lichoya68
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 18, 2018 13:21:49 GMT -5
This nova team is probably BETTER than the national championship team yup that speelman just geting started and the rest UNREAL d and o and kinda can shoot VERY IMPRESSIVE>
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EasyEd
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Post by EasyEd on Jan 18, 2018 13:49:40 GMT -5
In single elimination tournament, a team that lives by the three can die by the three. Last night's Nova could have beaten any NCAA team.
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Post by vv83 on Jan 18, 2018 14:40:56 GMT -5
They are very good. If you asked me 10 years ago, I never would have guessed that Jay Wright would become pretty much the best coach in the country. That team is locked in, they all know exactly what to do on both ends of the court. They got a good look on virtually every possession, often easily. I know that last night was likely the first time this season that their D fully locked in. But if they play D like that consistently moving forward, the only way they lose before the regional finals is if they have a terrible shooting game against a team having a very hot shooting game. And every single guy they put on the court (except for perhaps the freshman power forward) is a very good (40%+) 3 point shooter. There really is no way to defend a team that shoots that well if they run their offense effectively. WIth Brunson running the show, Nova is going to run their offense effectively every night. They could certainly lose to one of the other top 5 -10 type teams, but I'll be surprised if they get upset in the tournament unless they have an ice cold shooting game.
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Post by iowa80 on Jan 18, 2018 15:01:12 GMT -5
Unfortunately for 'Nova, they will have to go through us in San Antonio after we run the table in the BE tournament, and reach the Final Four as a 14 seed. Time to revenge Lexington. Remember the Alamo!
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Post by This Just In on Jan 18, 2018 17:02:13 GMT -5
Some posters were stating last night that this loss was not in the Top 10, I don't see how that is possible considering the historic relevance of being the largest loss in a generation (43 years). When listening to radio stations across the nation, ESPN, Fox Sports and other local affiliates they kept giving the score but added that Nova led by 44 points at a point in time in the game. I am curious if anyone knows if that is a normal routine or because it was Nova vs Gtown, the largest lead of the game keeps getting announced?
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 18, 2018 17:03:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately for 'Nova, they will have to go through us in San Antonio after we run the table in the BE tournament, and reach the Final Four as a 14 seed. Time to revenge Lexington. Remember the Alamo! I'll have what he's having.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 18, 2018 17:22:04 GMT -5
Nova is just a whole lot better than most teams in BE this year. I did not see the a Butler game they lost but that will probably their low spot for the season. They will beat them by double didgets when they play them at home. As others have said Brunson makes them a great TEAM rather than a good team. He is mature beyond his years b/c of his father and being around older NBA players growing up. They have good players at every position and Wright has got them believing in his system. I., too believe from a pure talent standpoint they are better than their national title team. If Brunson does not get hurt or gets in foul trouble It will take a lights out shooting exhibition to beat them.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 19, 2018 1:12:35 GMT -5
I only finished this game tonight. I didn’t expect to read so many posts about JT3 in a thread that should be about Villanova and the current Hoyas. In any case, a few thoughts:
- There was a lot of mention about our fast tempo offense and how that’s a good change. Maybe it is, it’s really hard to say based solely on this year, but I would add that Villanova - a team a lot of people look at as an example of what we should be doing - is about middle of the pack on offensive tempo and much slower than us. I would take a high quality offensive any day, be it fast or slow.
- It’s indisputable that this team doesn’t have a high level of talent, and we keep coming back to that point. Whether it’s JT3’s fault or whoever, the fact is we don’t have much of it now and Ewing needs to maximize our performance (even if it’s a low ceiling) with the talent we do have.
- A few posts in this thread have mentioned defensive effort and the press. On defense, we have been been terrible and giving opponents open shots all year including the cupcakes. The difference is teams like Villanova really exploit it with good shooting (plus they get more open shots). And the press has been completely ineffective - we are horrible at forcing turnovers. I realize this group may never be great on defense but it concerns me that their positioning and IQ on defense seems unimproved.
- Our offense in this game was really abysmal. Chalk it up to talent or scheme or Villanova’s defense or whatever, but it was really bad. Even the very worst of teams against a very good team shouldn’t allow 18-0 runs.
I realize I am in the minority here but I still don’t feel like we have a strong coherent half court offensive scheme. It’s clear Ewing wants to get the ball into the post, but we rarely get open shots. It’s also clear Ewing is directing our players to engage in certain schemes/plays but it’s not entirely clear what that is because our players don’t seem to execute any sort of plan. I realize the answer is going to be “No talent!” and I’m sure that’s a huge portion of this, so I understand the headwinds Ewing is facing, but for me seeing the fast tempo isn’t enough. I fully acknowledge that with better players the offensive scheme might become more apparent, and maybe it will. I’m just not convinced we have an NBA “freestyle” offense that is going to be effective with this group.
- That said, I always figured we would get killed against Villanova this year, so it doesn’t bother me in any macro sense. For me, I would like to especially see progress on the defensive front going forward.
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Post by vv83 on Jan 19, 2018 13:01:09 GMT -5
I only finished this game tonight. I didn’t expect to read so many posts about JT3 in a thread that should be about Villanova and the current Hoyas. In any case, a few thoughts: - There was a lot of mention about our fast tempo offense and how that’s a good change. Maybe it is, it’s really hard to say based solely on this year, but I would add that Villanova - a team a lot of people look at as an example of what we should be doing - is about middle of the pack on offensive tempo and much slower than us. I would take a high quality offensive any day, be it fast or slow. - It’s indisputable that this team doesn’t have a high level of talent, and we keep coming back to that point. Whether it’s JT3’s fault or whoever, the fact is we don’t have much of it now and Ewing needs to maximize our performance (even if it’s a low ceiling) with the talent we do have. - A few posts in this thread have mentioned defensive effort and the press. On defense, we have been been terrible and giving opponents open shots all year including the cupcakes. The difference is teams like Villanova really exploit it with good shooting (plus they get more open shots). And the press has been completely ineffective - we are horrible at forcing turnovers. I realize this group may never be great on defense but it concerns me that their positioning and IQ on defense seems unimproved. - Our offense in this game was really abysmal. Chalk it up to talent or scheme or Villanova’s defense or whatever, but it was really bad. Even the very worst of teams against a very good team shouldn’t allow 18-0 runs. I realize I am in the minority here but I still don’t feel like we have a strong coherent half court offensive scheme. It’s clear Ewing wants to get the ball into the post, but we rarely get open shots. It’s also clear Ewing is directing our players to engage in certain schemes/plays but it’s not entirely clear what that is because our players don’t seem to execute any sort of plan. I realize the answer is going to be “No talent!” and I’m sure that’s a huge portion of this, so I understand the headwinds Ewing is facing, but for me seeing the fast tempo isn’t enough. I fully acknowledge that with better players the offensive scheme might become more apparent, and maybe it will. I’m just not convinced we have an NBA “freestyle” offense that is going to be effective with this group. - That said, I always figured we would get killed against Villanova this year, so it doesn’t bother me in any macro sense. For me, I would like to especially see progress on the defensive front going forward. My take is that we are not playing Ewing's preferred style of offense in the half court this year. I think he wants to play spread pick and roll, lots of "drive and kick" for open 3s. But he knows he does not have any guards who can come close to consistently executing this offense, and that his best players (by far) are his two big guys. So he is running the offense primarily through the low post. I do think Ewing is trying to push the tempo for as much transition play as possible. Our guards are not any good at that either most of the time, but he wants to establish that we won't be a pure half court team. But he knows that if he tries to play spread pick and roll stuff in the halfcourt, we'll be scoring in the 40s against good teams, and struggle to compete even with the bottom of the big east. He is trying to balance being competitive with establishing his preferred style of play. Hopefully McClung, and/or some miracle late guard recruit will be able to play more spread pick and roll in the half court next year, and begin to establish the half court offensive style that I think Ewing wants to play.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:43:58 GMT -5
At one point in this game Nova was outscoring us 51 to 3 from behind the arc...
It ended up 51-12.. Unreal...
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Post by hoyainspirit on Jan 19, 2018 20:58:55 GMT -5
Who can forget Jeremiah Rivers. That guy could not shoot . He spent a whole summer with dad's money hiring a shooting coach and shoooting 10,000 shots only to come back and shoot bricks and air balls. For some reason III could not identify who had good mechanics or could shoot because Lubbick and Rivers had flawed form and Cameron had a slow release. I think bringing in Wallace has helped improve mulmore, Kaleb and Jagan arc. I did forget Rivers but he doesn't fit the debate. He didn't improve or regress..... I think Rivers would have been great on our current roster. He could run an offense and was really good off the bounce. He couldn't shoot but he could finish at the rim and drive /dish...... Also, he played excellent defense, his best skill, IMO.
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