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Post by gamp on Nov 22, 2017 10:33:20 GMT -5
We know. Everybody knows. It is what it is. Can we just get over it, move on, and see how it goes? Please?
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njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Nov 22, 2017 10:49:39 GMT -5
You must be new here. We have to complain about the schedule on a daily basis to be permitted to post on this site.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Nov 22, 2017 10:53:09 GMT -5
Exactly- Thanksgiving week is as an appropriate time as any for teeth-gnashing, weeping, and other activities so prevalent on Hoya Talk.
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Just Cos
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Post by Just Cos on Nov 22, 2017 11:41:32 GMT -5
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Post by kbones17 on Nov 22, 2017 12:21:03 GMT -5
I don’t see it as complaining about the schedule. It’s a Hoyas message board and we come here to discuss what we see and think about the team. Each day forward and game into the season we are getting more info on what this season will bring. The schedule has been and will continue to be an interesting topic to analyze. Any one who doesn’t like it should tune it out, but to me this is one of the most relevant topics as we see what this team is capable of.
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Post by iowa80 on Nov 22, 2017 12:24:27 GMT -5
Isn't raising the issue kind of inviting further commentary?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 22, 2017 12:26:33 GMT -5
Neither does talking about it😎
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Post by bostonfan on Nov 22, 2017 12:35:47 GMT -5
I don’t see it as complaining about the schedule. It’s a Hoyas message board and we come here to discuss what we see and think about the team. Each day forward and game into the season we are getting more info on what this season will bring. The schedule has been and will continue to be an interesting topic to analyze. Any one who doesn’t like it should tune it out, but to me this is one of the most relevant topics as we see what this team is capable of. There is no doubt the Hoyas OOC schedule this year is very light and not challenging, but that does not mean the team can not improve and work on executing the new things the staff is asking them to do. While the games have not been challenging to date, the team needs to stay focused and use these games as opportunities to improve. The teams they have played are not good teams, but they are D1 programs so it is not like they are playing some D3 program. Richmond should be a better test for them and we can see how they react to that. Everyone would have liked the OOC schedule to be stronger, but if they use these games correctly they can still be useful as they prepare for what is going to be a very strong Big East schedule.
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Post by aggypryd on Nov 22, 2017 13:01:24 GMT -5
Nothing we can do to change the schedule now. This is a rebuilding year for the guys. Let them learn how to play together, make mistakes, and collect some wins.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 22, 2017 13:04:21 GMT -5
It's only going to get worse, as after Richmond we play four consecutive games against four teams worse than the ones we have already played.
Aside from the fact that it is awful for our schedule and RPI, playing these types of games where we just crush the lowest of the low isn't fun. It's okay for a game or two, but there's really not much to be gained or learned from beating up on hopeless teams for a month.
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Post by professorhoya on Nov 22, 2017 13:11:19 GMT -5
Isn't raising the issue kind of inviting further commentary? That's a tactic TJI Hoyas has mastered.
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Post by dchoya72 on Nov 22, 2017 13:45:31 GMT -5
At this point what does talking/complaining about the schedule change. The coach has a strategy and he's working it. He's gotten some new, very good recruits. The style of play is evident and strong. Why play a stronger schedule this year while the coach is working lots of things out, and perhaps endure losses that folks will complain and bitch about? Some things will be worked out in time. I'm confident the schedule will be stronger next year, and still some on this board will be weeping, and more of the same... blah, blah, blah. Happy Thanksgving, and not for the experience of the pilgrims.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Nov 22, 2017 15:26:26 GMT -5
It's only going to get worse, as after Richmond we play four consecutive games against four teams worse than the ones we have already played. Aside from the fact that it is awful for our schedule and RPI, playing these types of games where we just crush the lowest of the low isn't fun. It's okay for a game or two, but there's really not much to be gained or learned from beating up on hopeless teams for a month. I disagree. There absolutely is something to be learned for this new coach and team.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Nov 23, 2017 11:31:37 GMT -5
I was fully against pulling out of the PK80.
But I think a strong argument can be made for that decision looking at what just happened to Cal in Maui.
Game one they go toe to toe with Wichita St. Almost pull of the upset, but the loss absolutely devastates them.
They go on to lose to VCU and then further demoralized they get blown out by Chaminade.
Obviously you can't say for sure the same would've happened to us. But I imagine this is the scenario Pat hoped the team would avoid. And it was a very real possibility.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 23, 2017 14:00:49 GMT -5
I was fully against pulling out of the PK80. But I think a strong argument can be made for that decision looking at what just happened to Cal in Maui. Game one they go toe to toe with Wichita St. Almost pull of the upset, but the loss absolutely devastates them. They go on to lose to VCU and then further demoralized they get blown out by Chaminade. Obviously you can't say for sure the same would've happened to us. But I imagine this is the scenario Pat hoped the team would avoid. And it was a very real possibility. Isn't dealing with adversity a lesson all teams need to learn in order to be successful?
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Post by dense on Nov 23, 2017 14:53:46 GMT -5
I was fully against pulling out of the PK80. But I think a strong argument can be made for that decision looking at what just happened to Cal in Maui. Game one they go toe to toe with Wichita St. Almost pull of the upset, but the loss absolutely devastates them. They go on to lose to VCU and then further demoralized they get blown out by Chaminade. Obviously you can't say for sure the same would've happened to us. But I imagine this is the scenario Pat hoped the team would avoid. And it was a very real possibility. Isn't dealing with adversity a lesson all teams need to learn in order to be successful? Not with players who just lost a ton for the last 2 years. Gotta give them some success to instill confidence in this way of playing in my opinion.
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Post by blueandgray on Nov 23, 2017 22:24:24 GMT -5
I love our schedule. It’s what the doctor ordered. Happy TG to all my HT friends!!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Nov 24, 2017 0:42:53 GMT -5
Had we stayed in the PK 80, we would have been playing right now. DePaul is playing in our place, against Michigan State, and they enter halftime 31-31. Given that DePaul is a similar team to ours (and maybe worse), it's safe to say we wouldn't have gotten our butts kicked (to paraphrase Ewing) had we gone. It's a missed opportunity.
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Post by EtomicB on Nov 24, 2017 1:19:49 GMT -5
Isn't dealing with adversity a lesson all teams need to learn in order to be successful? Not with players who just lost a ton for the last 2 years. Gotta give them some success to instill confidence in this way of playing in my opinion. But only 3 of the kids on the team who are actually playing right now were in the program for the last two seasons so it's not as if every player has been damaged by the programs recent past plus none of the coaches have been @ Gtown both years.. Govan, Derrickson & Johnson won 15 & 14 games in each season, it's terrible but that's not exactly losing a ton in my view.. DePaul has lost a ton over the past few seasons, same for St. John's.. I can't help but to wonder how many posters would be posting about how PE is pushing the players too hard if they stayed in the PK80?
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Post by dense on Nov 24, 2017 2:10:55 GMT -5
Not with players who just lost a ton for the last 2 years. Gotta give them some success to instill confidence in this way of playing in my opinion. But only 3 of the kids on the team who are actually playing right now were in the program for the last two seasons so it's not as if every player has been damaged by the programs recent past plus none of the coaches have been @ Gtown both years.. Govan, Derrickson & Johnson won 15 & 14 games in each season, it's terrible but that's not exactly losing a ton in my view.. DePaul has lost a ton over the past few seasons, same for St. John's.. I can't help but to wonder how many posters would be posting about how PE is pushing the players too hard if they stayed in the PK80? Kind of hard to determine your last statement because we would not have known if it was even an option to pull out. To answer the first part when those 3 are starters and the leaders of your team it is important because their attitude sets the example for the newcomers.
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