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Post by seaweed on Nov 28, 2017 7:23:20 GMT -5
... and the horse corpse flogging continues...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 28, 2017 10:55:42 GMT -5
Geez! We just went back to back miserable seasons, go 5-13 last year in the BE, lose our only two scorers, have no super studs coming in, get a new coach, and people are saying the schedule is too weak. C'mon, enough already! We aren't going anywhere this year. This is a rebuilding year. Let PE get a feel for his players and build some team chemistry before the BE season starts. Cut PE and this team some slack. How do you know this for sure? Who cares about what happened last season with the old coach and his way of doing things.. Agreed. Even if you are almost certain that you "aren't going anywhere" this year, why would you create a schedule that makes it virtually impossible to go anywhere if you are better than expected, when you can relatively easily create a schedule that at least leaves the option open? If we don't win against Syracuse on December 16, it will be virtually impossible for this team to sniff the post-season (either NCAA or NIT), unless they have an excellent Big East (11-7, or 12-6), and even if we do beat Syracuse it'll be tough. My preference is to always schedule to leave open the door to the post season. And again, you don't have to schedule a hard OOC to do this. You just have to schedule one where you don't play 8 of the worst 50 schools who play Division I basketball - something every team in Division I has done in the last 15 years, except ours.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 28, 2017 11:30:10 GMT -5
With all due respect to all those who have voiced an opinion on this subject, I have not seen a new argument in some time. Coach made a judgment call before he knew anything about his team, and NONE of us will know whether he made the right call until deep into the season. Even then, those who question the schedule will blame weak competition if Big East results are poor, and those who support Coach's judgment call will credit it if the Big East results are good.
I am giving Coach a pass this year, but will join the critics if we see another weak schedule next year. I don't think we will.
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 28, 2017 11:39:37 GMT -5
How do you know this for sure? Who cares about what happened last season with the old coach and his way of doing things.. Agreed. Even if you are almost certain that you "aren't going anywhere" this year, why would you create a schedule that makes it virtually impossible to go anywhere if you are better than expected, when you can relatively easily create a schedule that at least leaves the option open? If we don't win against Syracuse on December 16, it will be virtually impossible for this team to sniff the post-season (either NCAA or NIT), unless they have an excellent Big East (11-7, or 12-6), and even if we do beat Syracuse it'll be tough. My preference is to always schedule to leave open the door to the post season. And again, you don't have to schedule a hard OOC to do this. You just have to schedule one where you don't play 8 of the worst 50 schools who play Division I basketball - something every team in Division I has done in the last 15 years, except ours. I would be really surprised if this years team makes the NCAA tourney, and this OOC schedule will not help them if they somehow find a way to get close. On the other hand if they beat Syracuse, and from watching them last night, Syracuse is very beatable, they have a real chance to make the NIT. If they are 11-0, or even 10-1 with a loss to the Cuse, for an OOC record and can be a 9-9, or even 8-10 team in conference, I think they will get a NIT bid. Even with bad OOC schedules teams, that win 19-20 games get NIT bids. While this OOC schedule will hurt their SOS, it won't be an awful SOS once they complete the Big East year. If they win more than 8-9 conference games then they will be wishing they played a better OOC schedule as they sit on the NCAA bubble, but I don't think anyone thought they would win more than 8 -9 conference games before the year started. Making the NIT was a reasonable team goal for this year.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 28, 2017 14:17:02 GMT -5
Geez! We just went back to back miserable seasons, go 5-13 last year in the BE, lose our only two scorers, have no super studs coming in, get a new coach, and people are saying the schedule is too weak. C'mon, enough already! We aren't going anywhere this year. This is a rebuilding year. Let PE get a feel for his players and build some team chemistry before the BE season starts. Cut PE and this team some slack. How do you know this for sure? Who cares about what happened last season with the old coach and his way of doing things.. How do I know this for sure? Not being clairvoyant I can't know it for sure. But after watching basketball (high school/college/NBA) for 60+ years I think I can hazard an educated guess that this team is a work in progress and no matter how rose colored my glasses are i can't see them winning more than 7-8 BE games. Nothing I saw from Nova, Creighton, Seton Hall, Xavier, and Providence over the past 10 days changes my mind. And no matter what their OOC schedule, they aren't going to the big dance with a losing BE record. But hey, I've been wrong before (President Trump??) so let's hope in 3 months you all can enjoy yourselves quoting this post. Nothing I'd rather see.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 28, 2017 15:25:45 GMT -5
How do you know this for sure? Who cares about what happened last season with the old coach and his way of doing things.. How do I know this for sure? Not being clairvoyant I can't know it for sure. But after watching basketball (high school/college/NBA) for 60+ years I think I can hazard an educated guess that this team is a work in progress and no matter how rose colored my glasses are i can't see them winning more than 7-8 BE games. Nothing I saw from Nova, Creighton, Seton Hall, Xavier, and Providence over the past 10 days changes my mind. And no matter what their OOC schedule, they aren't going to the big dance with a losing BE record. But hey, I've been wrong before (President Trump??) so let's hope in 3 months you all can enjoy yourselves quoting this post. Nothing I'd rather see. I agree that these teams are better than Gtown but that's the top half of a conference that had 7 teams make it last season and has been predicted to get 6 or 7 this season.. What did your 60+ years of watching basketball(high school/college/NBA see when you watched the other 4 teams in the conference play over the past 10 days? Can Gtown compete with them?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 28, 2017 15:47:55 GMT -5
On the other hand if they beat Syracuse, and from watching them last night, Syracuse is very beatable, they have a real chance to make the NIT. If they are 11-0, or even 10-1 with a loss to the Cuse, for an OOC record and can be a 9-9, or even 8-10 team in conference, I think they will get a NIT bid. Even with bad OOC schedules teams, that win 19-20 games get NIT bids. While this OOC schedule will hurt their SOS, it won't be an awful SOS once they complete the Big East year. If they win more than 8-9 conference games then they will be wishing they played a better OOC schedule as they sit on the NCAA bubble, but I don't think anyone thought they would win more than 8 -9 conference games before the year started. Making the NIT was a reasonable team goal for this year. The NIT is not a sure thing. Up until 2005, the NCAA was owned by the Metropolitan Intercollegiate Basketball Association, and fields were chosen by them with ESPN, in part to assure the financial well-being of the tournament. Thus, you frequently had high-major teams that were close to the bubble, but missed out. In 2005, the NCAA purchased the NIT tournament, and the selection process changed. ESPN lost its input on selection, there was no longer a .500 or greater requirement for a bid (though only 2 teams have made it ever with less than that), and all teams that won regular season conference championships, but missed the NCAA tournament are guaranteed bids. Thus, while I know some people assume that because "We are Georgetown," that a .500 record will get us in. That's simply not the case. The best example of this is Marquette, 2016. They had a bad quality OOC (though better than ours), and thus, went 11-2. They then proceeded to go 8-10 in the Big East, and won a BET game. Thus, they finished at 20-13, and they missed the NIT. Thus, if Georgetown were to go 11-0 in the OOC, and then go 9-9 in the Big East, it's no sure thing they'd make the NIT - it would probably depend on the Big East Tournament results, in part. If we go 9-9 getting the "easiest" wins* , our RPI would be 57, and SOS would be 102. Beating Syracuse is key here. If we go 9-9 but lose to Syracuse, our RPI falls to 75. If that happens, it's not good enough for NCAA or NIT, likely. Of course, if our 9 wins included Villanova, then the calculation might be different. The big takeaway though, is that simply getting 19 or 20 wins, and going 9-9 in conference isn't necessarily enough for the NIT. * These are the wins I assumed to get to 9: DePaul (home), DePaul (away), Butler (home), St. John's (home), Marquette (home), Providence (home), Creighton (home), Seton Hall (home), and Butler (away)
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Post by hoyainla on Nov 28, 2017 15:59:05 GMT -5
I have a new complaint about this awful schedule. None of the games have lines so that I can even bet on them to keep my interest up. The only one so far was Richmond and I brought home the bacon on that one. The family will be getting less Xmas gifts this year. I will have them all email Pat and hopefully that will light a fire under him for next year.
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Post by prhoya on Nov 28, 2017 16:15:06 GMT -5
* These are the wins I assumed to get to 9: DePaul (home), DePaul (away), Butler (home), St. John's (home), Marquette (home), Providence (home), Creighton (home), Seton Hall (home), and Butler (away) The Marquette away game could be #10 or a sub for one of the ones you listed. MU is looking like they are missing pieces and we get them early. If we get 9-9 or 10-8, plus a clean OOC, plus a win in the BET, we could be in the NCAAT. Glass half-full!
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 28, 2017 16:20:54 GMT -5
How do you know this for sure? Who cares about what happened last season with the old coach and his way of doing things.. Agreed. Even if you are almost certain that you "aren't going anywhere" this year, why would you create a schedule that makes it virtually impossible to go anywhere if you are better than expected, when you can relatively easily create a schedule that at least leaves the option open? If we don't win against Syracuse on December 16, it will be virtually impossible for this team to sniff the post-season (either NCAA or NIT), unless they have an excellent Big East (11-7, or 12-6), and even if we do beat Syracuse it'll be tough. My preference is to always schedule to leave open the door to the post season. And again, you don't have to schedule a hard OOC to do this. You just have to schedule one where you don't play 8 of the worst 50 schools who play Division I basketball - something every team in Division I has done in the last 15 years, except ours. BecAuse w-l's matter to recruits, the causal fan, and the anti Ewing crowd (guys who didn't want Ewing as coach in the first place). As soon as we go 14-18 like last year or the projected 7-22 for DePaul this year people on here will be Calling get for his head. When has the top 10 SOS helped us get in to the tourneyoff the bubble in the JTIII era. As I recall when we were on the Bubble under iii we never got in though the strong SOS would tease us right up to the selection show. The strong SOS is useful for high seeding when you have good dominant college players. That ended once Otto left. Look at DePaul. Replaced us in pk80. Lost games. High sos. Rpi is 212. Honestly we struggled with Richmond. If you schedule 10 Richmond type teams at this point in our development I think we go .500 in OOC.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 28, 2017 16:21:45 GMT -5
May be difficult winning half our BE games this season. Cuse may be a tough win, although I could see us playing up in a packed house.
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Post by drquigley on Nov 28, 2017 16:57:27 GMT -5
How do I know this for sure? Not being clairvoyant I can't know it for sure. But after watching basketball (high school/college/NBA) for 60+ years I think I can hazard an educated guess that this team is a work in progress and no matter how rose colored my glasses are i can't see them winning more than 7-8 BE games. Nothing I saw from Nova, Creighton, Seton Hall, Xavier, and Providence over the past 10 days changes my mind. And no matter what their OOC schedule, they aren't going to the big dance with a losing BE record. But hey, I've been wrong before (President Trump??) so let's hope in 3 months you all can enjoy yourselves quoting this post. Nothing I'd rather see. I agree that these teams are better than Gtown but that's the top half of a conference that had 7 teams make it last season and has been predicted to get 6 or 7 this season.. What did your 60+ years of watching basketball(high school/college/NBA see when you watched the other 4 teams in the conference play over the past 10 days? Can Gtown compete with them? I haven't seen them play but I am hoping we can beat them at home and maybe steal 1-2 on the road. That gives us say 6 BE wins. Then all we need to do is beat one or two of the top five at Capital One and that will get us to 7-8 BE wins. Look, I agree that this team looks a lot more relaxed, aggressive, and confident. And it is a lot more fun watching them play this year. But Syracuse will be the real test. They are big and athletic. A win against them and I will start to re-evaluate my BE prediction.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 28, 2017 23:08:36 GMT -5
These easy teams have been great for Kabel Johnson's development and confidence.
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Post by sleepy on Nov 29, 2017 7:56:39 GMT -5
Personally, I struggle to see how we get more than 5 wins in the Big East this year. All this talk of post season tournaments seems silly.
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Post by This Just In on Nov 29, 2017 8:20:09 GMT -5
I have a new complaint about this awful schedule. None of the games have lines so that I can even bet on them to keep my interest up. The only one so far was Richmond and I brought home the bacon on that one. The family will be getting less Xmas gifts this year. I will have them all email Pat and hopefully that will light a fire under him for next year. You could have went to Bovada, they have had a line for all but 1 game this season..Last night game was Hoyas -24.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2017 8:28:40 GMT -5
Right now we're #350 -- 2nd to last -- in non-conf SOS on KenPom, ahead of only Duquesne.
We've got 5 300+ games left plus Syracuse (currently 53). They've got 5 300+ games left, plus 4 150-180 games.
It's a battle to the wire!
p.s. -- if you're worried about Dan Majerle's #349 Grand Canyon squad dropping below us... don't be! They've got St Johns, Boise St, Louisville, and Illinois yet to play.
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Post by ewingitrust on Dec 10, 2017 9:41:45 GMT -5
Kaleb said after the howard game that the team doesn't feel like we're 7-0...which tells me they are hungry and are eager to get better. I think the cupcake schedule had everything to do with the changing the mental psyche of the team...they have a clean slate. They will come out firing against cuse
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 14, 2017 22:20:25 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 14, 2017 23:08:29 GMT -5
I have supported Ewing, and plan to continue to do so, but I do not like his glib responses about the schedule like this. If, instead, he merely meant that his philosophy is to schedule the worst non-conference schedule ever, then that's a really bad thing for Georgetown. And if he continues to schedule like this, he will be sealing his own fate because he's going to make it virtually impossible to succeed in March because he won't get there (or if he does, it'll be a really bad seed). Personally, I hope he changes this philosophy because I don't want to waste the next 4-5 years.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 14, 2017 23:24:46 GMT -5
I have supported Ewing, and plan to continue to do so, but I do not like his glib responses about the schedule like this. If, instead, he merely meant that his philosophy is to schedule the worst non-conference schedule ever, then that's a really bad thing for Georgetown. And if he continues to schedule like this, he will be sealing his own fate because he's going to make it virtually impossible to succeed in March because he won't get there (or if he does, it'll be a really bad seed). Personally, I hope he changes this philosophy because I don't want to waste the next 4-5 years. I love it. Anything that makes angry nerds' heads explode I'm for. The guy had to recruit 3/4 of the incoming class, find a grad transfer point guard, a transfer shooter and hire an entire staff, and people are asking "But what's about youse RPIs and SOS?" I hope he says the schedule was too challenging so Goodman passes out.
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