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Post by Filo on Nov 27, 2017 16:23:19 GMT -5
I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach.
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Post by HometownHoya on Nov 27, 2017 16:33:05 GMT -5
Cal has a team made up entirely of McDAAs, who will all be in the NBA next year. We do not. Georgetown has never had that and JT3 still managed to make schedules that were far more Kentucky-like than Ewing-like for 14 years. I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. The pre-JT3 scheduling was never this bad. Additionally JT3's schedules were tougher then Kentucky, we were often in the top of SOS. I hope we find a happy medium but as a fan, I did like JT3's schedules but they weren't the most player friendly. I'd be happy with 1 road test or neutral test, 1 home test, 1 or 2 250+ (depending on experience of the team) and the rest 150-250 games.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 27, 2017 16:45:03 GMT -5
I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach. My guess, and my hope, is that Coach Ewing decides to play in some tournament next year. It may not be one with a lot of elite teams like the PK80 was, but playing in those Thanksgiving tournaments gives the program extra exposure and has to help with recruiting, as long as you are going to be competitive in the games. I hope he feels more comfortable with his team next year to test them earlier in the season.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 27, 2017 17:00:18 GMT -5
So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach. My guess, and my hope, is that Coach Ewing decides to play in some tournament next year. It may not be one with a lot of elite teams like the PK80 was, but playing in those Thanksgiving tournaments gives the program extra exposure and has to help with recruiting, as long as you are going to be competitive in the games. I hope he feels more comfortable with his team next year to test them earlier in the season. First, lets see how the roster shakes out this season and in Spring. Will Govan stay? Is Sodom reliable? Is there another C coming in?
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 27, 2017 17:08:28 GMT -5
I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach. This harkens back to the whole Ewing can't read mantra. Now it's Ewing can't do math with the scheduling. Or that Ewing isn't really in control and that JT2 (The Emperor) is controlling Ewing (Darth Vader) behind the scenes because Ewing isn't that smart. Ewing has even addressed some of these issues such as the stereotype that guards make great head coaches while big men aren't good coaches because they aren't the quarterback of the team. Ewing counters by stating that the center is the quarterback of the defense. He's also put a stop to the JT2 is in control by saying he is his own man and this is his team. Now Ewing isn't a bombastic, loud mouthed showman who says outrageous things that makes headlines. He's more quiet and cerebral, introverted but speaks up when he has to. But he's observing, watching and strategizing while the more outrageous loud mouth coaches are trying to grab headlines and draw attention to themselves. Here's a guy who has played and coached basketball his entire adult life, 24-7, and getting paid for it yet it seems like alot of armchair head coaches think they know much more than Ewing. Even if he hasn't coached college basketball, he's played 4 years of high level D1 college basketball, and I'm not sure if there's anyone on this board who has played or coached elite level D1 college basketball so it would seem that our point of view is no better than his point of view.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 27, 2017 17:09:25 GMT -5
I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach. It's not an assumption if you read what Coach E has to say regarding scheduling.. www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/12/georgetowns-first-basketball-schedule-under-patrick-ewing-takes-cues-from-john-thompson/?utm_term=.91ffee76b75c“The Big East schedule is going to be tough enough to handle,” Ewing said in a meeting last month with Washington Post reporters and editors. “It’s always been tough. It was tough when I was playing. So, you know, you don’t have to play the toughest nonconference schedule. It’s all about where you end up at the end. . . . Do the best job that we can in the Big East and let the chips fall where they may. And hopefully we’ll be able to be in the NCAAs and do our work there.”Ewing said in a recent press conference that an NBA coach told him that "the key to college is recruiting & scheduling"
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 27, 2017 17:11:40 GMT -5
So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach. This harkens back to the whole Ewing can't read mantra. Now it's Ewing can't do math with the scheduling. Or that Ewing isn't really in control and that JT2 (The Emperor) is controlling Ewing (Darth Vader) behind the scenes because Ewing isn't that smart. Ewing has even addressed some of these issues such as the stereotype that guards make great head coaches while big men aren't good coaches because they aren't the quarterback of the team. Ewing counters by stating that the center is the quarterback of the defense. He's also put a stop to the JT2 is in control by saying he is his own man and this is his team. Now Ewing isn't a bombastic, loud mouthed showman who says outrageous things that makes headlines. He's more quiet and cerebral, introverted but speaks up when he has to. But he's observing, watching and strategizing while the more outrageous loud mouth coaches are trying to grab headlines and draw attention to themselves. Here's a guy who has played and coached basketball his entire adult life, 24-7, and getting paid for it yet it seems like alot of armchair head coaches think they know much more than Ewing. Even if he hasn't coached college basketball, he's played 4 years of high level D1 college basketball, and I'm not sure if there's anyone on this board who has played or coached elite level D1 college basketball so it would seem that our point of view is no better than his point of view. Please go away with this nonsense, nobody in this thread is saying that at all..
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 27, 2017 17:11:46 GMT -5
Cal has a team made up entirely of McDAAs, who will all be in the NBA next year. We do not. Georgetown has never had that and JT3 still managed to make schedules that were far more Kentucky-like than Ewing-like for 14 years. I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. The BIG EAST Conference has already stated publicly that they want and expect their programs to have challenging schedules to keep the Conference RPI high This season schedule is a one off like Wojo's first year at Marquette. The conference will put pressure (if need be) and the Hoyas schedule will improve each year going forward.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 27, 2017 17:17:35 GMT -5
I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach. Well said.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 27, 2017 17:18:52 GMT -5
Georgetown has never had that and JT3 still managed to make schedules that were far more Kentucky-like than Ewing-like for 14 years. I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. The BIG EAST Conference has already stated publicly that they want and expect their programs to have challenging schedules to keep the Conference RPI high This season schedule is a one off like Wojo's first year at Marquette. The conference will put pressure (if need be) and the Hoyas schedule will improve each year going forward. I can see this point but what can the league actually do about it?
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Post by prhoya on Nov 27, 2017 17:26:46 GMT -5
Looking at the teams after the final schedule was announced, I have to admit that I would have preferred better RPI teams than the bottom 300's, but trusted Pat and his staff. To me, the OCC looked like three sets of games: -First set: Three cupcake games leading to Richmond, the team's first away challenge. Richmond didn't turn out to be the team everyone thought they would be early on, but there's still time to turn it around with three players who can carry that team. -Second set: Four cupcake games to iron out the wrinkles before Syracuse's visit, with hopefully some of those teams primarily playing zone defense (I don't know what defense they play). -Third set: End it with two cupcakes over Finals and Christmas in preparation for the first BE game, which fortunately is at home. As for the second half of the season, I believe it is the best schedule we have received in the New BE. First, we start at home vs Butler, which is close to the best scenario to start league play this year; then it's at Marquette, with students away at a place where we failed under JT3 and with a depleted MU roster, and we stay New Year's in Chicago for a game at DePaul. It's a good three-game block, with limited travel, to start the BE and prepare us for Creighton at home. Also, we do not have quick turnaround games until Providence and Marquette in late February, and more importantly both games are at home. Recently, we've had turnaround games with travel in between games. Finally, after a six-day break, the regular season ends at Villanova on Saturday, March 3rd, a day after Villanova (and GU) starts its Spring Break, so hopefully there are less students. Glass half-full
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Nov 27, 2017 17:40:00 GMT -5
The BIG EAST Conference has already stated publicly that they want and expect their programs to have challenging schedules to keep the Conference RPI high This season schedule is a one off like Wojo's first year at Marquette. The conference will put pressure (if need be) and the Hoyas schedule will improve each year going forward. I can see this point but what can the league actually do about it? While i haven't read the bylaws, I'm sure there are provisions against teams creating underwhelming schedules annually as it hurts the competitive balance of the other 9 programs in the conference on a national level. The BIG EAST Commissioner Val Ackerman essentially works for the 10 university presidents and if 9 schools are being hurt financially by 1 program, I'm sure she has some power at her discretion to penalize that 1 program monetarily.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 27, 2017 18:11:58 GMT -5
So it is bad form to assume that this is a one-year thing based on the current circumstances of having a new coach and new team coming off a couple of bad years. But, it is OK to assume we are "going back" to the weak scheduling that was the modus operandi of an entirely different coach more than a decade ago based on this single data set. Man, you throw out any semblance of logic if that is what is needed to get in a dig at the new coach. It's not an assumption if you read what Coach E has to say regarding scheduling.. www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/12/georgetowns-first-basketball-schedule-under-patrick-ewing-takes-cues-from-john-thompson/?utm_term=.91ffee76b75c“The Big East schedule is going to be tough enough to handle,” Ewing said in a meeting last month with Washington Post reporters and editors. “It’s always been tough. It was tough when I was playing. So, you know, you don’t have to play the toughest nonconference schedule. It’s all about where you end up at the end. . . . Do the best job that we can in the Big East and let the chips fall where they may. And hopefully we’ll be able to be in the NCAAs and do our work there.”Ewing said in a recent press conference that an NBA coach told him that "the key to college is recruiting & scheduling" I'm sorry, where in that does it say we will continue to schedule exactly like this year or even like pre-JTIII in that? He says you don't have to play the toughest non-conference schedule and then talks about the strategy for this year. I don't see any future scheduling discussed, nor do I see any specifics mentioned. All he says he you don't have to play the toughest non-conference schedule. Which is true. I think we can all agree that there is a happy medium between "the toughest schedule" and this year's schedule, correct?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 27, 2017 18:18:59 GMT -5
We like to extrapolate things out to forever on this board. 😀
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 27, 2017 19:16:56 GMT -5
It's not an assumption if you read what Coach E has to say regarding scheduling.. www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/12/georgetowns-first-basketball-schedule-under-patrick-ewing-takes-cues-from-john-thompson/?utm_term=.91ffee76b75c“The Big East schedule is going to be tough enough to handle,” Ewing said in a meeting last month with Washington Post reporters and editors. “It’s always been tough. It was tough when I was playing. So, you know, you don’t have to play the toughest nonconference schedule. It’s all about where you end up at the end. . . . Do the best job that we can in the Big East and let the chips fall where they may. And hopefully we’ll be able to be in the NCAAs and do our work there.”Ewing said in a recent press conference that an NBA coach told him that "the key to college is recruiting & scheduling" I'm sorry, where in that does it say we will continue to schedule exactly like this year or even like pre-JTIII in that? He says you don't have to play the toughest non-conference schedule and then talks about the strategy for this year. I don't see any future scheduling discussed, nor do I see any specifics mentioned. All he says he you don't have to play the toughest non-conference schedule. Which is true. I think we can all agree that there is a happy medium between "the toughest schedule" and this year's schedule, correct? You're right it doesn't say that the schedule will stay exactly the same, it also doesn't state that he's looking for some happy medium between this schedule & "the toughest either.. What do you think he means when he says "do the best job we can in the BE and let the chips fall where they may"? I agree there's a happy medium and I'll root for PE to find it..
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Post by sleepy on Nov 27, 2017 20:24:33 GMT -5
I'm sorry, where in that does it say we will continue to schedule exactly like this year or even like pre-JTIII in that? He says you don't have to play the toughest non-conference schedule and then talks about the strategy for this year. I don't see any future scheduling discussed, nor do I see any specifics mentioned. All he says he you don't have to play the toughest non-conference schedule. Which is true. I think we can all agree that there is a happy medium between "the toughest schedule" and this year's schedule, correct? You're right it doesn't say that the schedule will stay exactly the same, it also doesn't state that he's looking for some happy medium between this schedule & "the toughest either.. What do you think he means when he says "do the best job we can in the BE and let the chips fall where they may"? I agree there's a happy medium and I'll root for PE to find it.. I think he means do the best job we can in the BE and let the chips fall where they may? I'm not sure what hidden meaning you got from that, I also think its clear he is talking about this years team as opposed to yearly scheduling strategy anyways. I never said Ewing said he was going to look for a happy medium in scheduling. I have no idea how he will schedule in the future and am looking forward to finding out next summer.
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Post by FLHoya on Nov 27, 2017 20:50:38 GMT -5
My guess, and my hope, is that Coach Ewing decides to play in some tournament next year. It may not be one with a lot of elite teams like the PK80 was, but playing in those Thanksgiving tournaments gives the program extra exposure and has to help with recruiting, as long as you are going to be competitive in the games. I hope he feels more comfortable with his team next year to test them earlier in the season. It'll be interesting...seems like the 8 team events tend to be scheduled ahead of time, even by a few years. I once had someone who'd presumably heard it from a reliable source at GU rattle off to me the next 3-4 years' worth of preseason tournaments we'd be in and the info turned out to be accurate. Based on announcements so far, we know we aren't playing next year in Maui, Atlantis, Advocare (Orlando), Charleston, the 2K Classic, Wooden Legacy, or Preseason NIT. Still out there TBD are Puerto Rico (if it happens), Diamond Head, Las Vegas, Hall of Fame Classic in KC, Cayman Islands, Cancun and the Jimmy V (one half of which will be UNC-Indiana) plus whatever I forgot.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 27, 2017 21:50:56 GMT -5
You're right it doesn't say that the schedule will stay exactly the same, it also doesn't state that he's looking for some happy medium between this schedule & "the toughest either.. What do you think he means when he says "do the best job we can in the BE and let the chips fall where they may"? I agree there's a happy medium and I'll root for PE to find it.. I think he means do the best job we can in the BE and let the chips fall where they may? I'm not sure what hidden meaning you got from that, I also think its clear he is talking about this years team as opposed to yearly scheduling strategy anyways. I never said Ewing said he was going to look for a happy medium in scheduling. I have no idea how he will schedule in the future and am looking forward to finding out next summer. After reading this article for the umpteenth time maybe I am being overly paranoid\pessimistic about the scheduling future.. I too look forward to hearing good things long before next summer..
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Post by drquigley on Nov 27, 2017 22:05:36 GMT -5
Geez! We just went back to back miserable seasons, go 5-13 last year in the BE, lose our only two scorers, have no super studs coming in, get a new coach, and people are saying the schedule is too weak. C'mon, enough already! We aren't going anywhere this year. This is a rebuilding year. Let PE get a feel for his players and build some team chemistry before the BE season starts. Cut PE and this team some slack.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 27, 2017 22:50:39 GMT -5
Geez! We just went back to back miserable seasons, go 5-13 last year in the BE, lose our only two scorers, have no super studs coming in, get a new coach, and people are saying the schedule is too weak. C'mon, enough already! We aren't going anywhere this year. This is a rebuilding year. Let PE get a feel for his players and build some team chemistry before the BE season starts. Cut PE and this team some slack. How do you know this for sure? Who cares about what happened last season with the old coach and his way of doing things..
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