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Post by bostonfan on Mar 31, 2017 15:12:08 GMT -5
Guess we arent afraid to raid the BE and have money to throw around. This "news" make it seem that the search committee has no intention of settling for whatever coach they can get. Sounds like they continue to swing for the fences with people that no one assumes is really available. You keep asking, and offering this kind of money, someone is going to bite and it could very well be someone that no one on this board is even considering.
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 31, 2017 15:12:59 GMT -5
Yikes. Mack is a good coach, but poaching from within the conference...pretty low imo. Maybe we're getting desperate? College Basketball can be a "Cut Throat" business. Going after the best coaches available. I guess we are trying to build rivalries at the same time.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 31, 2017 15:18:35 GMT -5
College Basketball can be a "Cut Throat" business. Going after the best coaches available. I guess we are trying to build rivalries at the same time. We are working our way down to Dave Leitao.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 31, 2017 15:20:17 GMT -5
College Basketball can be a "Cut Throat" business. Going after the best coaches available. I guess we are trying to build rivalries at the same time. Just imagine how Xavier fans are feeling right now.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 31, 2017 15:20:31 GMT -5
Jon Wallace would do it for one tenth that amount
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Post by This Just In on Mar 31, 2017 15:20:45 GMT -5
Going after the best coaches available. I guess we are trying to build rivalries at the same time. We are working our way down to Dave Leitao. I would take Tommy Amaker any day of the week over Dave Leitao.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Mar 31, 2017 15:23:39 GMT -5
Jon Wallace would do it for one tenth that amount Actually less. And...that's the point.
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2017 15:24:01 GMT -5
Jay Wright want a $1M raise? We're not wearing the monocles and drinking our tea with our pinkies in the air anymore, let's go hard after everyone good - Wright, Cooley, etc
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Post by Buckets on Mar 31, 2017 15:28:08 GMT -5
How and from whom? Not sure that I buy this. Check out Casual's twitter feed, Mack and Goodman are tweeting at each other yesterday. Mack must have fed it to Goodman. The amount of "news" relating to this search that is actually the writer transparently advancing the interests of someone with either no interest or no chance at getting this job is getting close to 100%. We offered Chris Mack $4M to leave his alma mater where he just went to the Elite 8 and is in our conference? OK. We need to carefully examine the candidacy of Anthony Solomon who's been on the staff for a year and went 24-88 in his last head coaching gig? Sure.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 31, 2017 15:28:23 GMT -5
That's optimistic. We can still get worse you know. Regardless, being better than the 9th best team in a 10 team Big East shouldn't be the goal or the point of satisfaction. If Georgetown doesn't get a coach that will be able to match or exceed JTIII's first 11 years, they would have been better off holding this coaching change off a year until they developed a plan. Only time will tell. I don't agree. Past 2 seasons, and the disintegration of the program that was in process, far more important than his first 11. Direction was beyond salvaging IMO. I think anyone who comes in fresh puts us in a better spot. "Far more important". Please. If it weren't for his previous 11 years, the last two would have been business as usual. While the last two years are unacceptable, III is a victim of his own success. The sense of entitlement throughout the fanbases is egregious. Success is not a guarantee and a perennial to 25 team and NCAA tournament team is much more difficult a task than people are making it out to be. While III might not have been the man for the job anymore there is certainly no guarantee his replacement will be much better.
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Post by DudeSlade on Mar 31, 2017 15:28:39 GMT -5
sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/Check out the list of Big East coach salaries. $4M is significantly higher than anyone else. We are signaling very clearly with the biggest stick we have that this is THE premiere job in the Big East. Next highest is Jay Wright at $2.5M. Mack makes $1.4M. I am firmly a believer that if you love your job, don't let money be the sole decider, but it seems hard to believe that Mack would turn down a 285% increase in pay to do largely a similar job at a great institution. For no other reason than the signaling of the size of the job, I actually like that this "news" leaked out.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on Mar 31, 2017 15:30:19 GMT -5
sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/Check out the list of Big East coach salaries. $4M is significantly higher than anyone else. We are signaling very clearly with the biggest stick we have that this is THE premiere job in the Big East. Next highest is Jay Wright at $2.5M. Mack makes $1.4M. I am firmly a believer that if you love your job, don't let money be the sole decider, but it seems hard to believe that Mack would turn down a 285% increase in pay to do largely a similar job at a great institution. For no other reason than the signaling of the size of the job, I actually like that this "news" leaked out. I actually think that for this reason there could be a chance that there's a GU element behind this leak.
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Post by TC on Mar 31, 2017 15:31:05 GMT -5
I'm looking forward to hearing some more interviews where coaches kiss JT Jr's legacy up and down to get on the radar. $4M a year will do that.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 31, 2017 15:35:19 GMT -5
I don't agree. Past 2 seasons, and the disintegration of the program that was in process, far more important than his first 11. Direction was beyond salvaging IMO. I think anyone who comes in fresh puts us in a better spot. "Far more important". Please. If it weren't for his previous 11 years, the last two would have been business as usual. While the last two years are unacceptable, III is a victim of his own success. The sense of entitlement throughout the fanbases is egregious. Success is not a guarantee and a perennial to 25 team and NCAA tournament team is much more difficult a task than people are making it out to be. While III might not have been the man for the job anymore there is certainly no guarantee his replacement will be much better. I think that it's necessary to dispute some of this without stooping to some of the unnecessarily argumentative tactics of the past here. III was not a victim of his own success and an "entitled" fanbase. Nobody needs to read again the litany of reasons why things were not working out and were not working out in a serious way. I understand that there was a case to be made for retaining him, but that case was not merit-based, as was the reasonable case for his termination.
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2017 15:39:39 GMT -5
I don't agree. Past 2 seasons, and the disintegration of the program that was in process, far more important than his first 11. Direction was beyond salvaging IMO. I think anyone who comes in fresh puts us in a better spot. "Far more important". Please. If it weren't for his previous 11 years, the last two would have been business as usual. While the last two years are unacceptable, III is a victim of his own success. The sense of entitlement throughout the fanbases is egregious. Success is not a guarantee and a perennial to 25 team and NCAA tournament team is much more difficult a task than people are making it out to be. While III might not have been the man for the job anymore there is certainly no guarantee his replacement will be much better. I think III can be a good coach in the right situation. He hasn't been a good coach the past few seasons here. For many reasons, including his declining results and the way he chose to operate the program, Georgetown was no longer the right situation for any party involved. Notice I said the direction of the program will improve. That's what I'm looking forward to. IMO, things were not going to get better if we stayed the course.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 31, 2017 15:41:07 GMT -5
"Far more important". Please. If it weren't for his previous 11 years, the last two would have been business as usual. While the last two years are unacceptable, III is a victim of his own success. The sense of entitlement throughout the fanbases is egregious. Success is not a guarantee and a perennial to 25 team and NCAA tournament team is much more difficult a task than people are making it out to be. While III might not have been the man for the job anymore there is certainly no guarantee his replacement will be much better. I think that it's necessary to dispute some of this without stooping to some of the unnecessarily argumentative tactics of the past here. III was not a victim of his own success and an "entitled" fanbase. Nobody needs to read again the litany of reasons why things were not working out and were not working out in a serious way. I understand that there was a case to be made for retaining him, but that case was not merit-based, as was the reasonable case for his termination. I'm not arguing about whether he should have been kept. I'm arguing about his legacy. To say the last two years are more important than the 11 years of success and putting Gtown back on the map, developing NBA pros, a final four, and three big east regular season championships. The fan base is entitled if they think getting the program back to the levels III had it two years ago is guaranteed. It's not. We could easily plummet off the edge of relevancy with a bad hire.
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2017 15:41:27 GMT -5
Going after the best coaches available. I guess we are trying to build rivalries at the same time. Just imagine how Xavier fans are feeling right now. Why do we care about that?
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Post by sleepy on Mar 31, 2017 15:42:34 GMT -5
"Far more important". Please. If it weren't for his previous 11 years, the last two would have been business as usual. While the last two years are unacceptable, III is a victim of his own success. The sense of entitlement throughout the fanbases is egregious. Success is not a guarantee and a perennial to 25 team and NCAA tournament team is much more difficult a task than people are making it out to be. While III might not have been the man for the job anymore there is certainly no guarantee his replacement will be much better. I think III can be a good coach in the right situation. He hasn't been a good coach the past few seasons here. For many reasons, including his declining results and the way he chose to operate the program, Georgetown was no longer the right situation for any party involved. Notice I said the direction of the program will improve. That's what I'm looking forward to. IMO, things were not going to get better if we stayed the course. It's possible the program will go in a different direction. It's also possible it will plummet even further. That's all I'm saying.
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Post by guru on Mar 31, 2017 15:42:36 GMT -5
I think that it's necessary to dispute some of this without stooping to some of the unnecessarily argumentative tactics of the past here. III was not a victim of his own success and an "entitled" fanbase. Nobody needs to read again the litany of reasons why things were not working out and were not working out in a serious way. I understand that there was a case to be made for retaining him, but that case was not merit-based, as was the reasonable case for his termination. I'm not arguing about whether he should have been kept. I'm arguing about his legacy. To say the last two years are more important than the 11 years of success and putting Gtown back on the map, developing NBA pros, a final four, and three big east regular season championships. The fan base is entitled if they think getting the program back to the levels III had it two years ago is guaranteed. It's not. We could easily plummet off the edge of relevancy with a bad hire. OK, I guess I need to spell it out. I meant the last 2 years were far more important to the decision whether to keep him than his first 11 years.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 31, 2017 15:43:20 GMT -5
sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/Check out the list of Big East coach salaries. $4M is significantly higher than anyone else. We are signaling very clearly with the biggest stick we have that this is THE premiere job in the Big East. Next highest is Jay Wright at $2.5M. Mack makes $1.4M. I am firmly a believer that if you love your job, don't let money be the sole decider, but it seems hard to believe that Mack would turn down a 285% increase in pay to do largely a similar job at a great institution. For no other reason than the signaling of the size of the job, I actually like that this "news" leaked out. I actually think that for this reason there could be a chance that there's a GU element behind this leak. This tweet definitely benefits Mack and other coaches and while I think Goodman is probably doing his buddy a solid, I don't think its completely made up. Maybe Korn Ferry did go to Goodman and say leak this it will sure make our job easier as our phone should start ringing. I think for Georgetown itself they come out the worst in the tweet as now they have to negotiate against themselves and it's not a good look trying to poach in conference.
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