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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2017 10:59:12 GMT -5
The problem with the whole "building confidence" theory is that I really haven't seen much in the way of improvement as a team. As I noted elsewhere, Govan has definitely improved, but that's basically been true from opening day tipoff. One could argue that Kaleb Johnson has made some strides, so I'll grant that for purposes of argument.
But have we really improved, as a team? I think the last few games we've played have been demonstrably worse than the first few we played. One way to look at the offense and defense over time is to look at how many points we scored per possession ("PPP"), and how many we gave up to the other team per possession. It helps equalize for the fact that games have different numbers of possessions:
Jacksonville: Scored 1.01 PPP, gave up 0.79 PPP Mt. Saint Mary's: Scored 1.34 PPP, gave up 0.89 PPP UMES: Scored 1.19 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Richmond: Scored 1.21 PPP, gave up 1.12 PPP Maine: Scored 1.12 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Coppin State: Scored 1.03 PPP, gave up 0.81 PPP Howard: Scored 1.23 PPP, gave up 1.02 PPP NC A&T: Scored 1.05 PPP, gave up 0.95 PPP
For the sake of argument, we can assume that for the most part all of the teams on this list, except for Richmond, are of similar quality. Where is the improvement on either end of the ball? There is no discernible improvement on either end of the ball. It's only two games, but our defense in the last two games has been awful compared to previous games (except Richmond).
So, for all the talk about needing these games to improve and learn a system, I am seeing no indication that our team has actually improved over the course of playing these cupcakes.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 13, 2017 11:20:26 GMT -5
The problem with the whole "building confidence" theory is that I really haven't seen much in the way of improvement as a team. As I noted elsewhere, Govan has definitely improved, but that's basically been true from opening day tipoff. One could argue that Kaleb Johnson has made some strides, so I'll grant that for purposes of argument. But have we really improved, as a team? I think the last few games we've played have been demonstrably worse than the first few we played. One way to look at the offense and defense over time is to look at how many points we scored per possession ("PPP"), and how many we gave up to the other team per possession. It helps equalize for the fact that games have different numbers of possessions: Jacksonville: Scored 1.01 PPP, gave up 0.79 PPP Mt. Saint Mary's: Scored 1.34 PPP, gave up 0.89 PPP UMES: Scored 1.19 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Richmond: Scored 1.21 PPP, gave up 1.12 PPP Maine: Scored 1.12 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Coppin State: Scored 1.03 PPP, gave up 0.81 PPP Howard: Scored 1.23 PPP, gave up 1.02 PPP NC A&T: Scored 1.05 PPP, gave up 0.95 PPP For the sake of argument, we can assume that for the most part all of the teams on this list, except for Richmond, are of similar quality. Where is the improvement on either end of the ball? There is no discernible improvement on either end of the ball. It's only two games, but our defense in the last two games has been awful compared to previous games (except Richmond). So, for all the talk about needing these games to improve and learn a system, I am seeing no indication that our team has actually improved over the course of playing these cupcakes. This makes a lot of sense, but the one thing to keep in mind is that Richmond is probably the only game where Ewing tightened up the rotations. I don't have the time or data to do a full lineup analysis right now, but from what I've seen at the games is that the team does not perform as well when multiple starters are out of the game. I think it's going to be tough to know the impact of the schedule (positive or negative) until later in the season.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2017 11:30:16 GMT -5
This makes a lot of sense, but the one thing to keep in mind is that Richmond is probably the only game where Ewing tightened up the rotations. I don't have the time or data to do a full lineup analysis right now, but from what I've seen at the games is that the team does not perform as well when multiple starters are out of the game. I think it's going to be tough to know the impact of the schedule (positive or negative) until later in the season. I agree. Our starters are significantly better than the bench (that's true of nearly every team, of course, but I think it's especially true this year), and to the extent Ewing gives our starters and main bench guys (Mosely, Blair) most of the minutes, I do think that will lead to improvements on both ends of the floor. I expect Ewing to play a tight rotation on Saturday unless there's foul trouble.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 13, 2017 11:51:18 GMT -5
Right - we liked the idea because we assumed that the search committee actually made this offer and was acting aggressively on outside candidates with no ties whatsoever to Georgetown. I personally loved the idea of us poaching Cooley. In retrospect, does anyone believe that it went down the way Goodman says? That we were throwing around $4M offers wildly to people with no ties whatsoever to Georgetown? Here's Thamel's article reaming our search, mid-search - he cites that we were rebuffed by Chris Mack. Where do you think Thamel got that from? www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/04/02/georgetown-coaching-search-hoyas-thompson Your previous post cited numerous reasons why the 4 million offer was a terrible thing for Gtown but I don't see much evidence to back this theory up.. It's true that Thamels article says that Mack turned down Gtown but it also mentions Smart, Brey & Amaker as well as Cooley so you can't make it all about Mack.. The article also mentions how the fact that the administration waited 2 weeks after the last game to fire JT3 and didn't have any type of hiring plan to implement were big mistakes that cost them.. This is correct btw.. Bottom line to me is that Goodmans report about the 4 mill was not a big deal.. The anonymous source article was far worse(and a garbage piece)but I would have handled it differently if I were Gtown.. Lastly, we know now how the process went, JT2 called PE, PE put his hat in the ring and here we are..
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 13, 2017 13:00:19 GMT -5
The problem with the whole "building confidence" theory is that I really haven't seen much in the way of improvement as a team. As I noted elsewhere, Govan has definitely improved, but that's basically been true from opening day tipoff. One could argue that Kaleb Johnson has made some strides, so I'll grant that for purposes of argument. But have we really improved, as a team? I think the last few games we've played have been demonstrably worse than the first few we played. One way to look at the offense and defense over time is to look at how many points we scored per possession ("PPP"), and how many we gave up to the other team per possession. It helps equalize for the fact that games have different numbers of possessions: Jacksonville: Scored 1.01 PPP, gave up 0.79 PPP Mt. Saint Mary's: Scored 1.34 PPP, gave up 0.89 PPP UMES: Scored 1.19 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Richmond: Scored 1.21 PPP, gave up 1.12 PPP Maine: Scored 1.12 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Coppin State: Scored 1.03 PPP, gave up 0.81 PPP Howard: Scored 1.23 PPP, gave up 1.02 PPP NC A&T: Scored 1.05 PPP, gave up 0.95 PPP For the sake of argument, we can assume that for the most part all of the teams on this list, except for Richmond, are of similar quality. Where is the improvement on either end of the ball? There is no discernible improvement on either end of the ball. It's only two games, but our defense in the last two games has been awful compared to previous games (except Richmond). So, for all the talk about needing these games to improve and learn a system, I am seeing no indication that our team has actually improved over the course of playing these cupcakes. It was posited as a theory of why Ewing scheduled as he did. It may be proven true or false. Perhaps it is false given what you have provided as empirical evidence. OTOH, if we whack Syracuse, maybe it's true!
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Post by tashoya on Dec 13, 2017 13:08:23 GMT -5
Also, one can assume that it was for confidence building and improvement in play and team chemistry. However, whether or not those things happen is a separate thing. If the team isn't developing as hoped, it's not as though you can change the schedule mid-stream.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Dec 13, 2017 13:20:00 GMT -5
You can piece together what the story is. This is Ewing's schedule -- based on his experience as a player, but more importantly from people he respects. He was walking into a grim situation, a team expected to finish at the bottom of the league. He didn't know the players. He was trying to figure out what he had. From various comments, it's clear that Chris Mullin told him that other coaches recruited against him because of his poor early record. He would do it differently if he had a do-over. JT2 clearly would advise on the softer schedule from experience and his comments that his son's dismissal was based on wins and losses and the overly aggressive non-conference schedule didn't help him in that regard.
So, it makes sense for Ewing to want to see an extended audition by the players, get some wins, keep a positive attitude (something the program lacked) in the pre-conference and let the chips fall where they may in conference play. It doesn't mean that the schedule will be of the same strength every year.
As someone astutely pointed out, the only way it makes a difference is if we finish about .500 in conference and on the NCAA bubble and the SOS keeps us out of the dance. Not likely to be a concern.
Let's just move on.
And, I don't like Goodman ragging on us all the time. He's a baby and it seems a bit personal. Patrick should bring him and the WaPo reporters in for a chat and have an honest off-the-record conversation about what he's doing and why. It would make them feel better. We'd see less offensive headlines and they'd see he plans to bring the program forward. They will want that access when it happens and act accordingly.
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 13, 2017 14:21:30 GMT -5
The problem with the whole "building confidence" theory is that I really haven't seen much in the way of improvement as a team. As I noted elsewhere, Govan has definitely improved, but that's basically been true from opening day tipoff. One could argue that Kaleb Johnson has made some strides, so I'll grant that for purposes of argument. But have we really improved, as a team? I think the last few games we've played have been demonstrably worse than the first few we played. One way to look at the offense and defense over time is to look at how many points we scored per possession ("PPP"), and how many we gave up to the other team per possession. It helps equalize for the fact that games have different numbers of possessions: Jacksonville: Scored 1.01 PPP, gave up 0.79 PPP Mt. Saint Mary's: Scored 1.34 PPP, gave up 0.89 PPP UMES: Scored 1.19 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Richmond: Scored 1.21 PPP, gave up 1.12 PPP Maine: Scored 1.12 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Coppin State: Scored 1.03 PPP, gave up 0.81 PPP Howard: Scored 1.23 PPP, gave up 1.02 PPP NC A&T: Scored 1.05 PPP, gave up 0.95 PPP For the sake of argument, we can assume that for the most part all of the teams on this list, except for Richmond, are of similar quality. Where is the improvement on either end of the ball? There is no discernible improvement on either end of the ball. It's only two games, but our defense in the last two games has been awful compared to previous games (except Richmond). So, for all the talk about needing these games to improve and learn a system, I am seeing no indication that our team has actually improved over the course of playing these cupcakes. Points all well taken. However, our performance over the last couple of games has actually made it easier for me to accept the schedule (something that I couldn't do originally). Whether the issue is in adjusting to a new coach, the level of talent, or some of both, part of my original concern with the schedule was that it undersold our ability to play and beat somewhat better teams. While I still have an issue with reneging on a commitment to PK80 (YMMV), I no longer feel that we could have achieved wins and the desired amount of playing time by playing teams further up the rankings. The question does remain as to whether taking a few lumps along the way would have made us a better team but that's really unresolvable.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 13, 2017 14:40:29 GMT -5
The problem with the whole "building confidence" theory is that I really haven't seen much in the way of improvement as a team. As I noted elsewhere, Govan has definitely improved, but that's basically been true from opening day tipoff. One could argue that Kaleb Johnson has made some strides, so I'll grant that for purposes of argument. But have we really improved, as a team? I think the last few games we've played have been demonstrably worse than the first few we played. One way to look at the offense and defense over time is to look at how many points we scored per possession ("PPP"), and how many we gave up to the other team per possession. It helps equalize for the fact that games have different numbers of possessions: Jacksonville: Scored 1.01 PPP, gave up 0.79 PPP Mt. Saint Mary's: Scored 1.34 PPP, gave up 0.89 PPP UMES: Scored 1.19 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Richmond: Scored 1.21 PPP, gave up 1.12 PPP Maine: Scored 1.12 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Coppin State: Scored 1.03 PPP, gave up 0.81 PPP Howard: Scored 1.23 PPP, gave up 1.02 PPP NC A&T: Scored 1.05 PPP, gave up 0.95 PPP For the sake of argument, we can assume that for the most part all of the teams on this list, except for Richmond, are of similar quality. Where is the improvement on either end of the ball? There is no discernible improvement on either end of the ball. It's only two games, but our defense in the last two games has been awful compared to previous games (except Richmond). So, for all the talk about needing these games to improve and learn a system, I am seeing no indication that our team has actually improved over the course of playing these cupcakes. Points all well taken. However, our performance over the last couple of games has actually made it easier for me to accept the schedule (something that I couldn't do originally). Whether the issue is in adjusting to a new coach, the level of talent, or some of both, part of my original concern with the schedule was that it undersold our ability to play and beat somewhat better teams. While I still have an issue with reneging on a commitment to PK80 (YMMV), I no longer feel that we could have achieved wins and the desired amount of playing time by playing teams further up the rankings. The question does remain as to whether taking a few lumps along the way would have made us a better team but that's really unresolvable. DePaul went 1-2 in the PK80 with one of the losses coming in ot and the win was a blowout from the jump.. You really don't think Gtown could have done that? I'll say it again, Gtown would likely be 8-2 right now if they stayed in and just as importantly very few would be talking about the schedule..
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Post by iowa80 on Dec 13, 2017 14:52:03 GMT -5
Points all well taken. However, our performance over the last couple of games has actually made it easier for me to accept the schedule (something that I couldn't do originally). Whether the issue is in adjusting to a new coach, the level of talent, or some of both, part of my original concern with the schedule was that it undersold our ability to play and beat somewhat better teams. While I still have an issue with reneging on a commitment to PK80 (YMMV), I no longer feel that we could have achieved wins and the desired amount of playing time by playing teams further up the rankings. The question does remain as to whether taking a few lumps along the way would have made us a better team but that's really unresolvable. DePaul went 1-2 in the PK80 with one of the losses coming in ot and the win was a blowout from the jump.. You really don't think Gtown could have done that? I'll say it again, Gtown would likely be 8-2 right now if they stated in and just as importantly very few would be talking about the schedule.. I don't really know how we would have done, but, as I said above, I do have an issue with dropping out of PK80. My main point, however, is that a lot of my initial concern with the schedule was driven by the fact that I (won't speak for anyone else) thought the team would be somewhat better than it is.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 13, 2017 15:03:28 GMT -5
DePaul went 1-2 in the PK80 with one of the losses coming in ot and the win was a blowout from the jump.. You really don't think Gtown could have done that? I'll say it again, Gtown would likely be 8-2 right now if they stated in and just as importantly very few would be talking about the schedule.. I don't really know how we would have done, but, as I said above, I do have an issue with dropping out of PK80. My main point, however, is that a lot of my initial concern with the schedule was driven by the fact that I (won't speak for anyone else) thought the team would be somewhat better than it is. Fair enough.. I was mainly referring to your thoughts on wins & playing time.. I believe Gtown at least one win and even better they would have gotten 80 more minutes of playing time for the players..
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Post by seaweed on Dec 13, 2017 15:05:50 GMT -5
Wow, let's not kid ourselves - if Ewing had stayed in PK80 and scheduled all sub-300 RPI teams with the remaining OOC, LOTS of people would be saying he only played PK80 because he had to and whipping up cupcakes for the rest of the schedule was lame. Especially if we won a game at the tourney. Don't sell this fan base short - they are capable of a great deal of whining, eh, I mean "talking"
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Post by the_way on Dec 13, 2017 15:12:36 GMT -5
Confidence is crucial.
Our team suffered from a lack of self-esteem (playing-wise) the last 2 years. Especially last year.
One possible reason for the dropoff in play, is that the players are bored and need a new challenge.
Cupcake schedule was good just for everybody, including Ewing, to get their feet wet trying get this program back up and running.
After beating a few teams easily, what is next? More cupcakes? These are 18-22 year olds now. Not shocking for complacency to kick in, knowing the game is in hand before it even starts.
Hindsight is 20/20, so Ewing probably overdid it with the schedule. But again, can't change it now. The issue only comes into play if the team is borderline/on the bubble.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 13, 2017 15:17:05 GMT -5
Wow, let's not kid ourselves - if Ewing had stayed in PK80 and scheduled all sub-300 RPI teams with the remaining OOC, LOTS of people would be saying he only played PK80 because he had to and whipping up cupcakes for the rest of the schedule was lame. Especially if we won a game at the tourney. Don't sell this fan base short - they are capable of a great deal of whining, eh, I mean "talking" Definitely possible Seaweed but I can say for certain that I wouldn't be the one leading that charge..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 13, 2017 16:20:50 GMT -5
You can piece together what the story is. This is Ewing's schedule -- based on his experience as a player, but more importantly from people he respects. He was walking into a grim situation, a team expected to finish at the bottom of the league. He didn't know the players. He was trying to figure out what he had. From various comments, it's clear that Chris Mullin told him that other coaches recruited against him because of his poor early record. He would do it differently if he had a do-over. JT2 clearly would advise on the softer schedule from experience and his comments that his son's dismissal was based on wins and losses and the overly aggressive non-conference schedule didn't help him in that regard. So, it makes sense for Ewing to want to see an extended audition by the players, get some wins, keep a positive attitude (something the program lacked) in the pre-conference and let the chips fall where they may in conference play. It doesn't mean that the schedule will be of the same strength every year. As someone astutely pointed out, the only way it makes a difference is if we finish about .500 in conference and on the NCAA bubble and the SOS keeps us out of the dance. Not likely to be a concern. Let's just move on. And, I don't like Goodman ragging on us all the time. He's a baby and it seems a bit personal. Patrick should bring him and the WaPo reporters in for a chat and have an honest off-the-record conversation about what he's doing and why. It would make them feel better. We'd see less offensive headlines and they'd see he plans to bring the program forward. They will want that access when it happens and act accordingly. Good points here. I did want to point out that Louis Orr is an interesting guy to look at. In his 5 seasons at Seton Hall from 2002 through 2006, he generally scheduled pretty tough opponents - not crazy difficult, but not total cupcakes either. For reference, in his first year, his team did the Maui tournament. Orr's 2002 Pirates played teams ranked: 1, 4, 32, 147, 154, 156, 214, 218, 231, 308, 318 (5-11 in Big East) Orr's 2003 Pirates played teams ranked: 7, 10, 68, 69, 75, 118, 221, 237, 239, 242, 271 (10-6 in Big East) Orr's 2004 Pirates played teams ranked: 19, 57, 58, 86, 137, 148, 161, 181, 183, 194, 297 (8 seed, 10-6 in the Big East) Orr's 2005 Pirates played teams ranked: 28, 104, 114, 124, 159, 179, 251, 215, 243, 272, 297 (4-12 in Big East) Orr's 2006 Pirates played teams ranked: 2, 65, 108, 123, 134, 146, 164, 173, 209, 246, 333 (10 seed, 9-7 in the Big East) If you look at Orr's OOC's you'll notice a few main things: - Very few teams ranked 300+ (only 3 in 5 seasons; in contrast we have 8 this season alone) - A lot of games in the mid-100s through mid 200s. So in that sense, Ewing is not scheduling as Orr did. So either he's taking his philosophy from his playing days or from discussions with John Thompson Jr., who did schedule this way in an era where the NCAA tournament committee didn't care much about schedules. That said, Orr's past gives me some confidence we will see change. Given how close Ewing/Orr are, I find it hard to believe they have not discussed the benefits/pitfalls to our schedule this season. I would not mind seeing a schedule next year resembling something like what Orr did - preferably a November tournament, Syracuse, and then teams in the 100-250 range.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 13, 2017 16:59:44 GMT -5
The problem with the whole "building confidence" theory is that I really haven't seen much in the way of improvement as a team. As I noted elsewhere, Govan has definitely improved, but that's basically been true from opening day tipoff. One could argue that Kaleb Johnson has made some strides, so I'll grant that for purposes of argument. But have we really improved, as a team? I think the last few games we've played have been demonstrably worse than the first few we played. One way to look at the offense and defense over time is to look at how many points we scored per possession ("PPP"), and how many we gave up to the other team per possession. It helps equalize for the fact that games have different numbers of possessions: Jacksonville: Scored 1.01 PPP, gave up 0.79 PPP Mt. Saint Mary's: Scored 1.34 PPP, gave up 0.89 PPP UMES: Scored 1.19 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Richmond: Scored 1.21 PPP, gave up 1.12 PPP Maine: Scored 1.12 PPP, gave up .81 PPP Coppin State: Scored 1.03 PPP, gave up 0.81 PPP Howard: Scored 1.23 PPP, gave up 1.02 PPP NC A&T: Scored 1.05 PPP, gave up 0.95 PPP For the sake of argument, we can assume that for the most part all of the teams on this list, except for Richmond, are of similar quality. Where is the improvement on either end of the ball? There is no discernible improvement on either end of the ball. It's only two games, but our defense in the last two games has been awful compared to previous games (except Richmond). So, for all the talk about needing these games to improve and learn a system, I am seeing no indication that our team has actually improved over the course of playing these cupcakes. I'm an optimist. So IMO the reason why we haven't seen the improvement yet is that there hasn't needed to be any demonstration of it yet. I'm hoping on Saturday is where we'll see the first signs of the improvement. I think we've gotten better, just haven't demonstrated it yet.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 13, 2017 17:06:42 GMT -5
Points all well taken. However, our performance over the last couple of games has actually made it easier for me to accept the schedule (something that I couldn't do originally). Whether the issue is in adjusting to a new coach, the level of talent, or some of both, part of my original concern with the schedule was that it undersold our ability to play and beat somewhat better teams. While I still have an issue with reneging on a commitment to PK80 (YMMV), I no longer feel that we could have achieved wins and the desired amount of playing time by playing teams further up the rankings. The question does remain as to whether taking a few lumps along the way would have made us a better team but that's really unresolvable. DePaul went 1-2 in the PK80 with one of the losses coming in ot and the win was a blowout from the jump.. You really don't think Gtown could have done that? I'll say it again, Gtown would likely be 8-2 right now if they stayed in and just as importantly very few would be talking about the schedule.. The problem is you cannot know that for sure. After the PK 80 we'd have been (assuming your argument that we'd have gone 1-2 just because DePaul did (maybe we'd have gone 0-3 and gotten blown out and it might not even mean we're worse than DePaul matchups matter anda team's psyche does too)) 4-2 with wins over Jacksonville, Mt.St. Mary's, MD Eastern Shore, and Portland. We wouldn't have had the game @ richmond or vs. Maine. Maybe those 2 loses though are enough to shake the team's confidence and we come home and lose Coppin St or Howard which pretty much torpedo's our season. You can't just assume that if we replace @ richmond and vs. Maine with the PK 80 that everything after that would stay the same.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 17:44:51 GMT -5
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Post by wrestlemania on Dec 13, 2017 18:16:19 GMT -5
Some of this is fueled by history -- over the years Georgetown's relationship with the media has not exactly been cozy, so the program is unlikely to get the benefit of the doubt (the perception that JT2 is still pulling the strings probably doesn't help). But given how things have been going at ESPN lately, Goodman may be on borrowed time anyway.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 13, 2017 20:05:08 GMT -5
DePaul went 1-2 in the PK80 with one of the losses coming in ot and the win was a blowout from the jump.. You really don't think Gtown could have done that? I'll say it again, Gtown would likely be 8-2 right now if they stayed in and just as importantly very few would be talking about the schedule.. The problem is you cannot know that for sure. After the PK 80 we'd have been (assuming your argument that we'd have gone 1-2 just because DePaul did (maybe we'd have gone 0-3 and gotten blown out and it might not even mean we're worse than DePaul matchups matter anda team's psyche does too)) 4-2 with wins over Jacksonville, Mt.St. Mary's, MD Eastern Shore, and Portland. We wouldn't have had the game @ richmond or vs. Maine. Maybe those 2 loses though are enough to shake the team's confidence and we come home and lose Coppin St or Howard which pretty much torpedo's our season. You can't just assume that if we replace @ richmond and vs. Maine with the PK 80 that everything after that would stay the same. True indeed, I don't know what would have happened for sure that's why I prefaced the thought with the word "likely".. If you want to assume that the worst case scenario would have happened, that's cool but I've seen enough of DePaul & Oregon this season to feel strongly that even as flawed as Gtown is they can play with either of them.. The match-ups for the tourney were pre-determined but maybe Gtown could have played Uconn but they’re nothing to be scared of either.. DePaul's path would have very likely been Gtown's path.. The Richmond game would have been lost but I don't see why the Maine game couldn't have stayed the same, it would have been good practice for the Saturday-Monday turn arounds that happen in BE play.. If losing to Mich St & Oregon shakes a team so badly that they lose to Coppin State or Howard the the season was probably gonna be a horrible one anyway.. I just don't get this fear folks have for losses though, they're inevitable so learn to deal with them..
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