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Post by EtomicB on Jul 3, 2017 7:02:47 GMT -5
The new Butler coach was asked in a podcast interview what the transition to Butler was like.. He listed getting a staff, meeting with players and meeting with the strength coach to find out about the current players.. I haven't heard anything similar from PE.. Edit: In fairness to PE we never heard talk of S&C coaches during JT3's tenure either.. |
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jul 3, 2017 7:54:43 GMT -5
I would hope that with the strength and conditioning emphasis in the NBA, Patrick is intimately aware of the importance, and will help the program improve in that area.
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Post by 95hoya on Jul 3, 2017 7:56:00 GMT -5
Just as important as any assistant coaching hire.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 3, 2017 10:19:53 GMT -5
I would hope that with the strength and conditioning emphasis in the NBA, Patrick is intimately aware of the importance, and will help the program improve in that area. I hope so too.. It's disappointing that we haven't seen any pics or vids of the players working out at the Thompson Center.. It's more proof that the current administration is asleep at the wheel when it comes to selling the program.. |
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 3, 2017 10:41:30 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 3, 2017 12:04:46 GMT -5
It's more proof that the current administration is asleep at the wheel when it comes to selling the program.. What, as opposed to the prior administration? People need to put aside this straw man that the "administration" (however one defines it) is holding back men's basketball. Georgetown spends more on men's basketball than 340 of 351 Division I programs, with the indirect effect of limiting the competitiveness of other Georgetown teams and programs as a result. That's a price GU is willing to pay but if the perceived promotion isn't there, it's not always "the administration" responsible for it. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 3, 2017 13:28:22 GMT -5
I'm subscribed to Iron Hoya on YouTube.. There are many football videos on there but not one of the signature sport at Georgetown.. The above staff sounds perfect so why haven't we heard more about them? |
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 3, 2017 14:14:22 GMT -5
It's more proof that the current administration is asleep at the wheel when it comes to selling the program.. What, as opposed to the prior administration? People need to put aside this straw man that the "administration" (however one defines it) is holding back men's basketball. Georgetown spends more on men's basketball than 340 of 351 Division I programs, with the indirect effect of limiting the competitiveness of other Georgetown teams and programs as a result. That's a price GU is willing to pay but if the perceived promotion isn't there, it's not always "the administration" responsible for it. The current administration is the "old" administration in my view.. The only thing that has changed recently in this program is the coaching staff.. I define the administration(JT2 is included) as the folks who oversee all phases of the Men's basketball program.. JT3 should take a lot of the blame for the programs downturn but you can't act is if this was a well oiled machine without taking him into consideration.. not to mention it doesn't cost much money to do this... |
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Post by McBricks on Jul 5, 2017 15:19:55 GMT -5
Old or new administration debate aside, Georgetown simply has no idea how to market itself. And I'm just talking about the hoops program. I mean the University. They do a terrible job reaching out to alumni, except to ask for money. The hoops program needs to do a much better job connecting with fans year round, especially those (like me) that don't live in or around DC. Hoya Paranoia was acceptable when we were really good. I'm really nervous how another year of being around the basement of the Big East coupled with no national marketing will do to this program. The average basketball fan will not even talk about Georgetown during the upcoming season, except to maybe talk about Iverson and the Big3 or that Ewing is the new coach. We need to stand for something and get ourselves back into the basketball conversation before it's too late. And that means posting on social media, sharing behind the scenes with the team and individual players, posting videos, talking to the press as much as possible, etc. A great example is what new Oakland A's team president Dave Kaval is doing. The A's are awful. Their ballpark is pretty awful and old. But Dave has totally rejuvenated the fan base. He's listening to fan comments constantly, posting on social media, reconnecting with A's legends, being active in the community, connecting with young fans, holding weekly open office hours with fans, ... He's doing everything right and being transparent with the fan base. The A's still stink, but people care again. The Hoyas could (and should) learn from him. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/04/12/oakland-athletics-coliseum-new-ballpark-dave-kaval-food-trucks/100366464/www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2017/04/04/MLB-Season-Preview/Social-Studies.aspxtwitter.com/DaveKaval |
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Post by justsaying on Jul 5, 2017 16:44:38 GMT -5
Old or new administration debate aside, Georgetown simply has no idea how to market itself. And I'm just talking about the hoops program. I mean the University. They do a terrible job reaching out to alumni, except to ask for money. The hoops program needs to do a much better job connecting with fans year round, especially those (like me) that don't live in or around DC. Hoya Paranoia was acceptable when we were really good. I'm really nervous how another year of being around the basement of the Big East coupled with no national marketing will do to this program. The average basketball fan will not even talk about Georgetown during the upcoming season, except to maybe talk about Iverson and the Big3 or that Ewing is the new coach. We need to stand for something and get ourselves back into the basketball conversation before it's too late. And that means posting on social media, sharing behind the scenes with the team and individual players, posting videos, talking to the press as much as possible, etc. A great example is what new Oakland A's team president Dave Kaval is doing. The A's are awful. Their ballpark is pretty awful and old. But Dave has totally rejuvenated the fan base. He's listening to fan comments constantly, posting on social media, reconnecting with A's legends, being active in the community, connecting with young fans, holding weekly open office hours with fans, ... He's doing everything right and being transparent with the fan base. The A's still stink, but people care again. The Hoyas could (and should) learn from him. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/04/12/oakland-athletics-coliseum-new-ballpark-dave-kaval-food-trucks/100366464/www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2017/04/04/MLB-Season-Preview/Social-Studies.aspxtwitter.com/DaveKaval I can doing nothing but agree. If you keep something locked away long enough you will forget about it. It would be nice to not have to dig and dig to find about about your favorite sports team. Programs that consistently pulls top level recruits are just about always throwing out team information or promoting themselves in some way. More fans means more $$, more interest leads to more talk, leads to more buzz, which can lead to more interest by those young talented recruits (they want to be hyped and noticed.) that are needed. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 6, 2017 8:13:11 GMT -5
Old or new administration debate aside, Georgetown simply has no idea how to market itself. And I'm just talking about the hoops program. I mean the University. They do a terrible job reaching out to alumni, except to ask for money. The hoops program needs to do a much better job connecting with fans year round, especially those (like me) that don't live in or around DC. Hoya Paranoia was acceptable when we were really good. I'm really nervous how another year of being around the basement of the Big East coupled with no national marketing will do to this program. The average basketball fan will not even talk about Georgetown during the upcoming season, except to maybe talk about Iverson and the Big3 or that Ewing is the new coach. We need to stand for something and get ourselves back into the basketball conversation before it's too late. And that means posting on social media, sharing behind the scenes with the team and individual players, posting videos, talking to the press as much as possible, etc. A great example is what new Oakland A's team president Dave Kaval is doing. The A's are awful. Their ballpark is pretty awful and old. But Dave has totally rejuvenated the fan base. He's listening to fan comments constantly, posting on social media, reconnecting with A's legends, being active in the community, connecting with young fans, holding weekly open office hours with fans, ... He's doing everything right and being transparent with the fan base. The A's still stink, but people care again. The Hoyas could (and should) learn from him. www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2017/04/12/oakland-athletics-coliseum-new-ballpark-dave-kaval-food-trucks/100366464/www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2017/04/04/MLB-Season-Preview/Social-Studies.aspxtwitter.com/DaveKaval The Sports Business Daily article was very interesting, this quote is on point.. Connecting through social: It’s just a really important way to reach people these days. Media is changing, and you have to be progressive about reaching out through these other mediums in order to communicate the message and the vision that we have for our club and our new ballpark.The irony is the fact that judging from this tweet Gtown looks to have an excellent marketing team in place, why it's not being fully utilized to promote the basketball program is beyond me.. Again how hard would it be to see posts like this from Gtown? Best way to promote the great new practice facility is to show it in use.. Here's what the best coach in the league posted yesterday.. Does any of this directly help a team win, probably not but I'd bet it does help to influence the kids you're recruiting to help you win.. |
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Post by calhoya on Jul 6, 2017 8:45:05 GMT -5
Agree strongly with all of this discussion. Times have changed and so far the Georgetown Administration's approach to its basketball programs seems stuck in a time warp. I live across the country in SoCal and have averaged attending 2-4 games a year for nearly 20 years. Not enough to make me an indispensable alumnus by any means but I contribute regularly to the athletic fund and have openly supported other programs at the school. Yet throughout this entire disaster of a basketball season, the only communications I have received, from the President and Lee Reed have been solicitations for contributions. There was a time when kids playing for my brother-in-law's AAU club out here in SoCal and their coaches all talked about the Hoyas--even as recently as Greg Monroe and Otto Porter. Now, it is difficult to find any discussion of the Hoyas even in the DMV. I know that there are many factors for the apparent loss of interest but it is important for the Administration to make the effort to re-establish those connections if it still wants to have a strong and viable program. It cannot place that entire burden on Ewing as he has plenty on his plate already.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 6, 2017 12:11:55 GMT -5
Agree strongly with all of this discussion. Times have changed and so far the Georgetown Administration's approach to its basketball programs seems stuck in a time warp. I live across the country in SoCal and have averaged attending 2-4 games a year for nearly 20 years. Not enough to make me an indispensable alumnus by any means but I contribute regularly to the athletic fund and have openly supported other programs at the school. Yet throughout this entire disaster of a basketball season, the only communications I have received, from the President and Lee Reed have been solicitations for contributions. There was a time when kids playing for my brother-in-law's AAU club out here in SoCal and their coaches all talked about the Hoyas--even as recently as Greg Monroe and Otto Porter. Now, it is difficult to find any discussion of the Hoyas even in the DMV. I know that there are many factors for the apparent loss of interest but it is important for the Administration to make the effort to re-establish those connections if it still wants to have a strong and viable program. It cannot place that entire burden on Ewing as he has plenty on his plate already. One suggestion: tulanegreenwave.com/news/2017/6/29/tulane-athletics-to-continue-green-wave-fan-advisory-committee.aspxAnother thing Tulane does a good job of--getting coaches on the road to visit alumni: tulanegreenwave.com/news/2017/5/9/general-tulane-athletics-readies-for-2017-rolling-with-the-wave-tour.aspx |
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Post by calhoya on Jul 6, 2017 14:57:14 GMT -5
Agree strongly with all of this discussion. Times have changed and so far the Georgetown Administration's approach to its basketball programs seems stuck in a time warp. I live across the country in SoCal and have averaged attending 2-4 games a year for nearly 20 years. Not enough to make me an indispensable alumnus by any means but I contribute regularly to the athletic fund and have openly supported other programs at the school. Yet throughout this entire disaster of a basketball season, the only communications I have received, from the President and Lee Reed have been solicitations for contributions. There was a time when kids playing for my brother-in-law's AAU club out here in SoCal and their coaches all talked about the Hoyas--even as recently as Greg Monroe and Otto Porter. Now, it is difficult to find any discussion of the Hoyas even in the DMV. I know that there are many factors for the apparent loss of interest but it is important for the Administration to make the effort to re-establish those connections if it still wants to have a strong and viable program. It cannot place that entire burden on Ewing as he has plenty on his plate already. One suggestion: tulanegreenwave.com/news/2017/6/29/tulane-athletics-to-continue-green-wave-fan-advisory-committee.aspxAnother thing Tulane does a good job of--getting coaches on the road to visit alumni: tulanegreenwave.com/news/2017/5/9/general-tulane-athletics-readies-for-2017-rolling-with-the-wave-tour.aspxYes any engagement is good. Also, would be nice to see more information about other school programs as well. Outstanding track and cross country and soccer teams in recent years. Someone other than the diehards needs to know about this as the Athletic Department should tout these kids who come and endure the difficulties of a tough academic environment while participating in extracurricular activities. |
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 7, 2017 10:10:47 GMT -5
Gtown has a to up it's game..
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Post by DanMcQ on Jul 7, 2017 16:43:45 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 7, 2017 17:03:29 GMT -5
The yearly yoga pics.. The Wounded Warriors project makes it much more enjoyable this year though.. |
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Post by McBricks on Jul 7, 2017 17:32:53 GMT -5
Agree strongly with all of this discussion. Times have changed and so far the Georgetown Administration's approach to its basketball programs seems stuck in a time warp. I live across the country in SoCal and have averaged attending 2-4 games a year for nearly 20 years. Not enough to make me an indispensable alumnus by any means but I contribute regularly to the athletic fund and have openly supported other programs at the school. Yet throughout this entire disaster of a basketball season, the only communications I have received, from the President and Lee Reed have been solicitations for contributions. There was a time when kids playing for my brother-in-law's AAU club out here in SoCal and their coaches all talked about the Hoyas--even as recently as Greg Monroe and Otto Porter. Now, it is difficult to find any discussion of the Hoyas even in the DMV. I know that there are many factors for the apparent loss of interest but it is important for the Administration to make the effort to re-establish those connections if it still wants to have a strong and viable program. It cannot place that entire burden on Ewing as he has plenty on his plate already. One suggestion: tulanegreenwave.com/news/2017/6/29/tulane-athletics-to-continue-green-wave-fan-advisory-committee.aspxAnother thing Tulane does a good job of--getting coaches on the road to visit alumni: tulanegreenwave.com/news/2017/5/9/general-tulane-athletics-readies-for-2017-rolling-with-the-wave-tour.aspxKudos to Tulane. This is an awesome idea and frankly, one that Georgetown should borrow. But if we are truly being honest, I'm not sure whether Georgetown actually wants (or cares for) fans' feedback on the program, its marketing, etc. Here's some further background on Tulane's program. It would truly be a new regime if Georgetown actually did something like this. Not sure I see it ever happening though. The continued mission of the Fan Advisory Committee is to engage Tulane Athletics with Green Wave fans while providing a forum for dialogue and for formal feedback. Topics generally covered in the meetings, but not limited to, include: branding, ticket pricing, donation levels and benefits, game day experience, connecting with target markets, amongst other subjects surrounding Tulane Athletics. The committee will comprise up to 25 people, including students, alums, season ticket holders, donors, faculty & staff and members of the local community. The appointment with the committee will last one year and will meet quarterly. |
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Post by FLHoya on Jul 9, 2017 13:16:37 GMT -5
Kudos to Tulane. This is an awesome idea and frankly, one that Georgetown should borrow. But if we are truly being honest, I'm not sure whether Georgetown actually wants (or cares for) fans' feedback on the program, its marketing, etc. Here's some further background on Tulane's program. It would truly be a new regime if Georgetown actually did something like this. Not sure I see it ever happening though. The continued mission of the Fan Advisory Committee is to engage Tulane Athletics with Green Wave fans while providing a forum for dialogue and for formal feedback. Topics generally covered in the meetings, but not limited to, include: branding, ticket pricing, donation levels and benefits, game day experience, connecting with target markets, amongst other subjects surrounding Tulane Athletics. The committee will comprise up to 25 people, including students, alums, season ticket holders, donors, faculty & staff and members of the local community. The appointment with the committee will last one year and will meet quarterly. This would be a good model to re-purpose the Hoya Hoop Club's board. They've tried to make progress in two relevant areas to this point in the past few years: (1) getting a few out-of-towners on as advisory type board members; (2) trying to make sure if you get on the board, you actually do something productive. Have they actually made any progress? Eh, I'm not really sure, especially on #2. But the thought is there, and it wouldn't be THAT hard to flip it into something operational, because goodness knows plenty of alums with ideas would jump at the chance to be involved with something fairly low-effort, high-impact like that. I should also say--both Steve Alleva and Chris Grosse generally do share a decent amount of information during board meetings about upcoming ticket sales, promotions, events, etc. though when I was in charge of the Hoop Club's Twitter account, it was a little challenging to share as much as I'd have liked. This was mostly because the Hoop Club gradually cut back on the number of board meetings over the years, so by last season I'm not sure if they met between October and the end of the season. So you'd hear in October a lot of sketched out plans with placeholders, and it's hard to tweet, "Well, they're going to do a donor reception, but they're deciding between one of four home games and..."--and this is if they hadn't told us not to spread any news yet because things were still too preliminary/secret. Then by the time you'd meet again, it's already February and the stuff's already happened. If you went to a Fan Advisory Committee model that meets virtually, you could do meetings once a month from about September/October to March and maybe once over the summer. |
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