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Post by kbones17 on Mar 1, 2018 22:59:56 GMT -5
Thread to discuss ‘18 grad transfers eligible to play right away.
Casual just tweeted about Mike Cunningham from USC-Upstate, RS Jr. Averaged 13 pts and 3 assists. 38% from 3, but also 38% from the field. Local kid from Maryland.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2018 23:32:07 GMT -5
Thread to discuss ‘18 grad transfers eligible to play right away. Casual just tweeted about Mike Cunningham from USC-Upstate, RS Jr. Averaged 13 pts and 3 assists. 38% from 3, but also 38% from the field. Local kid from Maryland. Does averaging 13 pts at USC-Upstate transnslate to the BE!!!’
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 2, 2018 0:14:16 GMT -5
Thread to discuss ‘18 grad transfers eligible to play right away. Casual just tweeted about Mike Cunningham from USC-Upstate, RS Jr. Averaged 13 pts and 3 assists. 38% from 3, but also 38% from the field. Local kid from Maryland. Does averaging 13 pts at USC-Upstate transnslate to the BE!!!’ Not necessarily. Trey Dickerson averaged over 10 pts at South Dakota for comparison. A guy like Cunningham would be interesting, but I’d think we’d give it a few weeks to see who becomes available. This is just the first of many transfers that will announce over the next month or so.
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Post by TC on Mar 2, 2018 0:23:48 GMT -5
2* who played for DC Assault it looks like.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 2, 2018 7:26:00 GMT -5
Thread to discuss ‘18 grad transfers eligible to play right away. Casual just tweeted about Mike Cunningham from USC-Upstate, RS Jr. Averaged 13 pts and 3 assists. 38% from 3, but also 38% from the field. Local kid from Maryland. Does averaging 13 pts at USC-Upstate transnslate to the BE!!!’ No it doesn't. No grad transfers, please. 4-years or Mitchell for an additional guard. We're not in a "Mulmore/Mosley and it's April" situation this year. I think we can safely look elsewhere. We have a need but we're not desperate.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 2, 2018 8:14:57 GMT -5
Does averaging 13 pts at USC-Upstate transnslate to the BE!!!’ No it doesn't. No grad transfers, please. 4-years or Mitchell for an additional guard. We're not in a "Mulmore/Mosley and it's April" situation this year. I think we can safely look elsewhere. We have a need but we're not desperate. Understand this view if there is still a quality game-ready pg in the Class of 18 pg to be had. Otherwise if you can get a quality graduate transfer pg with a handle and some shooting skills to come in and hold the fort for a year, do it. Perhaps Dickerson did not pan out as hoped, but lots of these kids come in and make a difference, particularly for a team that still lacks a quality pg and decent shooting guard. Hate to rely upon improved ball-handling and shooting from Mosley, Kaleb and Blair (who has shown some real promise but is still developing) or put all the eggs in the McClung basket.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 2, 2018 8:44:27 GMT -5
No it doesn't. No grad transfers, please. 4-years or Mitchell for an additional guard. We're not in a "Mulmore/Mosley and it's April" situation this year. I think we can safely look elsewhere. We have a need but we're not desperate. Understand this view if there is still a quality game-ready pg in the Class of 18 pg to be had. Otherwise if you can get a quality graduate transfer pg with a handle and some shooting skills to come in and hold the fort for a year, do it. Perhaps Dickerson did not pan out as hoped, but lots of these kids come in and make a difference, particularly for a team that still lacks a quality pg and decent shooting guard. Hate to rely upon improved ball-handling and shooting from Mosley, Kaleb and Blair (who has shown some real promise but is still developing) or put all the eggs in the McClung basket. I agree that a grad transfer might not be a bad option, if they can't find a guy they have confidence can come in next year and be a capable PG in the Big East as a freshman. Stepping into that competition level is a tall task to ask of most kids coming out of high school, who are not highly rated players. The other thing to think about is if they feel they are in a good spot for one of the highly rated 2019 PG's they have offered, then bringing in an experienced grad transfer to keep the position warm for a year as we wait for the guy the staff really wants in 2019 is not a bad idea. In a perfect world you find the 2018 kid who comes in next year and is ready to man the position as a freshman and then you have 3 more years of him as he grows and develops, but if you bring in that 2018 PG and it turns out he is not ready yet to play in the Big East then the team might be in the same position it is this year with sub par guard play.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 2, 2018 15:55:40 GMT -5
In a perfect world you find the 2018 kid who comes in next year and is ready to man the position as a freshman and then you have 3 more years of him as he grows and develops, but if you bring in that 2018 PG and it turns out he is not ready yet to play in the Big East then the team might be in the same position it is this year with sub par guard play. This. The team is in a perfect position to make a lot of noise next year if Jessie and Marcus return for their senior season. That, in turn, will lead to better recruiting. To be in that position, Pat needs to get another consistent scorer to go with Jessie, Marcus and Pickett so the team can play as close to 5-on-5 as possible. It would be a terrible strategy to close the door on a grad transfer who has a proven track record of perimeter scoring, good ball-handling and overall confidence in his game in lieu of a freshman who undoubtedly will go through growing pains (unless that freshman is a stud), just because the grad transfer will only be available one season. Next year I want Jessie and Marcus to be guarded by one opposing player as much as possible. With Pickett on the floor and Mac looking to pass or score from all over the place, that leaves just one player to complete the ideal balance on the court. That other player must be good enough to attract attention and force the opposing team to guard him so the defense cannot collapse on Jessie and Marcus. We might have that player in Greg or in Josh or in Grayson or in senior co-captain hopefully-no-longer-deer-caught-in-headlights Kaleb or in finally-the-light-turns-on Jagan or returning Mourning or soph quick-trigger Blair, but are we going to rely on the belief that one of these guys will be good enough to be that player with the info we have right now? Don't get me wrong, on paper it looks like pretty good depth and balance. Or, would you rather get a stud to help the team get as far as possible NEXT YEAR and finally make some March noise while we get to see how (and if) the others develop? Pat has provided the answer in his interviews: he wants better talent asap at all positions. I'm TTS that they will put us in the best position to win next year. Again, it would be a waste to not surround Marcus and Jessie with the best available talent, even if the way to do it is with a perimeter-shooting grad transfer or JUCO. It's a golden opportunity.
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Post by EasyEd on Mar 2, 2018 16:11:53 GMT -5
We need defense more than we need a PG.
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Post by wnyhoya on Mar 2, 2018 16:29:17 GMT -5
We need defense more than we need a PG. I don't think these are necessarily mutually exclusive...
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 2, 2018 22:10:51 GMT -5
If we could get the pg equivalent of Pryor, I would take him.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 2, 2018 23:08:20 GMT -5
No it doesn't. No grad transfers, please. 4-years or Mitchell for an additional guard. We're not in a "Mulmore/Mosley and it's April" situation this year. I think we can safely look elsewhere. We have a need but we're not desperate. Understand this view if there is still a quality game-ready pg in the Class of 18 pg to be had. Otherwise if you can get a quality graduate transfer pg with a handle and some shooting skills to come in and hold the fort for a year, do it. Perhaps Dickerson did not pan out as hoped, but lots of these kids come in and make a difference, particularly for a team that still lacks a quality pg and decent shooting guard. Hate to rely upon improved ball-handling and shooting from Mosley, Kaleb and Blair (who has shown some real promise but is still developing) or put all the eggs in the McClung basket. All I'm saying is there is like 2-3 actually good grad transfers a year. Maybe 7-8 JUCOs. Sure get someone if we can but this is a really small pond and there's no reason to stretch. Put it this way; if we don't want Sherwyn Devonish now, why do we want him after three years at Norfolk St.? I'd argue if you're taking a flyer, better to be on a 4-year player you might be able to mold and develop.
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 3, 2018 0:04:44 GMT -5
Understand this view if there is still a quality game-ready pg in the Class of 18 pg to be had. Otherwise if you can get a quality graduate transfer pg with a handle and some shooting skills to come in and hold the fort for a year, do it. Perhaps Dickerson did not pan out as hoped, but lots of these kids come in and make a difference, particularly for a team that still lacks a quality pg and decent shooting guard. Hate to rely upon improved ball-handling and shooting from Mosley, Kaleb and Blair (who has shown some real promise but is still developing) or put all the eggs in the McClung basket. All I'm saying is there is like 2-3 actually good grad transfers a year. Maybe 7-8 JUCOs. Sure get someone if we can but this is a really small pond and there's no reason to stretch. Put it this way; if we don't want Sherwyn Devonish now, why do we want him after three years at Norfolk St.? I'd argue if you're taking a flyer, better to be on a 4-year player you might be able to mold and develop. If you’re taking a freshman on a four year commitment you better be sure he can play. In my view, getting a grad transfer who’s 22 or 23 years old after 4 years of a college weight program on a one year commitment can be a very efficient use of a scholarship. I agree that often these guys can seem better than they are, but from a scouting perspective you should have loads of full game tape at the college level to make an informed decision. I think our ‘18 team is just a couple of solid guards away from making some noise, so I’m in favor of scouting the grad transfer guard market, but also looking to take on another freshman guard we think can contribute a bit and develop. I know PE says he’s like to get another big, but I’m all for taking two more ballhandlers.
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 3, 2018 0:20:03 GMT -5
All I'm saying is there is like 2-3 actually good grad transfers a year. Maybe 7-8 JUCOs. Sure get someone if we can but this is a really small pond and there's no reason to stretch. Put it this way; if we don't want Sherwyn Devonish now, why do we want him after three years at Norfolk St.? I'd argue if you're taking a flyer, better to be on a 4-year player you might be able to mold and develop. If you’re taking a freshman on a four year commitment you better be sure he can play. In my view, getting a grad transfer who’s 22 or 23 years old after 4 years of a college weight program on a one year commitment can be a very efficient use of a scholarship. I agree that often these guys can seem better than they are, but from a scouting perspective you should have loads of full game tape at the college level to make an informed decision. I think our ‘18 team is just a couple of solid guards away from making some noise, so I’m in favor of scouting the grad transfer guard market, but also looking to take on another freshman guard we think can contribute a bit and develop. I know PE says he’s like to get another big, but I’m all for taking two more ballhandlers. Plus, taking a grad transfer keeps the classes a little more balanced. Tough to mix in 5 freshmen in a rotation. Hopefully we are set up for a big ‘19 class
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Post by blazers44 on Mar 3, 2018 1:34:09 GMT -5
Yes I agree. Taking grad transfer allows you to take your time and not make a 4 yr mistake on a guy your not totally sold on for 4 yrs.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 3, 2018 8:21:39 GMT -5
There are still a few good PG that have opened up. Plus, more may become available after the annual coaching carousel.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 3, 2018 11:52:00 GMT -5
Our team does seem like an ideal candidate for a grad transfer guard or even a big man who wouldn't mind being a reserve. We could offer big minutes, especially in the backcourt, and a team that might be able to compete for an NCAA tournament berth with the right roster.
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 5, 2018 16:19:48 GMT -5
Wyatt walker out of Samford, 6-9, 240 lb big. Transfer with 2 years of eligibility remaining, and immediately available (per tweet).
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Post by blazers44 on Mar 5, 2018 16:27:24 GMT -5
Season is over for a lot of schools. Players will start announcing that they are transferring. Plus coaches will get fired or take new jobs, thus making other players transfer as well.
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Post by 804hoya on Mar 5, 2018 18:32:57 GMT -5
Wyatt walker out of Samford, 6-9, 240 lb big. Transfer with 2 years of eligibility remaining, and immediately available (per tweet).
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