IDenj
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Post by IDenj on Mar 31, 2017 14:15:59 GMT -5
The things I take away from this : - the guys with the inside information (B&G, Ron, Casual) are all pushing to various degrees that the assistants, especially Broadus be retained in some form. Literally no one else is pushing this. I don't blame them for trying, but you can't kneecap an incoming coach by not letting them hire their own staff - Ron and Casual are justifying this in part by saying we won't have time to sign people in the spring. You let the assistants try to sign kids to a program that doesn't have a head coach yet - you're not going to get good players (who wants to sign on to a ghost program that could hire a coach who potentially doghouses you?) and you make the job less attractive to incoming coaches who want all the slots for their guys. The best rebuild situation is a blank slate - you've got tremendously low expectations and all the control. - worst possible scenario is we end up with an interim coach because we panic about spring recruiting 5th years and transfers. Especially if an interim coach ends up being one of our assistants who have bombed out at small programs. It sends a perception message that no one wants this job, it sends a perception message to recruits that the program isn't a good one and doesn't have it's ducks in a row. I can't think of anything that would set our program back more. I doubt the committee ends up at that point. They'll hire someone. - I wouldn't freak out about 5 no's. May just mean we inquired about a lot of home runs. I'd have hoped we racked up more home run no's than 5. Ron is pushing for an assistant? Where you getting that??
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 31, 2017 14:18:12 GMT -5
I want a coach who recruits well. Most importantly, I want a coach who openly embraces and communicates with the fan base. That is one aspect of the Hoya culture that absolutely must change. I agree 100%. While I supported JT3, I think this is one area where he and the administration handled things terribly. I firmly believe that JT3's poor communication and PR with the fanbase contributed to his demise happening more quickly than it otherwise may have happened. We are in the 21st century, and a bunker mentality doesn't help anybody.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 31, 2017 14:32:17 GMT -5
I want a coach who recruits well. Most importantly, I want a coach who openly embraces and communicates with the fan base. That is one aspect of the Hoya culture that absolutely must change. I agree 100%. While I supported JT3, I think this is one area where he and the administration handled things terribly. I firmly believe that JT3's poor communication and PR with the fanbase contributed to his demise happening more quickly than it otherwise may have happened. We are in the 21st century, and a bunker mentality doesn't help anybody. I'd settle for a coach who communicates well w the players on the court
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2017 14:38:41 GMT -5
Let's see if you can still say this once we, you know, actually make the hire. You seem very eager to declare yourself correct on this. Anyone we hire is going to position this program in a better place than it was on March 22, 2017. Anyone. That's optimistic. We can still get worse you know. Regardless, being better than the 9th best team in a 10 team Big East shouldn't be the goal or the point of satisfaction. If Georgetown doesn't get a coach that will be able to match or exceed JTIII's first 11 years, they would have been better off holding this coaching change off a year until they developed a plan. Only time will tell. I don't agree. Past 2 seasons, and the disintegration of the program that was in process, far more important than his first 11. Direction was beyond salvaging IMO. I think anyone who comes in fresh puts us in a better spot.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 31, 2017 14:40:08 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 31, 2017 14:50:01 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around. Well things are starting to leak out.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 31, 2017 14:54:20 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around. Well things are starting to leak out. With that said, a leak like this is bound to happen when you start making a play for currently signed coaches.
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2017 14:58:19 GMT -5
Well things are starting to leak out. With that said, a leak like this is bound to happen when you start making a play for currently signed coaches. Will Goodman get a cut of Mack's raise? They're Pac-Man rivals, you know.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Mar 31, 2017 15:00:59 GMT -5
Yikes. Mack is a good coach, but poaching from within the conference...pretty low imo.
Maybe we're getting desperate?
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 31, 2017 15:01:09 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around. No problem with this, Mack is a stud. Not sure why the Hoyas thought he would say yes? At that number, we should start getting calls from some agents of halfway decent coaches that are currently under contracts. I think we can also squash those Amaker rumors, he is not close to that level of compensation. We are currently operating way above his pay grade right now. I like it.
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2017 15:01:54 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around. I love it! If we're the type of program that fires JT3, we are the type of program that'll take from another conference school and throw money at them. Let's get Cooley!
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 31, 2017 15:02:17 GMT -5
This program needs a culture change, the culture of Hoya Paronoia has to go.. No more bunker mentality stuff.. Gtowns culture is why I'm not feeling PE for coach.. Do you think it would be hard to cut ties after a couple of years if Ewing is not working out? I don't even want to think that far ahead, just feel like Ewing will continue the closed off traits that JT2 & JT3 have shown for decades.. Time for the program to chart a new path imho..
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Mar 31, 2017 15:03:59 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around. No problem with this, Mack is a stud. Not sure why the Hoyas thought he would say yes? At that number, we should start getting calls from some agents of halfway decent coaches that are currently under contracts. I think we can also squash those Amaker rumors, he is not close to that level of compensation. We are currently operating way above his pay grade right now. I like it. I don't think we did. I think this was to peak the interest of other people with out actually contacting them.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 31, 2017 15:05:03 GMT -5
Yikes. Mack is a good coach, but poaching from within the conference...pretty low imo. Maybe we're getting desperate? I'm with you Arlington, this is low brow stuff..
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 31, 2017 15:06:05 GMT -5
This is exactly what I would do if contacted by Korn Ferry. Have a network rep tweet that you were contacted about the Gtown opening to raise your stock and negotiate a better deal with your current school. If you pursue the Gtown opportunity and are the runner-up, your stock goes down and you get no raise.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 31, 2017 15:06:06 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around. Well things are starting to leak out. How and from whom? Not sure that I buy this.
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2017 15:08:47 GMT -5
How and from whom? Not sure that I buy this. Check out Casual's twitter feed, Mack and Goodman are tweeting at each other yesterday. Mack must have fed it to Goodman.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 31, 2017 15:10:02 GMT -5
Yikes. Mack is a good coach, but poaching from within the conference...pretty low imo. Maybe we're getting desperate? College Basketball can be a "Cut Throat" business.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 31, 2017 15:12:02 GMT -5
No problem with this, Mack is a stud. Not sure why the Hoyas thought he would say yes? At that number, we should start getting calls from some agents of halfway decent coaches that are currently under contracts. I think we can also squash those Amaker rumors, he is not close to that level of compensation. We are currently operating way above his pay grade right now. I like it. I don't think we did. I think this was to peak the interest of other people with out actually contacting them. Agree with you, it is a signal to other coaches/agents. I hope Greg Marshall is listening. Talk about bringing back an attitude/arrogance to the program. He would do it.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 31, 2017 15:12:06 GMT -5
How and from whom? Not sure that I buy this. Check out Casual's twitter feed, Mack and Goodman are tweeting at each other yesterday. Mack must have fed it to Goodman. That would be logical. It would also be logical for Mack to feather his own nest.
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