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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 21:57:02 GMT -5
III inherited far more talent than Patrick has with this group I'd argue that Patrick inherited a lot more talent in Waters/Derrickson/Govan/Peak. III just managed to convince everyone to stay which we now know is no small feat, and III added Wallace right away. I don't blame Patrick for this though - school put him in an impossible position, coming in late in the year, having never coached college, having no recruiting relationships in place like III did in bringing in Wallace. If there's someone to blame for this, it's the administration and the BoD for caving to the mob, the awful job they did on the search, for waiting too long to make a decision, and for bringing in someone who they put in an impossible position. We all knew this year would be a disaster, it's ridiculous to act outraged about it because this is what everyone asked for last year. Every game like this highlights the fact that we need guards though. Patrick has to at stem the bleeding there for next year - McClung is going to be an upgrade but we need another guard so desperately that can run an offense and make some plays. It cannot wait until 2019, or we're not going to see any improvement. Yup..
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 17, 2018 22:03:19 GMT -5
We really, really need to recruit a guard. Not necessarily one who can shoot. Just one with some talent. You do realize this is happening with a decent one showing up next year. How good McClung is isn't clear as high school games aren't really a challenge, but he does well with his travel team and can ball and run a team (to some degree). Meh. McClung won't be an impact guard at the college level. I'm talking consensus top 100 guards.
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2018 22:09:11 GMT -5
You do realize this is happening with a decent one showing up next year. How good McClung is isn't clear as high school games aren't really a challenge, but he does well with his travel team and can ball and run a team (to some degree). Meh. McClung won't be an impact guard at the college level. I'm talking consensus top 100 guards. There's like 1 consensus top 100 guard out there for 2018 - Quinerly, it's not going to happen. You're asking for a rainbow unicorn. We need to find someone like Wash and hope they're good.
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Post by kbones17 on Jan 17, 2018 22:09:23 GMT -5
Taped the game and haven’t watched it yet (not sure if I will watch it). Trying to look at the positive, I think it is impactful to PE to take such a butt-whoopin on your home court to your biggest rival. He already knew how far we had to come to compete with Nova (which has to be the goal), but being embarrassed like that as the head coach I think will make fire burn brighter to get us back to where we need to be. PE is a prideful guy, and I feel confident he will draw extra motivation from this performance. Very clear we need to get a bunch of better guards in here.
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Post by FLHoya on Jan 17, 2018 22:10:00 GMT -5
We all knew this year would be a disaster, it's ridiculous to act outraged about it because this is what everyone asked for last year. Still worth it. Oh, it's objectively terrible to watch a lot of the time and the home slate of games/results so far is something out of Dante. But yeah, if it's the price we had to pay, sure.
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Post by kbones17 on Jan 17, 2018 22:11:02 GMT -5
Taped the game and haven’t watched it yet (not sure if I will watch it). Trying to look at the positive, I think it is impactful to PE to take such a butt-whoopin on your home court to your biggest rival. He already knew how far we had to come to compete with Nova (which has to be the goal), but being embarrassed like that as the head coach I think will make fire burn brighter to get us back to where we need to be. PE is a prideful guy, and I feel confident he will draw extra motivation from this performance. Very clear we need to get a bunch of better guards in here. To be clear I have no idea if PE will actually succeed in getting us back battling with Nova for BE titles, but i will cling to that hope.
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Post by saxagael on Jan 17, 2018 22:13:05 GMT -5
You do realize this is happening with a decent one showing up next year. How good McClung is isn't clear as high school games aren't really a challenge, but he does well with his travel team and can ball and run a team (to some degree). Meh. McClung won't be an impact guard at the college level. I'm talking consensus top 100 guards. Like I said, decent. His high school games are a joke, but in bits I've seen from travel team games, he is decent, but not top 100. Most top 100 are committed or have their list narrowed to their top 5 and have had that since summer when Patrick and his coaches started in with recruiting.
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Post by GUJook97 on Jan 17, 2018 22:15:17 GMT -5
III inherited far more talent than Patrick has with this group I'd argue that Patrick inherited a lot more talent in Waters/Derrickson/Govan/Peak. III just managed to convince everyone to stay which we now know is no small feat, and III added Wallace right away. I don't blame Patrick for this though - school put him in an impossible position, coming in late in the year, having never coached college, having no recruiting relationships in place like III did in bringing in Wallace. If there's someone to blame for this, it's the administration and the BoD for caving to the mob, the awful job they did on the search, for waiting too long to make a decision, and for bringing in someone who they put in an impossible position. We all knew this year would be a disaster, it's ridiculous to act outraged about it because this is what everyone asked for last year. Every game like this highlights the fact that we need guards though. Patrick has to at least stem the bleeding there for next year - McClung is going to be an upgrade but we need another guard so desperately that can run an offense and make some plays. It cannot wait until 2019, or we're not going to see any improvement. Agree again. This was always going to be a ty, transition year, made more impossible by the late move. I don't blame Ewing for doing everything he can to convince recruits to come here, but it's going to lead to a lot of horrible nights like tonight, We could have played an ugly, slugfest style in the BE, but it's clear thats not going to happen.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 17, 2018 22:15:44 GMT -5
Sorry but lack of a point guard is just too easy an excuse for this mess. Guards that cannot shoot, only two ball handlers on the team, freshmen who shoot too much and do not defend, horrible perimeter defense, bigs who receive the ball inside and hesitate or bring it down making it easy for the defender, and telegraphed, lazy passes. There are many reasons why this is not working, but the absence of J.T. III has nothing to do with these losses. It was time for a change. Move on. No, it's not. I just said Brunson for example control the whole tempo of the game, not just for his team but a whole game and always does. Like Jay Wright said he smarter than the coaching staff including himself, and said he really meant this. This is one reason I love Jay Wright. He's not afraid to tell the truth. It makes him look like a genious at coaching that he is. The only mess is the one you created. Now, guilt is setting in. I get it is why I brought it up! Lots of times our bigs are not receiving the ball when and where they want it because our guards are not seeing them work hard to get open. I don't what basketball you're watching because obviously it's not the same as what I'm seeing dude. You just contradicted your own comment. All of what you mentioned is bad guard play LOL! No, I don't think it was time for a change. Personally, I don't because I knew we had that floor general coming in. Oh, trust me I've moved on, but I just want you to remember next time to be just a little more patient. Actually my only point is that it's not just a pg, it's much much more. A quality pg would not turn Mosley, Pickett, Kaleb or Blair into better shooters, better passers, or better ball handlers. Yes often the entry pass to the bigs is lacking or late, but Govan and MD are not blameless here as they often hold the ball too long, fail to go up strong, and put the ball on the floor. Of course a quality pg would help this team. So would a quality wing. Right now the Hoyas have a bunch of players with flawed games. Many would be a solid 6th or 7th man off the bench. Just not enough starters.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 17, 2018 22:16:16 GMT -5
Meh. McClung won't be an impact guard at the college level. I'm talking consensus top 100 guards. There's like 1 consensus top 100 guard out there for 2018 - Quinerly, it's not going to happen. You're asking for a rainbow unicorn. We need to find someone like Wash and hope they're good. Right. We need guards who stay not a rabbit out of a hat. Would easily take Pinson or Wash.
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Post by Problem of Dog on Jan 17, 2018 22:19:11 GMT -5
Meh. McClung won't be an impact guard at the college level. I'm talking consensus top 100 guards. There's like 1 consensus top 100 guard out there for 2018 - Quinerly, it's not going to happen. You're asking for a rainbow unicorn. We need to find someone like Wash and hope they're good. I'm not talking for 2018, I mean moving forward. We have no talent at the guard spot and McClung is not a better prospect than a couple of guys already on the roster were.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 17, 2018 22:19:41 GMT -5
I'd argue that Patrick inherited a lot more talent in Waters/Derrickson/Govan/Peak. III just managed to convince everyone to stay which we now know is no small feat, and III added Wallace right away. I don't blame Patrick for this though - school put him in an impossible position, coming in late in the year, having never coached college, having no recruiting relationships in place like III did in bringing in Wallace. If there's someone to blame for this, it's the administration and the BoD for caving to the mob, the awful job they did on the search, for waiting too long to make a decision, and for bringing in someone who they put in an impossible position. We all knew this year would be a disaster, it's ridiculous to act outraged about it because this is what everyone asked for last year. Every game like this highlights the fact that we need guards though. Patrick has to at stem the bleeding there for next year - McClung is going to be an upgrade but we need another guard so desperately that can run an offense and make some plays. It cannot wait until 2019, or we're not going to see any improvement. Yup.. Wait Waters decommitted before JTIII was fired. Peak declared in March. What alternative universe is this? Nevermind. It's hoyatalk. Alternative facts zone.
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Post by jamaicahoya on Jan 17, 2018 22:25:19 GMT -5
What I have learned so far in BE play is that the team, even with its guards' issues, can be competitive with the top tier of the league. They are just not seasoned enough to nurture solid starts and offensive surges or to close out games effectively. The Seton Hall game is a good example. A sold first half start was squandered in the Hall's unforgiving and unanswered run to end the half, and that was the difference because the second half was played to a draw. I wouldn't be surprised to see them give Nova a game. Mea culpa. I was wrong.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 17, 2018 22:27:55 GMT -5
Wait Waters decommitted before JTIII was fired. Peak declared in March. What alternative universe is this? Nevermind. It's hoyatalk. Alternative facts zone. We try never to let facts get in the way of an agenda.
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Post by playtyler on Jan 17, 2018 22:30:50 GMT -5
We are not going to beat Nova. I am just looking for a glimmer of coaching competence.
Upsets do happen. Even with teams who have much less talent (see Ohio u., fgcu, nc state beating us. Or George mason, vcu, uConn, butler NCAA tourney runs). We have not beaten a team that is decent.
Player improvement happens during a season. Anyone seeing that?
I am glad we didn’t have a bunch of 100-175 level teams in the oOC. We would have taken some bad losses. We need to show something to recruit the next group.
Broadus was somehow able to recruit through the disappointing results the last few years (peak, white, Copeland, Derrickson, govan, Waters). We needed to keep Broadus.
I don’t love the way the duke transfer was handled this week.
Please respond with strategic, player development, recruiting examples from Ewing that are reasons for hope.
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Post by TC on Jan 17, 2018 22:33:43 GMT -5
Wait Waters decommitted before JTIII was fired. Peak declared in March. What alternative universe is this? Nevermind. It's hoyatalk. Alternative facts zone. Listening to you guys deny that Waters wanted out because his coach was gonna be fired and then simultaneously complaining that the "cupboard is bare!" is the alternative facts zone. Ewing had him under LOI. He had a shot. He didn't get it done - and that's a setback that you probably can't fix till 2020 unless you think McClung is going to step up and be the solution.
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Post by hoyafan2014 on Jan 17, 2018 22:34:12 GMT -5
Brunson reminds me of a slightly better Smith-Rivera.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 22:37:13 GMT -5
Wait Waters decommitted before JTIII was fired. Peak declared in March. What alternative universe is this? Nevermind. It's hoyatalk. Alternative facts zone. No he didn't ...This may be HT, but I'm accurate. No alternative facts here. Remember Ewing went after him too. Hmmm...
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Post by thedragon on Jan 17, 2018 22:37:52 GMT -5
Brunson reminds me of a slightly better Smith-Rivera. I liked DSR. But that's like saying Isiaih Thomas was a slightly better Doc Rivers
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 17, 2018 22:40:19 GMT -5
No, it's not. I just said Brunson for example control the whole tempo of the game, not just for his team but a whole game and always does. Like Jay Wright said he smarter than the coaching staff including himself, and said he really meant this. This is one reason I love Jay Wright. He's not afraid to tell the truth. It makes him look like a genious at coaching that he is. The only mess is the one you created. Now, guilt is setting in. I get it is why I brought it up! Lots of times our bigs are not receiving the ball when and where they want it because our guards are not seeing them work hard to get open. I don't what basketball you're watching because obviously it's not the same as what I'm seeing dude. You just contradicted your own comment. All of what you mentioned is bad guard play LOL! No, I don't think it was time for a change. Personally, I don't because I knew we had that floor general coming in. Oh, trust me I've moved on, but I just want you to remember next time to be just a little more patient. Actually my only point is that it's not just a pg, it's much much more. A quality pg would not turn Mosley, Pickett, Kaleb or Blair into better shooters, better passers, or better ball handlers. Yes often the entry pass to the bigs is lacking or late, but Govan and MD are not blameless here as they often hold the ball too long, fail to go up strong, and put the ball on the floor. Of course a quality pg would help this team. So would a quality wing. Right now the Hoyas have a bunch of players with flawed games. Many would be a solid 6th or 7th man off the bench. Just not enough starters. Why repeat it. We've been through this last season saying it's more than just a point guard. Most here now know what the problem is it's guard play and not having a floor general ... A true leader!!! Again, you just said it yourself all of what you mentioned is poor guard play. Stop to justify yourself. Did you not see Brunson tonight. Trae Young. All those teams with legit point guards on how they control the tempo of a game??? Please read!!! www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.html
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