hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 17, 2018 21:25:38 GMT -5
We are undefeated and will be undefeated this year at Verizon. It is semantics, then let me change it to the Capital One Arena By the way this was Georgetown's largest margin of defeat since a 33-point loss to Maryland, 104-71, on Dec. 10, 1974 I wonder how many on this board saw that game? Not me.....I was born in 1975....😇
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 17, 2018 21:27:54 GMT -5
Theres so much to say, but it would only be out of frustration. Its like Patrick is starting almost from scratch. This rebuild seems like it will take much longer than we have patience for, we need so much. If we can get a great pg, and a good competitive center. We can be competitive. Thats what I want, a genuinely competitive team across the board, at every position.
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on Jan 17, 2018 21:28:02 GMT -5
I posted on this board in 2015 that we needed a PG that could drive and defend because DSR was neither? Why you stealing my thoughts Glide? What do I win guys. Apparently I was the 1st one to ever notice that to be good you need good PG play. Man what I would give for a pg that can run a offense as well as DSR.....Our guards make DSR look like CP3......ðŸ˜
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 17, 2018 21:31:41 GMT -5
The thing is III's Princeton principles slow down ball masked the talent gap the last couple years because the Princeton by nature is a use the full shot clock slow down offense. This kept games lower scoring and the scoring margin smaller even against elite teams. So in that sense the Princeton style led to more competitive games. That was the whole idea behind the Princeton slow things down and keep things close so the less talented team could compete with the big boys. When you play a wide open NBA style then you are going to see bigger routes when there is a wide talent gap between teams. Agreed. In hindsight, it was probably an easy game to predict. Nova is scoring 80-90 points against good teams, and we played right into their style. Only chance this would have been close is some version of a burn offense. I still think it is the right choice for Ewing because I'm guessing its part of trying to attract recruits with a more up tempo, free style offense. Remember it was pass the hot potatoe and then big man comes high then dribble handoff, all the while looking for the most efficient shot and burning clock. But what happened is you ended up getting guys like Lubick and Kaleb who realized their shot wasn't efficient so they stopped shooting. With Lubick it got really bad but even with Kaleb this year I see how he is reverting to being scared to pull the trigger. The guards we had in the past got used to the hot potato passing and dribble handoff because it involves very little actual dribbling. So there's a mindset and laziness that develops under that system. So we're fighting that plus not having the personnel to run an NBA pro style. With the older guys it's going to be tough to change habits but with the young ones you get them acclimated to NBA pro style and they will get used to it and be proficient in it. But it's like any offensive or defensive system (Pack line, 2-3 zone), it takes time and a couple recruiting classes to get everybody on the same page.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 17, 2018 21:32:48 GMT -5
I posted on this board in 2015 that we needed a PG that could drive and defend because DSR was neither? Why you stealing my thoughts Glide? What do I win guys. Apparently I was the 1st one to ever notice that to be good you need good PG play. Man what I would give for a pg that can run a offense as well as DSR.....Our guards make DSR look like CP3......😠If Peak were still here he would be our starting point guard because we don't have a Big East caliber point guard right now.
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Post by 72hoya on Jan 17, 2018 21:37:12 GMT -5
It is semantics, then let me change it to the Capital One Arena By the way this was Georgetown's largest margin of defeat since a 33-point loss to Maryland, 104-71, on Dec. 10, 1974 I wonder how many on this board saw that game? Not me.....I was born in 1975....😇 I did. Terrible game but this was worse
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:37:59 GMT -5
Sorry but lack of a point guard is just too easy an excuse for this mess. Guards that cannot shoot, only two ball handlers on the team, freshmen who shoot too much and do not defend, horrible perimeter defense, bigs who receive the ball inside and hesitate or bring it down making it easy for the defender, and telegraphed, lazy passes. There are many reasons why this is not working, but the absence of J.T. III has nothing to do with these losses. It was time for a change. Move on. No, it's not. I just said Brunson for example control the whole tempo of the game, not just for his team but a whole game and always does. Like Jay Wright said he smarter than the coaching staff including himself, and said he really meant this. This is one reason I love Jay Wright. He's not afraid to tell the truth. It makes him look like a genious at coaching that he is. The only mess is the one you created. Now, guilt is setting in. I get it is why I brought it up! Lots of times our bigs are not receiving the ball when and where they want it because our guards are not seeing them work hard to get open. I don't what basketball you're watching because obviously it's not the same as what I'm seeing dude. You just contradicted your own comment. All of what you mentioned is bad guard play LOL! No, I don't think it was time for a change. Personally, I don't because I knew we had that floor general coming in. Oh, trust me I've moved on, but I just want you to remember next time to be just a little more patient.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:40:06 GMT -5
Theres so much to say, but it would only be out of frustration. Its like Patrick is starting almost from scratch. This rebuild seems like it will take much longer than we have patience for, we need so much. If we can get a great pg, and a good competitive center. We can be competitive. Thats what I want, a genuinely competitive team across the board, at every position. Exactly!!! That's right where you start!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:43:39 GMT -5
Man what I would give for a pg that can run a offense as well as DSR.....Our guards make DSR look like CP3......😠If Peak were still here he would be our starting point guard because we don't have a Big East caliber point guard right now. I hear, but he'd probably be just as frustrated for the simply reason he's not a true point guard. lol...he does make good decisions on the ball as the clock is winding down, but will he know how to make his teammates better. A point guards job description is very lengthy... I've posted this numerous times but some still don't get it! here you go bro... www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:45:25 GMT -5
Agreed. In hindsight, it was probably an easy game to predict. Nova is scoring 80-90 points against good teams, and we played right into their style. Only chance this would have been close is some version of a burn offense. I still think it is the right choice for Ewing because I'm guessing its part of trying to attract recruits with a more up tempo, free style offense. Remember it was pass the hot potatoe and then big man comes high then dribble handoff, all the while looking for the most efficient shot and burning clock. But what happened is you ended up getting guys like Lubick and Kaleb who realized their shot wasn't efficient so they stopped shooting. With Lubick it got really bad but even with Kaleb this year I see how he is reverting to being scared to pull the trigger. The guards we had in the past got used to the hot potato passing and dribble handoff because it involves very little actual dribbling. So there's a mindset and laziness that develops under that system. So we're fighting that plus not having the personnel to run an NBA pro style. With the older guys it's going to be tough to change habits but with the young ones you get them acclimated to NBA pro style and they will get used to it and be proficient in it. But it's like any offensive or defensive system (Pack line, 2-3 zone), it takes time and a couple recruiting classes to get everybody on the same page. This is why III finally got it, and went out and got a floor general in Waters.... A floor generals job is very lengthy >>> www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:48:09 GMT -5
For those of us who do not understand how critical, valuable, essential, the importance a floor general is needed pls check this out www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html it's just having a potent quarterback/leader that leads his team without one you're doomed. Without a leader in life you're doomed. If you yourselves are not leaders you doomed. Basketball is life.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 17, 2018 21:48:42 GMT -5
No but see you didn't say the Hoyas needed a PG like I did. Its OK please direct all the congratulations of saying the Hoyas needed a great PG to be good to me guys. It was unknown until I and all my infinite wisdom shared it with you guys. I enlightened the board and deserve all the praise. ALL HAIL HOYAINLA!!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:50:38 GMT -5
I posted on this board in 2015 that we needed a PG that could drive and defend because DSR was neither? Why you stealing my thoughts Glide? What do I win guys. Apparently I was the 1st one to ever notice that to be good you need good PG play. Man what I would give for a pg that can run a offense as well as DSR.....Our guards make DSR look like CP3......😠I hope you're being sarcastic lol...
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Jan 17, 2018 21:51:16 GMT -5
Man what I would give for a pg that can run a offense as well as DSR.....Our guards make DSR look like CP3......😠If Peak were still here he would be our starting point guard because we don't have a Big East caliber point guard right now. Maybe not. Ewing might have started him at the 2, since we don't have a legit 2 guard either. It was a travesty Peak had to the run the point last year.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:52:22 GMT -5
If Peak were still here he would be our starting point guard because we don't have a Big East caliber point guard right now. Maybe not. Ewing might have started him at the 2, since we don't have a legit 2 guard either. It was a travesty Peak had to the run the point last year. Exactly!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:53:21 GMT -5
No but see you didn't say the Hoyas needed a PG like I did. Its OK please direct all the congratulations of saying the Hoyas needed a great PG to be good to me guys. It was unknown until I and all my infinite wisdom shared it with you guys. I enlightened the board and deserve all the praise. ALL HAIL HOYAINLA!!!!
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Post by saxagael on Jan 17, 2018 21:54:06 GMT -5
Sorry but lack of a point guard is just too easy an excuse for this mess. Guards that cannot shoot, only two ball handlers on the team, freshmen who shoot too much and do not defend, horrible perimeter defense, bigs who receive the ball inside and hesitate or bring it down making it easy for the defender, and telegraphed, lazy passes. There are many reasons why this is not working, but the absence of J.T. III has nothing to do with these losses. It was time for a change. Move on. No, it's not. I just said Brunson for example control the whole tempo of the game, not just for his team but a whole game and always does. Like Jay Wright said he smarter than the coaching staff including himself, and said he really meant this. This is one reason I love Jay Wright. He's not afraid to tell the truth. It makes him look like a genious at coaching that he is. The only mess is the one you created. Now, guilt is setting in. I get it is why I brought it up! Lots of times our bigs are not receiving the ball when and where they want it because our guards are not seeing them work hard to get open. I don't what basketball you're watching because obviously it's not the same as what I'm seeing dude. You just contradicted your own comment. All of what you mentioned is bad guard play LOL! No, I don't think it was time for a change. Personally, I don't because I knew we had that floor general coming in. Oh, trust me I've moved on, but I just want you to remember next time to be just a little more patient. Before Brunson Wright said the same about and used Arcidiacono the same way. He starts working with them as soon as they commit and it is a couple years before it fully blooms. With the Hoyas is it Wallace that would be working with the point guard? I'd love to see Starks show up to help Patrick on this front. Wallace came in as a good outside shooting guard and in three years turned into a decent point guard, after he played in Europe professionally he finally turned the corner on that and was quite good, but not fully sure he fills that role for Patrick. Wallace was a really smart player with a really good basketball IQ who is really good to listen to talk about the game and player development.
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TC
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2018 21:55:51 GMT -5
POST DELETED - CUT OUT THE PROFANITY III inherited far more talent than Patrick has with this group I'd argue that Patrick inherited a lot more talent in Waters/Derrickson/Govan/Peak. III just managed to convince everyone to stay which we now know is no small feat, and III added Wallace right away. I don't blame Patrick for this though - school put him in an impossible position, coming in late in the year, having never coached college, having no recruiting relationships in place like III did in bringing in Wallace. If there's someone to blame for this, it's the administration and the BoD for caving to the mob, the awful job they did on the search, for waiting too long to make a decision, and for bringing in someone who they put in an impossible position. We all knew this year would be a disaster, it's ridiculous to act outraged about it because this is what everyone asked for last year. Every game like this highlights the fact that we need guards though. Patrick has to at least stem the bleeding there for next year - McClung is going to be an upgrade but we need another guard so desperately that can run an offense and make some plays. It cannot wait until 2019, or we're not going to see any improvement.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:56:15 GMT -5
No, it's not. I just said Brunson for example control the whole tempo of the game, not just for his team but a whole game and always does. Like Jay Wright said he smarter than the coaching staff including himself, and said he really meant this. This is one reason I love Jay Wright. He's not afraid to tell the truth. It makes him look like a genious at coaching that he is. The only mess is the one you created. Now, guilt is setting in. I get it is why I brought it up! Lots of times our bigs are not receiving the ball when and where they want it because our guards are not seeing them work hard to get open. I don't what basketball you're watching because obviously it's not the same as what I'm seeing dude. You just contradicted your own comment. All of what you mentioned is bad guard play LOL! No, I don't think it was time for a change. Personally, I don't because I knew we had that floor general coming in. Oh, trust me I've moved on, but I just want you to remember next time to be just a little more patient. Before Brunson Wright said the same about and used Arcidiacono the same way. He starts working with them as soon as they commit and it is a couple years before it fully blooms. With the Hoyas is it Wallace that would be working with the point guard? I'd love to see Starks show up to help Patrick on this front. Wallace came in as a good outside shooting guard and in three years turned into a decent point guard, after he played in Europe professionally he finally turned the corner on that and was quite good, but not fully sure he fills that role for Patrick. Wallace was a really smart player with a really good basketball IQ who is really good to listen to talk about the game and player development. Yup, when Wallace went pro he really turned the corner into a nice point guard. Starks and especially Wright. As the season was winding down for Wright I think he had gotten it, but he got hurt. That's was a sticker man. smh
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