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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 12:16:54 GMT -5
Had we stayed in the PK 80, we would have been playing right now. DePaul is playing in our place, against Michigan State, and they enter halftime 31-31. Given that DePaul is a similar team to ours (and maybe worse), it's safe to say we wouldn't have gotten our butts kicked (to paraphrase Ewing) had we gone. It's a missed opportunity. The game is 40 minutes long though. Depaul played a good half but losing by 20 to St without their best player isn't really something this program should strive for. Think we need to zoom out a bit and understand that when we committed to a new coach, we committed to a full rebuild. The means tearing everything down and building it back up brick by brick. The program is going to follow the road map created by the HC, and all we can do is hope that it leads us to a solid top 20 program that expects to win it's share of these games in a couple years.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 24, 2017 12:27:17 GMT -5
Had we stayed in the PK 80, we would have been playing right now. DePaul is playing in our place, against Michigan State, and they enter halftime 31-31. Given that DePaul is a similar team to ours (and maybe worse), it's safe to say we wouldn't have gotten our butts kicked (to paraphrase Ewing) had we gone. It's a missed opportunity. But DePaul did get their butts kicked (20 point loss) with MSU playing without their NBA lottery pick. And most people are not going to watch that game, so all they will see is the 20 point loss box score. Every win and loss is important this year because you know THEY will call for Ewing's head if he has a losing season or even a mediocre record.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 24, 2017 21:17:55 GMT -5
Had we stayed in the PK 80, we would have been playing right now. DePaul is playing in our place, against Michigan State, and they enter halftime 31-31. Given that DePaul is a similar team to ours (and maybe worse), it's safe to say we wouldn't have gotten our butts kicked (to paraphrase Ewing) had we gone. It's a missed opportunity. But DePaul did get their butts kicked (20 point loss) with MSU playing without their NBA lottery pick. And most people are not going to watch that game, so all they will see is the 20 point loss box score. Every win and loss is important this year because you know THEY will call for Ewing's head if he has a losing season or even a mediocre record. I don’t think a team like DePaul losing to MSU by 20 is a butt kicking. If anything, DePaul keeping it close for a half demonstrates they did okay. Also, if we think Georgetown is better than DePaul, no reason to think we couldn’t have done better. Now losing by 40-50 points would be another story.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 24, 2017 23:53:01 GMT -5
Had we stayed in the PK 80, we would have been playing right now. DePaul is playing in our place, against Michigan State, and they enter halftime 31-31. Given that DePaul is a similar team to ours (and maybe worse), it's safe to say we wouldn't have gotten our butts kicked (to paraphrase Ewing) had we gone. It's a missed opportunity. The game is 40 minutes long though. Depaul played a good half but losing by 20 to St without their best player isn't really something this program should strive for. Think we need to zoom out a bit and understand that when we committed to a new coach, we committed to a full rebuild. The means tearing everything down and building it back up brick by brick. The program is going to follow the road map created by the HC, and all we can do is hope that it leads us to a solid top 20 program that expects to win it's share of these games in a couple years. It's not what a program should strive for but it's not something a program should ever run scared from either.. I'm with PE on most things but this schedule & the views he expresses regarding scheduling are concerning to me..
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 0:26:07 GMT -5
The game is 40 minutes long though. Depaul played a good half but losing by 20 to St without their best player isn't really something this program should strive for. Think we need to zoom out a bit and understand that when we committed to a new coach, we committed to a full rebuild. The means tearing everything down and building it back up brick by brick. The program is going to follow the road map created by the HC, and all we can do is hope that it leads us to a solid top 20 program that expects to win it's share of these games in a couple years. It's not what a program should strive for but it's not something a program should ever run scared from either.. I'm with PE on most things but this schedule & the views he expresses regarding scheduling are concerning to me.. Good opportunity for Depaul. I was hoping they would pull that one out. We played a tough schedule the last two years and I didn't see significant improvement from start to finish. We played plenty of teams to the wire and it mattered little. IMO, for the most part you get better in practice, a game gives you an opportunity to show that improvement. At this stage it seems the HC has decided his team needs practice and reps more than playing in a big time tourney.
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Post by Just Cos on Nov 25, 2017 3:30:43 GMT -5
Nothing to be gained by playing some real competition...smh. How can anyone defend this? One year...that’s it.
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Post by dense on Nov 25, 2017 3:42:58 GMT -5
Nothing to be gained by playing some real competition...smh. How can anyone defend this? One year...that’s it. i dont think anyone is advocating for multiple years of this but Standig's take is way off. Almost beating a team is not some precursor that holds throughout the year. we should have beat Duke 2 years ago, see how that season turned out. I am saying this schedule works for this group. We need some winning and team development rather than "seeing where we are"
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Post by prhoya on Nov 25, 2017 8:30:23 GMT -5
We played a tough schedule the last two years and I didn't see significant improvement from start to finish. We played plenty of teams to the wire and it mattered little. IMO, for the most part you get better in practice, a game gives you an opportunity to show that improvement. At this stage it seems the HC has decided his team needs practice and reps more than playing in a big time tourney. This. No moral victories...
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Post by SSHoya on Nov 25, 2017 8:31:30 GMT -5
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Nov 25, 2017 9:26:00 GMT -5
In 2000 we did play a tournament against top flight competition early with a new head coach. We did not get embarrassed though we did go 1-2, and let UNLV do the embarrassing job on the way home. In 2005, we did not play a tournament and yet still managed to get our teeth kicked in by Oral Roberts (!) in the middle of the 291st ranked OOC schedule. So what happened? Both teams won 19 games including at least one post-season game in the NIT and made the Sweet 16 the next season. New coaches, young teams, one tournament one easy schedule and not much difference in the morale or results. So count me as one who thinks not everything that can be analyzed should be. The only argument for the tournament versus no tournament is if we end up walking the high wire at 9-9 in conference and the schedule knocks us out of the tourney. In some ways, you could argue that did happen in 2005 but I think most of us would agree losing 6 of our last 7 is what cost us a bid that year. Also Depaul taking Oregon to OT is not going to magically stop a decade of sucking because they are inspired by being 1-4. EDIT: The loss to Oral Roberts was part of a tournament.--Adminwww.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/121604aaa.htmlSorry, I guess we just didn't play anybody high level in the tournament. Basic premise holds as it relates to playing Top Ten teams vs lighter schedule.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 25, 2017 10:56:14 GMT -5
Also selfishly I'm glad we weren't playing in these games that started at 11:30 at night on the east coast on Thanksgiving and then around 10 at night the next day.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 25, 2017 11:06:27 GMT -5
It's not what a program should strive for but it's not something a program should ever run scared from either.. I'm with PE on most things but this schedule & the views he expresses regarding scheduling are concerning to me.. Good opportunity for Depaul. I was hoping they would pull that one out. We played a tough schedule the last two years and I didn't see significant improvement from start to finish. We played plenty of teams to the wire and it mattered little. IMO, for the most part you get better in practice, a game gives you an opportunity to show that improvement. At this stage it seems the HC has decided his team needs practice and reps more than playing in a big time tourney. It's not about playing a tough schedule this season, it's about playing a tougher schedule.. Every team on the schedule would have stayed the same except for Richmond, even adding Mich St., Oregon & Portland St. wouldn't have made the schedule tough.. It just wouldn't be historically bad anymore.. Imo practice gives a team the chance to work on things they think/hope will be successful, games(especially tougher ones) gives them the chance to see if what they've practiced actually works..
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Nov 25, 2017 11:42:29 GMT -5
Cant we just enjoy being one of the last 38 undefeated teams in the country?
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 25, 2017 11:47:25 GMT -5
Nothing to be gained by playing some real competition...smh. How can anyone defend this? One year...that’s it.
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Post by HoyaChris on Nov 25, 2017 12:52:02 GMT -5
Am I just being cynice here, or did Ben Standing want to cover the PK80 in person?
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Post by boxout05 on Nov 25, 2017 13:02:37 GMT -5
Also selfishly I'm glad we weren't playing in these games that started at 11:30 at night on the east coast on Thanksgiving and then around 10 at night the next day. That’s a great point. It’ll be much easier to watch the game on the Stadium periscope stream. Good exposure.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 25, 2017 14:14:19 GMT -5
Also selfishly I'm glad we weren't playing in these games that started at 11:30 at night on the east coast on Thanksgiving and then around 10 at night the next day. That’s a great point. It’ll be much easier to watch the game on the Stadium periscope stream. Good exposure. Seeing as I stream all Georgetown games already yeah it is easier to watch the game in the same form I already do at a reasonable hour. so yeah.
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Post by MCIGuy on Nov 25, 2017 14:28:19 GMT -5
Nothing to be gained by playing some real competition...smh. How can anyone defend this? One year...that’s it. I kinda lean towards Just Cos' argument but this response made me spit my drink. Good job.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 25, 2017 17:45:38 GMT -5
Cant we just enjoy being one of the last 38 undefeated teams in the country? Not sure if this is sarcastic or not but in case it’s serious, I’m not concerned about being undefeated if it means we are playing tons of awful opponents. Most high major teams playing our schedule would be undefeated.
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Post by McBricks on Nov 25, 2017 19:15:57 GMT -5
Cant we just enjoy being one of the last 38 undefeated teams in the country? Hoya’s need to win today to keep this accolade.
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