because they don't know how to come off an initial game plan and make some in-game adjustments to counter the moves of opposing coaches who know what they're doing.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Mar 7, 2018 22:28:10 GMT -5
PE just said weâd play in the NIT if invited. Is there really any chance of that? This will not be an option based upon my understanding of how the NIT selects teams.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 7, 2018 22:29:28 GMT -5
Why are we doing this to ourselves? We knew when the year started we wouldn't be very good. We play a few good games, we get our hopes up and suddenly Jamorko Pickett and Dejuan Blair are going to be stars, Japan Mosley will turn into Jonathan Wallace next year, Kaleb Johnson is a silent assassin, and (now) McLung will set the world on fire. Look, we have a very long way to go. It will take at least 2 more years and two great (and I mean great) recruiting classes to be competitive in this league. So let's stop the whining, move away from the ledge, and enjoy the upcoming baseball season. BTW, if you really want to rant, become a SJU fan and ask how SJU can have this much talent, beat Nova and Duke back to back, yet finish 9th in the BE and basically have to run the table to get an NCAA tourney bid. Marcus Lovette ruined their season.. Plus Ponds shot 18% from 3 thru the 1st 21 games of the year 22 of 108, he's shot 43.7% for the next 7 games 21 of 48.. Big difference..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 7, 2018 22:29:40 GMT -5
For discussion: this team might be, all things considered, worse than 2016-17. No. Juniors Marcus and Jessie are better than their sophomore versions - Advantage 2017-18. LJ and Peak are better than our current guards - Advantage 2016-17. Pickett is better than anyone else in last year's team - Advantage 2017-18. Everyone else is the same. Advantage 2017-18. Not so sure 2018 Doc, Jessie and Pickett are better than 2017 Doc and Jessie plus LJ and Pryor.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on Mar 7, 2018 22:31:31 GMT -5
My first thought is that with us bringing in 4 or 5 freshmen next year, and a lack of strength at guard, Patrick will feel a need to spoon feed us through another pathetic OOC schedule. Hopefully not. I truly believe this team suffered from not facing tough challenges earlier in the year. I know all the arguments for the powder puff schedule, but still think that it hurt more than helped these kids. It was foolâs gold. Look at Kalebâhe literally disappeared in the conference season after an impressive first 8-9 games.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 7, 2018 22:38:37 GMT -5
Game was a microcosm of our season, so the outcome wasn't surprising. We came out strong and looked like we had a plan to execute. Marcus and Jessie, as they've done all year long, carried us offensively and kept us ahead despite the constant poor decision making by our guards. And again, it fell apart in the second half as the other team adjusted and we had no clue how to counter. You look at the inside-the-huddle look ins and a stark contrast between instruction. Ewing telling his guys to keep going... about 7-8x. Mullin telling his guys specifically to get up on Marcus and Pickett and force them to put the ball on the floor. Now, I'm not saying Chris Mullin is anything even resembling a good coach, but one set of instructions was obviously more helpful than the other. For the people pining for a switch to zone just to offer a different look... again I ask, what in the flying you know what is Louis Orr doing on the staff? This is where he's supposed to bring value. I still don't understand why he was brought on.Time for Pat to not only do work on the recruiting trail, but go back to the drawing board and see where he can improve his in-game tactics. Yes, we need better talent, but the staff cannot continue to punt multiple games a year moving forward because they don't know how to come off an initial game plan and make some in-game adjustments to counter the moves of opposing coaches who know what they're doing. Orr was a head coach in college. There a lot of little things (especially on the administrative side) to running a program as a head coach that even assistants aren't aware of until they actually sit in the big chair as a head coach. Orr has been in that position. Ewing has not until this year. So he can serve as a sounding board for Ewing in that regard. Let's see if Ewing and Co upgrade the talent.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 7, 2018 22:40:49 GMT -5
Game was a microcosm of our season, so the outcome wasn't surprising. We came out strong and looked like we had a plan to execute. Marcus and Jessie, as they've done all year long, carried us offensively and kept us ahead despite the constant poor decision making by our guards. And again, it fell apart in the second half as the other team adjusted and we had no clue how to counter. You look at the inside-the-huddle look ins and a stark contrast between instruction. Ewing telling his guys to keep going... about 7-8x. Mullin telling his guys specifically to get up on Marcus and Pickett and force them to put the ball on the floor. Now, I'm not saying Chris Mullin is anything even resembling a good coach, but one set of instructions was obviously more helpful than the other. For the people pining for a switch to zone just to offer a different look... again I ask, what in the flying you know what is Louis Orr doing on the staff? This is where he's supposed to bring value. I still don't understand why he was brought on. I understand the guys gave a decent effort; it's been better than in years past. And there is a lot of room for returning guys to grow and build upon this year. But I am definitely happy to see some new blood, even if unproven, come in at guard. Just way too many wild out of control plays from Mulmore and Dickerson not just tonight, but all year. I'm done watching them pick up their dribble 45 feet from the basket, driving into traffic to throw up prayers, etc. While I'm high on the frosh like Blair, Pickett and Walker (who had a pretty good game lost in tonight's disaster), I'm left wondering if Mosely is ever going to be a meaningful rotation player on a good team. For a guy who was coached by Bob Hurley, the fundamentals have just gone out the window with this kid. If we can cut out half of the "oops, I forgot to dribble" turnovers we committed this year (and Mosely had a bunch of them), we will add about 2-3 wins next year alone. Time for Pat to not only do work on the recruiting trail, but go back to the drawing board and see where he can improve his in-game tactics. Yes, we need better talent, but the staff cannot continue to punt multiple games a year moving forward because they don't know how to come off an initial game plan and make some in-game adjustments to counter the moves of opposing coaches who know what they're doing. We did try to adjust. We had our guards driving and the dishing to the perimeter. Our perimeter guys were just bricklaying tonight. Man it sucks to be the first team out of the BET. Again.
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Mar 7, 2018 22:42:29 GMT -5
My first thought is that with us bringing in 4 or 5 freshmen next year, and a lack of strength at guard, Patrick will feel a need to spoon feed us through another pathetic OOC schedule. Hopefully not. I truly believe this team suffered from not facing tough challenges earlier in the year. I know all the arguments for the powder puff schedule, but still think that it hurt more than helped these kids. It was foolâs gold. Look at Kalebâhe literally disappeared in the conference season after an impressive first 8-9 games. OOC had nothing do with it. You could make the argument the scheduled helped us to win 5 Big East games this year, given our deficiencies. Gave us the confidence to at least hang with the bigger schools in games. Kaleb disappeared because he played against better competition. Kaleb is what he is. Same with Mulmore and Dickerson. How do you explain Marcus's play or Pickett's? They faced the same competition as Kaleb in the OOC.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 7, 2018 22:47:16 GMT -5
Game was a microcosm of our season, so the outcome wasn't surprising. We came out strong and looked like we had a plan to execute. Marcus and Jessie, as they've done all year long, carried us offensively and kept us ahead despite the constant poor decision making by our guards. And again, it fell apart in the second half as the other team adjusted and we had no clue how to counter. You look at the inside-the-huddle look ins and a stark contrast between instruction. Ewing telling his guys to keep going... about 7-8x. Mullin telling his guys specifically to get up on Marcus and Pickett and force them to put the ball on the floor. Now, I'm not saying Chris Mullin is anything even resembling a good coach, but one set of instructions was obviously more helpful than the other. For the people pining for a switch to zone just to offer a different look... again I ask, what in the flying you know what is Louis Orr doing on the staff? This is where he's supposed to bring value. I still don't understand why he was brought on. I understand the guys gave a decent effort; it's been better than in years past. And there is a lot of room for returning guys to grow and build upon this year. But I am definitely happy to see some new blood, even if unproven, come in at guard. Just way too many wild out of control plays from Mulmore and Dickerson not just tonight, but all year. I'm done watching them pick up their dribble 45 feet from the basket, driving into traffic to throw up prayers, etc. While I'm high on the frosh like Blair, Pickett and Walker (who had a pretty good game lost in tonight's disaster), I'm left wondering if Mosely is ever going to be a meaningful rotation player on a good team. For a guy who was coached by Bob Hurley, the fundamentals have just gone out the window with this kid. If we can cut out half of the "oops, I forgot to dribble" turnovers we committed this year (and Mosely had a bunch of them), we will add about 2-3 wins next year alone. Time for Pat to not only do work on the recruiting trail, but go back to the drawing board and see where he can improve his in-game tactics. Yes, we need better talent, but the staff cannot continue to punt multiple games a year moving forward because they don't know how to come off an initial game plan and make some in-game adjustments to counter the moves of opposing coaches who know what they're doing. We did try to adjust. We had our guards driving and the dishing to the perimeter. Our perimeter guys were just bricklaying tonight. Man it sucks to be the first team out of the BET. Again. Agreed we missed a ton of open looks from outside. I'm not so sure that was an adjustment; we ran the same offense in the 1st half we did in the 2nd. The issue was Jessie and Marcus ran out of gas in the final 10-12 minutes. They were the only reason we were in the game as long as we were, but they disappeared down the stretch and without a 3rd option to pick up some of the slack, that hurt. Adjustments also mean defensively too though. For a team that has as many poor on-the-ball and PNR defenders as we do, continuing to play man for 40 minutes without even showing a different look every now and then just to give the other team something to think about is puzzling.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 7, 2018 22:50:53 GMT -5
We did try to adjust. We had our guards driving and the dishing to the perimeter. Our perimeter guys were just bricklaying tonight. Man it sucks to be the first team out of the BET. Again. Agreed we missed a ton of open looks from outside. I'm not so sure that was an adjustment; we ran the same offense in the 1st half we did in the 2nd. The issue was Jessie and Marcus ran out of gas in the final 10-12 minutes. They were the only reason we were in the game as long as we were, but they disappeared down the stretch and without a 3rd option to pick up some of the slack, that hurt. Adjustments also mean defensively too though. For a team that has as many poor on-the-ball and PNR defenders as we do, continuing to play man for 40 minutes without even showing a different look every now and then just to give the other team something to think about is puzzling. This is where a guy like Leblanc will shine next year. He can guard anyone on the floor and will be the shut down guy next year. At this point next year, I want to be talking NCAA's. Not feeling like this as we have the last 3 years. On to recruiting.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 7, 2018 22:53:08 GMT -5
Kaleb Johnson: 1 shot, 1 rebound, no assists, no points, three TOs. For a starter. Why bother playing him? Could Murasan be any less effective? You are not wrong, but remember he is a Hoya doing his best.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 7, 2018 22:53:56 GMT -5
Hopefully not. I truly believe this team suffered from not facing tough challenges earlier in the year. I know all the arguments for the powder puff schedule, but still think that it hurt more than helped these kids. It was foolâs gold. Look at Kalebâhe literally disappeared in the conference season after an impressive first 8-9 games. OOC had nothing do with it. You could make the argument the scheduled helped us to win 5 Big East games this year, given our deficiencies. Gave us the confidence to at least hang with the bigger schools in games. Kaleb disappeared because he played against better competition. Kaleb is what he is. Same with Mulmore and Dickerson. How do you explain Marcus's play or Pickett's? They faced the same competition as Kaleb in the OOC. It is incredible to me that not every single poster on this board at this point cannot agree that the OOC schedule this year was a complete and utter disaster on every front. Do you really believe that the OOC schedule gave us the ability to âhangâ with the schools that we choked away half a dozen games against?
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 7, 2018 22:55:39 GMT -5
Agreed we missed a ton of open looks from outside. I'm not so sure that was an adjustment; we ran the same offense in the 1st half we did in the 2nd. The issue was Jessie and Marcus ran out of gas in the final 10-12 minutes. They were the only reason we were in the game as long as we were, but they disappeared down the stretch and without a 3rd option to pick up some of the slack, that hurt. Adjustments also mean defensively too though. For a team that has as many poor on-the-ball and PNR defenders as we do, continuing to play man for 40 minutes without even showing a different look every now and then just to give the other team something to think about is puzzling. This is where a guy like Leblanc will shine next year. He can guard anyone on the floor and will be the shut down guy next year. At this point next year, I want to be talking NCAA's. Not feeling like this as we have the last 3 years. On to recruiting. I'm hoping you're right. That's what this team has been sorely lacking for years now: a guy who is capable of making an opposing 1st or 2nd option uncomfortable on the offensive end. Part of the reason why we struggle so badly defensively is that not only do we give up a high percentage, we also barely force turnovers. I think SJU had 2 in the 2nd half tonight. Very difficult to beat anybody forcing that few turnovers unless you're playing at an insanely high level of efficiency too.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 7, 2018 22:59:31 GMT -5
OOC had nothing do with it. You could make the argument the scheduled helped us to win 5 Big East games this year, given our deficiencies. Gave us the confidence to at least hang with the bigger schools in games. Kaleb disappeared because he played against better competition. Kaleb is what he is. Same with Mulmore and Dickerson. How do you explain Marcus's play or Pickett's? They faced the same competition as Kaleb in the OOC. It is incredible to me that not every single poster on this board at this point cannot agree that the OOC schedule this year was a complete and utter disaster on every front. Do you really believe that the OOC schedule gave us the ability to âhangâ with the schools that we choked away half a dozen games against? Dude....this was the expected outcome whether we played a soft OOC of not. We play the schedule you want and we are 4-26, we look like Pitt, and we wonât be able to land a single G** D*** recruit worth having.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 7, 2018 23:07:17 GMT -5
This is where a guy like Leblanc will shine next year. He can guard anyone on the floor and will be the shut down guy next year. At this point next year, I want to be talking NCAA's. Not feeling like this as we have the last 3 years. On to recruiting. I'm hoping you're right. That's what this team has been sorely lacking for years now: a guy who is capable of making an opposing 1st or 2nd option uncomfortable on the offensive end. Part of the reason why we struggle so badly defensively is that not only do we give up a high percentage, we also barely force turnovers. I think SJU had 2 in the 2nd half tonight. Very difficult to beat anybody forcing that few turnovers unless you're playing at an insanely high level of efficiency too. Completely agree, it's who we need. The star players always over perform against us and if LeBlanc can stop them and the runs that these guys have led we'd have a few more wins. That and a guard who could just dominate. Feeling good about next year. I really don't want to be let down.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 7, 2018 23:09:00 GMT -5
It is incredible to me that not every single poster on this board at this point cannot agree that the OOC schedule this year was a complete and utter disaster on every front. Do you really believe that the OOC schedule gave us the ability to âhangâ with the schools that we choked away half a dozen games against? Dude....this was the expected outcome whether we played a soft OOC of not. We play the schedule you want and we are 4-26, we look like Pitt, and we wonât be able to land a single G** D*** recruit worth having. How do you come to this record?
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