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Post by sleepy on Aug 4, 2017 10:25:48 GMT -5
In 2013 he was doing okay, but there were problems even back around that time. However, in 2016 and 2017 the problem reared its ugly head with no fix in site. He was removed. As far as "back to the future" with scheduling, it is not a foregone conclusion. We don't know the schedule, correct? You're contradicting yourself here, in a previous post you told us that "winning cures all" but now you're saying even when JT3 was winning there were issues.. You can't have it both ways(no pun intended) I don't care about tweeting either but I do care about the program promoting itself properly... Social media, Twitter especially is an easy way to promote.. I also don't expect or want PE to be the person doing the posting, the fact is he has a staff under him he can delegate duties to.. Another fact is that PE/Gtown has an award winning marketing department at their disposal, take advantage of it.. To stay on thread topic performance coaches are huge in CBB these days, you can downplay its importance if you want to but the truth is most programs are making it a priority.. I'm not sure you understand what "winning cures all" means as what he said just reinforced that thinking, not contradicted it.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 4, 2017 10:37:28 GMT -5
You're contradicting yourself here, in a previous post you told us that "winning cures all" but now you're saying even when JT3 was winning there were issues.. You can't have it both ways(no pun intended) I don't care about tweeting either but I do care about the program promoting itself properly... Social media, Twitter especially is an easy way to promote.. I also don't expect or want PE to be the person doing the posting, the fact is he has a staff under him he can delegate duties to.. Another fact is that PE/Gtown has an award winning marketing department at their disposal, take advantage of it.. To stay on thread topic performance coaches are huge in CBB these days, you can downplay its importance if you want to but the truth is most programs are making it a priority.. No contradiction at all. Nice try. III still had job in 2013. He won. He doesn't have job now because he lost, 2 losing seasons in a row. Doesn't mean he didn't have flaws back in 2013. Early round exit in the tournament to a lower seed. Which was a recurring problem for him. Not enough to remove or fire him. Let's not forget the spotty recruiting 2013-2017 that helped aid his demise as well. But yes, strength coaches... How do you know Ewing isn't making it a priority? Just because we aren't tweeting about it!? It is still early in the regime. The staff might start tweeting to your liking. You never know. So you're admitting that winning doesn't cure all right? I know that S&C looks to be a priority for programs like Nova, Xavier, PC & St. Johns because of the way they promote it using Twitter.. So yes, Gtown choosing not to promote its state of the art training facility leaves me with the impression it's not a priority.. I hope you're right and they do take advantage of social media's promotional powers..
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 4, 2017 10:38:18 GMT -5
You're contradicting yourself here, in a previous post you told us that "winning cures all" but now you're saying even when JT3 was winning there were issues.. You can't have it both ways(no pun intended) I don't care about tweeting either but I do care about the program promoting itself properly... Social media, Twitter especially is an easy way to promote.. I also don't expect or want PE to be the person doing the posting, the fact is he has a staff under him he can delegate duties to.. Another fact is that PE/Gtown has an award winning marketing department at their disposal, take advantage of it.. To stay on thread topic performance coaches are huge in CBB these days, you can downplay its importance if you want to but the truth is most programs are making it a priority.. I'm not sure you understand what "winning cures all" means as what he said just reinforced that thinking, not contradicted it. I guess I dont, please explain it to me..
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Post by Hoyaholic on Aug 4, 2017 10:54:55 GMT -5
You're contradicting yourself here, in a previous post you told us that "winning cures all" but now you're saying even when JT3 was winning there were issues.. You can't have it both ways(no pun intended) I don't care about tweeting either but I do care about the program promoting itself properly... Social media, Twitter especially is an easy way to promote.. I also don't expect or want PE to be the person doing the posting, the fact is he has a staff under him he can delegate duties to.. Another fact is that PE/Gtown has an award winning marketing department at their disposal, take advantage of it.. To stay on thread topic performance coaches are huge in CBB these days, you can downplay its importance if you want to but the truth is most programs are making it a priority.. No contradiction at all. Nice try. III still had job in 2013. He won. He doesn't have job now because he lost, 2 losing seasons in a row. Doesn't mean he didn't have flaws back in 2013. Early round exit in the tournament to a lower seed. Which was a recurring problem for him. Not enough to remove or fire him. Let's not forget the spotty recruiting 2013-2017 that helped aid his demise as well. But yes, strength coaches... How do you know Ewing isn't making it a priority? Just because we aren't tweeting about it!? It is still early in the regime. The staff might start tweeting to your liking. You never know. So your logic is "Don't complain that the staff isn't doing something that is valuable, and important to potential recruits. They might do it later." Um, OK. I think it's a very fair criticism. A major part of running a basketball program - especially in the age of social media - is PR, both to potential recruits and to fans. If this staff doesn't figure that out, it makes the winning part that much more difficult. First impressions matter, and this regime is making a pretty lousy one so far. Also, JTIII's 2014 & 2015 classes were among his best (on paper at least).
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Post by the_way on Aug 4, 2017 11:16:37 GMT -5
No contradiction at all. Nice try. III still had job in 2013. He won. He doesn't have job now because he lost, 2 losing seasons in a row. Doesn't mean he didn't have flaws back in 2013. Early round exit in the tournament to a lower seed. Which was a recurring problem for him. Not enough to remove or fire him. Let's not forget the spotty recruiting 2013-2017 that helped aid his demise as well. But yes, strength coaches... How do you know Ewing isn't making it a priority? Just because we aren't tweeting about it!? It is still early in the regime. The staff might start tweeting to your liking. You never know. So your logic is "Don't complain that the staff isn't doing something that is valuable, and important to potential recruits. They might do it later." Um, OK. I think it's a very fair criticism. A major part of running a basketball program - especially in the age of social media - is PR, both to potential recruits and to fans. If this staff doesn't figure that out, it makes the winning part that much more difficult. First impressions matter, and this regime is making a pretty lousy one so far. Also, JTIII's 2014 & 2015 classes were among his best (on paper at least). On paper? Well they play the game on the basketball court, not on paper. Those 2014 and 2015 classes weren't enough to save his job or prevent two losing seasons. When you get right down to it, Ewing has done a solid job. He is a veteran NBA assistant head coach who was hired late into the recruiting period. We are coming off of two losing seasons. He landed a solid recruiting class and hired a credible staff. He has done interviews and he has been scouting recruits. He is putting in the work. Nothing lousy about it. More exciting to see than disappointing. Nothing this man does is good enough. He hasn't even been here for 6 months. Hasn't coached a game. Plenty of time to implement more things for the program. A social media presence might be one of them. Give our coach time to get his program off the ground before writing him off prematurely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 12:26:37 GMT -5
I don't think the Social Media promotion matters much to recruits. They're caught up with their own stuff. I do think it does a lot to enhance fan interaction and interest in your program from a fan perspective.
A vid of kids working out, doing stuff in the gym might not get recruits excited (It may), but it definitely gets fans excited. Fans want access. The more access you give them the easier it is for them to spend their $$...
That's my 2 cents at least...
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Post by the_way on Aug 4, 2017 12:45:36 GMT -5
I don't think the Social Media promotion matters much to recruits. They're caught up with their own stuff. I do think it does a lot to enhance fan interaction and interest in your program from a fan perspective. A vid of kids working out, doing stuff in the gym might not get recruits excited (It may), but it definitely gets fans excited. Fans want access. The more access you give them the easier it is for them to spend their $$... That's my 2 cents at least... no pun, right?
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 4, 2017 12:58:54 GMT -5
I'm not sure you understand what "winning cures all" means as what he said just reinforced that thinking, not contradicted it. I guess I dont, please explain it to me.. JT3 had flaws. In 2013 he was winning so the flaws didn't matter. In 2015/2016 he stopped winning so the flaws mattered and he got fired. The winning cured his flaws and once he stopped they were exposed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 15:13:33 GMT -5
I don't think the Social Media promotion matters much to recruits. They're caught up with their own stuff. I do think it does a lot to enhance fan interaction and interest in your program from a fan perspective. A vid of kids working out, doing stuff in the gym might not get recruits excited (It may), but it definitely gets fans excited. Fans want access. The more access you give them the easier it is for them to spend their $$... That's my 2 cents at least... Someone in McD must be reading this thread. GeorgetownHoops has been tweeting today as the team is out and about in DC on a team-building scavenger hunt. They were at some of the Smithsonian museums and the MLK Jr memorial. As a fan, I like it. It humanizes the team, the kids, the program. Like you say, it gave me a little bit of "access" on a slow summer Friday afternoon. I hope we do more of it (and Chris Grosse continues to do his thing on the marketing side). I hope PE encourages it generally.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 4, 2017 16:56:24 GMT -5
I guess I dont, please explain it to me.. JT3 had flaws. In 2013 he was winning so the flaws didn't matter. In 2015/2016 he stopped winning so the flaws mattered and he got fired. The winning cured his flaws and once he stopped they were exposed. I'm not buying this Hometown.. Flaws matter even when you're winning.. Winning helped to hide the flaws but it didn't cure them obviously..
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Post by FLHoya on Aug 4, 2017 17:54:03 GMT -5
Someone in McD must be reading this thread. GeorgetownHoops has been tweeting today as the team is out and about in DC on a team-building scavenger hunt. They were at some of the Smithsonian museums and the MLK Jr memorial. As a fan, I like it. It humanizes the team, the kids, the program. Like you say, it gave me a little bit of "access" on a slow summer Friday afternoon. I hope we do more of it (and Chris Grosse continues to do his thing on the marketing side). I hope PE encourages it generally. Yup, it's a nice thing to do for all the reasons that Cam and yaboynyp outlined. Takes very little effort and it's a win for everyone. GeorgetownHoops (the social media accounts and the program generally) tends to do better when they're working with something familiar. The scavenger hunt seems to be an annual activity now, or at least something the team decided to do again after last season, so McDonough knows it's coming and probably "plans" the social media strategy inasmuch as one does that. Same thing with the "hey look, the team's doing yoga one random day!" that's become an annual thing and is good for an Instagram post or two around this time of year. The trick is to get the same level of creativity and try-anything spirit that Chris Grosse brings to the Marketing Dept to the social media game. Should the Coaches--Head, Assistant, Strength, or otherwise--tweet? It's not the end of the world if they don't, but it's a low-risk, high-reward thing to do, and you definitely notice when other coaches do it well, so SOMEBODY associated with the program should be doing it. For instance, let's say we do get new Strengths Coaches for the men's program...that'd be a good thing to highlight on social media, if/when it happens.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 4, 2017 17:57:12 GMT -5
I don't think the Social Media promotion matters much to recruits. They're caught up with their own stuff. I do think it does a lot to enhance fan interaction and interest in your program from a fan perspective. A vid of kids working out, doing stuff in the gym might not get recruits excited (It may), but it definitely gets fans excited. Fans want access. The more access you give them the easier it is for them to spend their $$... That's my 2 cents at least... Someone in McD must be reading this thread. GeorgetownHoops has been tweeting today as the team is out and about in DC on a team-building scavenger hunt. They were at some of the Smithsonian museums and the MLK Jr memorial. As a fan, I like it. It humanizes the team, the kids, the program. Like you say, it gave me a little bit of "access" on a slow summer Friday afternoon. I hope we do more of it (and Chris Grosse continues to do his thing on the marketing side). I hope PE encourages it generally. This to me is the key, it's about "want to" imo.. JT3 didn't want to do much of anything social media wise during his time @ Gtown so it wasn't done.. Now the question becomes does PE want his program to be involved? I reject the notion the PE has too much on his plate right now for this to happen.. He can let Wallace run lead on something like this and if I were Wallace the 1st thing I'd do is shoot an email to Chris Grosse or someone on his team asking them to put together a plan/proposal on how to make it happen.. There should be little to no heavy lifting for PE at all, he just has to want to see it done.. I'm in project meetings all the time where the person who requested the initiative(a director or above) never attends any of the meetings, they have a delegate who sits in & then reports back on the progress. I don't see how it would be any different for PE or any HC for the matter..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 4, 2017 20:11:29 GMT -5
JT3 had flaws. In 2013 he was winning so the flaws didn't matter. In 2015/2016 he stopped winning so the flaws mattered and he got fired. The winning cured his flaws and once he stopped they were exposed. I'm not buying this Hometown.. Flaws matter even when you're winning.. Winning helped to hide the flaws but it didn't cure them obviously.. Flaws always matter - but they are more easily overlooked when you are winning.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Aug 5, 2017 6:30:15 GMT -5
I don't care much about social media because I'm not part of any of it. But I get the point that those are making that it gives us fans a little more access to a program that historically has been guarded like the hope diamond.
I'd like to see some evidence of the kids working hard on S&C mostly because I question sometimes whether we even have a S&C program. Under JTIII we consistently had kids out of shape, kids not taking care of their bodies properly, kids failing to get stronger. It's clearly not something that was emphasized enough by the former regime, and it'd be nice to see some evidence of it being emphasized by the current regime.
And as some said previously, it's a nice way to show off the brand new facility we just built.
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Post by sweetness on Aug 5, 2017 9:00:25 GMT -5
Completely agree. And it's not even about guys putting on a ton of muscle. We've had guys who clearly put on bad weight and have appeared out of shape. Hopefully that is changing.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 16, 2017 22:09:15 GMT -5
www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2017/08/16/inside-xavier-basketballs-summer-workouts/549438001/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitterChris Mack is nowhere in sight. In fact, Xavier's actual head coach is out of town on a recruiting trip, but it's just as well this because isn't his time of year anyway.
It's the morning of July 26, which means it's Matt Jennings' time of year, his time to make his mark on Xavier basketball for the season to come.
Burton, who will make periodic appearances while Xavier's in-season this fall and winter, is here as part a six-week summer program masterminded by Jennings.
The program is built around the players' summer studies. It's a rigorous, regimented, five-days-a-week haul of non-stop movement throughout the day.
It includes the requisite and expected time lifting weights in Xavier's strength and conditioning facility under Jennings' tutelage, but that's just the beginning.
Burton, along with no fewer than six other third-party contractors from all around Greater Cincinnati, make up Xavier's offseason program.
And what the offseason program is, as one of the contractors described it to The Enquirer, is one of the more unique programs of its kind in all of college basketball.
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 24, 2017 13:30:15 GMT -5
Hill has been with the Georgetown Athletic Department since 2004, and works specifically with the men’s basketball team while overseeing the development for all 29 intercollegiate athletic teams.
“We’re very proud of Mike and this is a tremendous distinction for him,” Georgetown directior of Intercollegiate Athletics Lee Reed said. “Coach Hill has instituted a strength program built with a foundation that focuses on hard work and discipline, but it is his holistic approach and care for the student that makes him distinct and effective in his work with our teams.”
In 2014, Hill was named one of the top four collegiate strength & conditioning coaches in the country by the National Strength & Conditioning Association.
It's crazy to me that a coach with these credentials works for Gtown's basketball program but it's not promoted by that program..
So the school spent 60 million on a training facility & has a S&C who was voted one of the top 4 in the country but it's never emphasized?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 24, 2017 14:25:38 GMT -5
Hill has been with the Georgetown Athletic Department since 2004, and works specifically with the men’s basketball team while overseeing the development for all 29 intercollegiate athletic teams.
“We’re very proud of Mike and this is a tremendous distinction for him,” Georgetown directior of Intercollegiate Athletics Lee Reed said. “Coach Hill has instituted a strength program built with a foundation that focuses on hard work and discipline, but it is his holistic approach and care for the student that makes him distinct and effective in his work with our teams.”
In 2014, Hill was named one of the top four collegiate strength & conditioning coaches in the country by the National Strength & Conditioning Association.It's crazy to me that a coach with these credentials works for Gtown's basketball program but it's not promoted by that program.. So the school spent 60 million on a training facility & has a S&C who was voted one of the top 4 in the country but it's never emphasized? I'm sure it's emphasized to those that need to know....the prospects!
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 24, 2017 15:00:15 GMT -5
Hill has been with the Georgetown Athletic Department since 2004, and works specifically with the men’s basketball team while overseeing the development for all 29 intercollegiate athletic teams.
“We’re very proud of Mike and this is a tremendous distinction for him,” Georgetown directior of Intercollegiate Athletics Lee Reed said. “Coach Hill has instituted a strength program built with a foundation that focuses on hard work and discipline, but it is his holistic approach and care for the student that makes him distinct and effective in his work with our teams.”
In 2014, Hill was named one of the top four collegiate strength & conditioning coaches in the country by the National Strength & Conditioning Association.It's crazy to me that a coach with these credentials works for Gtown's basketball program but it's not promoted by that program.. So the school spent 60 million on a training facility & has a S&C who was voted one of the top 4 in the country but it's never emphasized? I'm sure it's emphasized to those that need to know....the prospects! Why doesn't everyone get to know? Why the secrecy? This is a big part of programs now, read the article on the 1st page of this thread.. Have you ever read a quote from a prospect about him or even say they met him?
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Post by hoopsmccan on Sept 24, 2017 16:29:05 GMT -5
I'm sure it's emphasized to those that need to know....the prospects! Why doesn't everyone get to know? Why the secrecy? This is a big part of programs now, read the article on the 1st page of this thread.. Have you ever read a quote from a prospect about him or even say they met him? Do you ever stop Editeding whining? hm
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