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Post by hoyaatheart55 on Nov 26, 2017 1:16:38 GMT -5
Our next 3 opponents are a combined 0-17. Yikes. But screw it, 8-0 going into Syracuse sounds awesome
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Post by prhoya on Nov 26, 2017 12:41:25 GMT -5
Our next 3 opponents are a combined 0-17. Yikes. But screw it, 8-0 going into Syracuse sounds awesome Team needs to learn to cut turnovers, esp. against said competition. It's a bad GU habit coming from the JT3 years that Pat needs to eradicate.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 26, 2017 15:17:55 GMT -5
Right now the Sagarin ratings have us at #66 (I think two up from last time). Our SOS is 347; there are 351 teams in the ratings. So we may reach that 351 in the next three games.
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Post by dense on Nov 27, 2017 6:38:08 GMT -5
Only way we lose in non conference is if Jessie gets in really bad foul trouble. The help defense on this team right now is atrocious. I dont know how many times that guy from Richmond beat Kaleb off the bounce and Pickett was the helpside guy and just opened like a swinging gate to let him thru. Was very frustrating.
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Post by hoyainindia on Nov 27, 2017 8:10:59 GMT -5
Right now the Sagarin ratings have us at #66 (I think two up from last time). Our SOS is 347; there are 351 teams in the ratings. So we may reach that 351 in the next three games. The strength of defenses we've played is 351 (https://kenpom.com).
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Post by justsaying on Nov 27, 2017 12:19:50 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Nov 27, 2017 13:50:47 GMT -5
If Calipari continues to go for the one-and-done players, he will never have a veteran team.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Nov 27, 2017 14:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Nov 27, 2017 14:26:51 GMT -5
Kentucky SOS rank is 17. They played Kansas already. Georgetown's SOS is 319, and in kenpom terms our schedule is even worse than in RPI terms.
Can we please throw out the Calipari comparisons here? Kentucky playing in the PK80 would have been on top of them playing Vermont and Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. The PK80 was the only real thing on our schedule. John Calipari's idea of babying his team is playing one RPI-300 team, not an entire nonconference slate worth of them.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 27, 2017 14:34:44 GMT -5
Calapari on why he won't play in the Maui ever again: "“It’ll be close to here. It ain’t gonna be a 19-hour flight (to Maui). That ain’t happening. I don’t like to fly that long. I’ve got a bad back. That is about me.”"
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 27, 2017 15:01:41 GMT -5
Kentucky SOS rank is 17. They played Kansas already. Georgetown's SOS is 319, and in kenpom terms our schedule is even worse than in RPI terms. Can we please throw out the Calipari comparisons here? Kentucky playing in the PK80 would have been on top of them playing Vermont and Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. The PK80 was the only real thing on our schedule. John Calipari's idea of babying his team is playing one RPI-300 team, not an entire nonconference slate worth of them. Cal has a team made up entirely of McDAAs, who will all be in the NBA next year. We do not. But Cal's point is still valid here--games in November are warms ups, the real show doesn't even start until the conference slate, and for the teams with the highest expectations (something we once were), March is all that matters. What you do now only matters in so much as it helps prepare the team for then. Look at the Richmond game as an example. While Kentucky can schedule an RPI 75+ team and expect to blow them out and play its entire bench, the current Hoyas obviously cannot. We can argue about how good or bad Richmond really is, but the fact that it was a close game meant that Ewing, for the first time, greatly shortened his bench. We basically played just 7 (negligible time for Walker and Dickerson, and nothing for Sodom). Now, there is certainly value to getting our players close game battle tested, but there is also a tremendous amount of value with a new team/coach in having a few extra low pressure games where our bench can get out there for a solid run. We better hope that in particular Sodom and Walker are able to step up this year, because we have basically no other contingency behind Govan and Derrickson. If playing Maine, Coppin State and Little Sisters of the Poor instead of three draining games in Portland helps our team coalesce and compete a bit better in BE play, than the plan worked. Assuming that things go more or less to plan this season (gradual but sustained improvement, systems fully implemented), I would imagine that next year the non-conference slate will be stronger as a reflection.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 27, 2017 15:22:06 GMT -5
Kentucky SOS rank is 17. They played Kansas already. Georgetown's SOS is 319, and in kenpom terms our schedule is even worse than in RPI terms. Can we please throw out the Calipari comparisons here? Kentucky playing in the PK80 would have been on top of them playing Vermont and Kansas and UCLA and Louisville. The PK80 was the only real thing on our schedule. John Calipari's idea of babying his team is playing one RPI-300 team, not an entire nonconference slate worth of them. Cal has a team made up entirely of McDAAs, who will all be in the NBA next year. We do not. But Cal's point is still valid here--games in November are warms ups, the real show doesn't even start until the conference slate, and for the teams with the highest expectations (something we once were), March is all that matters. What you do now only matters in so much as it helps prepare the team for then. Look at the Richmond game as an example. While Kentucky can schedule an RPI 75+ team and expect to blow them out and play its entire bench, the current Hoyas obviously cannot. We can argue about how good or bad Richmond really is, but the fact that it was a close game meant that Ewing, for the first time, greatly shortened his bench. We basically played just 7 (negligible time for Walker and Dickerson, and nothing for Sodom). Now, there is certainly value to getting our players close game battle tested, but there is also a tremendous amount of value with a new team/coach in having a few extra low pressure games where our bench can get out there for a solid run. We better hope that in particular Sodom and Walker are able to step up this year, because we have basically no other contingency behind Govan and Derrickson. If playing Maine, Coppin State and Little Sisters of the Poor instead of three draining games in Portland helps our team coalesce and compete a bit better in BE play, than the plan worked. If Kentucky wins it all, expect Coach K to follow Cal's example. Just like Coach K embraced the one-and-dones when he saw what Cal was doing (and winning), he will do it again if Kentucky wins the Championship. I hate Coach K, but I admire his willingness to be flexible, not stubborn, if it leads to winning. I haven't checked Kentucky's roster, but Duke is looking to have the winning mix of a good/great senior leader and a bunch of McD AA underclassmen. The only gap is that Allen is the only senior or junior who plays. We'll see if that catches up to Duke.
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Post by TC on Nov 27, 2017 15:42:43 GMT -5
Cal has a team made up entirely of McDAAs, who will all be in the NBA next year. We do not. Georgetown has never had that and JT3 still managed to make schedules that were far more Kentucky-like than Ewing-like for 14 years. I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that.
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Post by b52legend on Nov 27, 2017 15:50:21 GMT -5
After watching a lot of the PK80, I think we made the right call pulling out. We are not ready for that level of competition and I think the best we could have hoped for would have been 1-2. Why do that now? We got a plenty good test with Richmond and the prevailing story lines are still around us being undefeated and not us getting blown out by 40 (hi UConn).
As for our strength of schedule, I couldn’t really give a rats ass about that. This year it’s all about getting ready for conference play where we’ll either validate ourselves as a real team or we won’t. I hope we are for real, but we aren’t there yet and going to the PK80 wasn’t going to help anything other than stats.
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Post by SDHoya on Nov 27, 2017 16:07:44 GMT -5
Cal has a team made up entirely of McDAAs, who will all be in the NBA next year. We do not. Georgetown has never had that and JT3 still managed to make schedules that were far more Kentucky-like than Ewing-like for 14 years. I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. And JTIII's November scheduling from the 2007-8 season through 2016-17, led to precisely zero trips to the second round of the tournament. And again, whether or not JTIII's tough non-conference slates were positive or negative on balance, his teams certainly did not peak in March. Perhaps our assumptions about Ewing's scheduling are incorrect, we'll find that out in about 9 months.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 27, 2017 16:08:33 GMT -5
Cal has a team made up entirely of McDAAs, who will all be in the NBA next year. We do not. Georgetown has never had that and JT3 still managed to make schedules that were far more Kentucky-like than Ewing-like for 14 years. I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. It's simple. When Ewing starts having worthy teams that get low NCAA seedings compared to their Big East achievements or, even worse, are not invited to the NCAAs at all despite overall good showings in the Big East, he will undoubtedly change that scheduling for the better. But he's a smart guy and I'm hoping he does that before such an occurrence happens.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 27, 2017 16:10:34 GMT -5
After watching a lot of the PK80, I think we made the right call pulling out. We are not ready for that level of competition and I think the best we could have hoped for would have been 1-2. Why do that now? We got a plenty good test with Richmond and the prevailing story lines are still around us being undefeated and not us getting blown out by 40 (hi UConn). As for our strength of schedule, I couldn’t really give a rats ass about that. This year it’s all about getting ready for conference play where we’ll either validate ourselves as a real team or we won’t. I hope we are for real, but we aren’t there yet and going to the PK80 wasn’t going to help anything other than stats. You have a valid take but to me the PK80 was also important because of the program's long ties with Nike. For DePaul to take our place in it is a bit galling.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 27, 2017 16:16:47 GMT -5
Georgetown has never had that and JT3 still managed to make schedules that were far more Kentucky-like than Ewing-like for 14 years. I also don't understand everyone just assuming that this is a one year thing with the weak scheduling. This is how the program scheduled for years upon years before JT3, and it looks like we're going back to that. And JTIII's November scheduling from the 2007-8 season through 2016-17, led to precisely zero trips to the second round of the tournament. And again, whether or not JTIII's tough non-conference slates were positive or negative on balance, his teams certainly did not peak in March. Perhaps our assumptions about Ewing's scheduling are incorrect, we'll find that out in about 9 months. I really loved JTIII as a coach, but his scheduling should not be replicated IMO. Neither should this year's schedule but we should be finding a happy medium between true cupcakes and decent challenge OOC. III was great at scheduling under the radar teams that would provide a great challenge and would be great SOS and RPI boosters. The problem with that was when we lost they were so under the radar the loss seemed much worse than it was in reality and shook team and program confidence.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 27, 2017 16:20:40 GMT -5
The team got so rattled from the end of the Maryland game through the Arkansas State debacle last season that we never recovered. I am all for a soft early schedule to get our sea legs established.
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