EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 18, 2017 9:45:35 GMT -5
Its good to see a Hoya actually using the new facilities..
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Post by McBricks on Jul 18, 2017 12:53:10 GMT -5
Kudos to Tulane. This is an awesome idea and frankly, one that Georgetown should borrow. But if we are truly being honest, I'm not sure whether Georgetown actually wants (or cares for) fans' feedback on the program, its marketing, etc. Here's some further background on Tulane's program. It would truly be a new regime if Georgetown actually did something like this. Not sure I see it ever happening though. The continued mission of the Fan Advisory Committee is to engage Tulane Athletics with Green Wave fans while providing a forum for dialogue and for formal feedback. Topics generally covered in the meetings, but not limited to, include: branding, ticket pricing, donation levels and benefits, game day experience, connecting with target markets, amongst other subjects surrounding Tulane Athletics. The committee will comprise up to 25 people, including students, alums, season ticket holders, donors, faculty & staff and members of the local community. The appointment with the committee will last one year and will meet quarterly. This would be a good model to re-purpose the Hoya Hoop Club's board. They've tried to make progress in two relevant areas to this point in the past few years: (1) getting a few out-of-towners on as advisory type board members; (2) trying to make sure if you get on the board, you actually do something productive. Have they actually made any progress? Eh, I'm not really sure, especially on #2. But the thought is there, and it wouldn't be THAT hard to flip it into something operational, because goodness knows plenty of alums with ideas would jump at the chance to be involved with something fairly low-effort, high-impact like that. I should also say--both Steve Alleva and Chris Grosse generally do share a decent amount of information during board meetings about upcoming ticket sales, promotions, events, etc. though when I was in charge of the Hoop Club's Twitter account, it was a little challenging to share as much as I'd have liked. This was mostly because the Hoop Club gradually cut back on the number of board meetings over the years, so by last season I'm not sure if they met between October and the end of the season. So you'd hear in October a lot of sketched out plans with placeholders, and it's hard to tweet, "Well, they're going to do a donor reception, but they're deciding between one of four home games and..."--and this is if they hadn't told us not to spread any news yet because things were still too preliminary/secret. Then by the time you'd meet again, it's already February and the stuff's already happened. If you went to a Fan Advisory Committee model that meets virtually, you could do meetings once a month from about September/October to March and maybe once over the summer. On a similar note, I got an email about Hoya Kids Club Memberships. I replied saying that it's a fine idea, but that virtually none of the benefits can be utilized by my kids because I live in California. I offered suggestions on what could be done and that I'd be willing to help. I also mentioned that I feel the same way about the Hoop Club. I live in California. I, unlike most alums, travel to at least one game each year. It's expensive and isn't easy, but I do it every year. But the "benefits" of being a Hoop Club member don't track to my needs. Georgetown needs to be doing everything they can to extend the fanbase, especially during this upcoming season with very low expectations. They can't just assume that fans will show up and support. The fan base has better things to do and if Georgetown doesn't make the effort, why should we?
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HoyaPride
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Post by HoyaPride on Jul 19, 2017 10:42:51 GMT -5
Agree with McBricks and although I live in CT. and attend several road games, it would be nice if the hoop club could make that one or two game trip from out of town boosters more "valuable" with better seats, pre/post game events comped, extra tour of the JT center, autographs for kids, etc. Hard to get more people to donate when the packages are the same.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jul 20, 2017 19:58:10 GMT -5
This would be a good model to re-purpose the Hoya Hoop Club's board. They've tried to make progress in two relevant areas to this point in the past few years: (1) getting a few out-of-towners on as advisory type board members; (2) trying to make sure if you get on the board, you actually do something productive. Have they actually made any progress? Eh, I'm not really sure, especially on #2. But the thought is there, and it wouldn't be THAT hard to flip it into something operational, because goodness knows plenty of alums with ideas would jump at the chance to be involved with something fairly low-effort, high-impact like that. I should also say--both Steve Alleva and Chris Grosse generally do share a decent amount of information during board meetings about upcoming ticket sales, promotions, events, etc. though when I was in charge of the Hoop Club's Twitter account, it was a little challenging to share as much as I'd have liked. This was mostly because the Hoop Club gradually cut back on the number of board meetings over the years, so by last season I'm not sure if they met between October and the end of the season. So you'd hear in October a lot of sketched out plans with placeholders, and it's hard to tweet, "Well, they're going to do a donor reception, but they're deciding between one of four home games and..."--and this is if they hadn't told us not to spread any news yet because things were still too preliminary/secret. Then by the time you'd meet again, it's already February and the stuff's already happened. If you went to a Fan Advisory Committee model that meets virtually, you could do meetings once a month from about September/October to March and maybe once over the summer. My operating assumption is and has been that the Hoya Hoop Club's fecklessness is a choice. Pops did not want to allow for the possibility of a competing power center, and the administration is wary of the potential for empowered rogue boosters, given high-profile cases elsewhere and general institutional discomfort with the morally dubious world of big-time athletics. It's possible that Ewing thinks differently, wants to have an engaged and empowered booster base, and has the sway/honeymoon allowance to pull the administration in that direction. But it would be a departure from what is, at this point, decades of standard practice. I don't think that Hoyas Unlimited or any other part of McDonough is organized and staffed to support such a thing, even if they wanted to. Were such a direction chosen, it would take quite awhile for those kinds of muscle movements to become familiar and comfortable, unless they brought in experienced outsiders, which seems highly unlikely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 15:46:39 GMT -5
My operating assumption is and has been that the Hoya Hoop Club's fecklessness is a choice. Pops did not want to allow for the possibility of a competing power center, and the administration is wary of the potential for empowered rogue boosters, given high-profile cases elsewhere and general institutional discomfort with the morally dubious world of big-time athletics. It's possible that Ewing thinks differently, wants to have an engaged and empowered booster base, and has the sway/honeymoon allowance to pull the administration in that direction. But it would be a departure from what is, at this point, decades of standard practice. I don't think that Hoyas Unlimited or any other part of McDonough is organized and staffed to support such a thing, even if they wanted to. Were such a direction chosen, it would take quite awhile for those kinds of muscle movements to become familiar and comfortable, unless they brought in experienced outsiders, which seems highly unlikely. I don't think the Hoop Club was ever a "power center", but it actually had more autonomy 10+ years ago. Back then, the Hoop Club got a budget to work with (based in part on the premise - perhaps misguided - that since they "raised" the money, they earned the right to spend it). The HHC could plan and pay for events, road trips, and even giveaways without a ton of oversight from the athletic department. Everything had to be approved, of course - but most of the ideas and planning started within the Hoop Club board. When Bernard Muir came on as AD, he installed a model of absorbing all of the money into the larger athletic department pool of funds and centralizing control: the Hoop Club's discretion to spend pretty much disappeared and its role was more to support the events etc. that were scheduled by the athletic department.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on Jul 25, 2017 15:52:32 GMT -5
I long wondered if Muir did anything while he was at Georgetown except look for his next job and take notes on which coaches to poach down the road. Looks like it was even worse than that ^^
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 7:25:21 GMT -5
I long wondered if Muir did anything while he was at Georgetown except look for his next job and take notes on which coaches to poach down the road. Looks like it was even worse than that ^^ I don't think it was a wrong decision, or a bad one. The old model basically meant that $1M+ in athletic department revenue (and that's really what HHC donations are) was controlled by a group of volunteers. While they spent it on things that the athletic dept would have spent it on anyway (giveaways, road trips, member events, etc), I don't blame Muir for thinking that the athletic dept should hold the pursestrings.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jul 28, 2017 7:29:19 GMT -5
I long wondered if Muir did anything while he was at Georgetown except look for his next job and take notes on which coaches to poach down the road. Looks like it was even worse than that ^^ I don't think it was a wrong decision, or a bad one. The old model basically meant that $1M+ in athletic department revenue (and that's really what HHC donations are) was controlled by a group of volunteers. While they spent it on things that the athletic dept would have spent it on anyway (giveaways, road trips, member events, etc), I don't blame Muir for thinking that the athletic dept should hold the pursestrings. The money was not "held" by volunteers but alumni had a seat at the table, something Muir was less comfortable with than his predecessors. The relative decline of the Hoop Club over the last decade was certainly not helped by Muir's approach.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 9:24:36 GMT -5
I don't think it was a wrong decision, or a bad one. The old model basically meant that $1M+ in athletic department revenue (and that's really what HHC donations are) was controlled by a group of volunteers. While they spent it on things that the athletic dept would have spent it on anyway (giveaways, road trips, member events, etc), I don't blame Muir for thinking that the athletic dept should hold the pursestrings. The money was not "held" by volunteers but alumni had a seat at the table, something Muir was less comfortable with than his predecessors. The relative decline of the Hoop Club over the last decade was certainly not helped by Muir's approach. That's a fair assessment.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 3, 2017 15:29:19 GMT -5
Back to the thread topic for my friend EtomicB.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 3, 2017 20:53:36 GMT -5
Back to the thread topic for my friend EtomicB. Sighhh... @coachgeckler's twitter feed is exactly what I'd like to see from someone on the men's staff..
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Post by seaweed on Aug 3, 2017 21:41:04 GMT -5
Back to the thread topic for my friend EtomicB. Sighhh... @coachgeckler's twitter feed is exactly what I'd like to see from someone on the men's staff.. You want our coaches to tweet more? I just want strong players and i don't care one bit if i ever hear who got them that way
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 3, 2017 22:07:19 GMT -5
Sighhh... @coachgeckler's twitter feed is exactly what I'd like to see from someone on the men's staff.. You want our coaches to tweet more? I just want strong players and i don't care one bit if i ever hear who got them that way I want them to promote the positives in the program.. Gtown just spent 60 million on a world class training facility, show it off.. Since when has conditioning ever been a strength of the Gtown program? The fact is Gtown has been lacking in this area for awhile so maybe you should care who's running that part of the program..
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Post by the_way on Aug 4, 2017 7:14:28 GMT -5
Yeah, eh... just win. Don't really care if they tweet or not.
Winning cures all.
The problem was fired a few months ago.
Ewing is working hard trying to right the ship. It is a lot on his plate right now. Rather him focus on what is most important in building the program. Don't really need every detail of what they are doing or how they are doing it. That will show on game day in the next few seasons.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 4, 2017 8:04:23 GMT -5
Yeah, eh... just win. Don't really care if they tweet or not. Winning cures all. The problem was fired a few months ago. I disagree. The coach who had Georgetown at the top of the Big East in 2013 and a #5 national ranking was not the problem. It's bigger than that, and is not well served by the current "Back To The Future" approach. Scheduling the likes of St. Leo and Southern New England isn't going to fix the problem, either.
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Post by TC on Aug 4, 2017 8:29:39 GMT -5
Yeah, eh... just win. Don't really care if they tweet or not. Winning cures all. We're ducking Michigan State currently so how about we tweet more?
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the_way
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Post by the_way on Aug 4, 2017 8:34:28 GMT -5
Yeah, eh... just win. Don't really care if they tweet or not. Winning cures all. The problem was fired a few months ago. I disagree. The coach who had Georgetown at the top of the Big East in 2013 and a #5 national ranking was not the problem. It's bigger than that, and is not well served by the current "Back To The Future" approach. Scheduling the likes of St. Leo and Southern New England isn't going to fix the problem, either. In 2013 he was doing okay, but there were problems even back around that time. However, in 2016 and 2017 the problem reared its ugly head with no fix in site. He was removed. As far as "back to the future" with scheduling, it is not a foregone conclusion. We don't know the schedule, correct?
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 4, 2017 8:54:08 GMT -5
In 2013 he was doing okay, but there were problems even back around that time. However, in 2016 and 2017 the problem reared its ugly head with no fix in site. He was removed. There'an old adage in business (and in coaching) that you don't get rid of a CEO until you have a plan for his replacement. The missteps of the recent search committee stand in sharp contrast to the focus and acumen of Frank Rienzo and Jim Higgins in 2004.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 4, 2017 9:40:26 GMT -5
I disagree. The coach who had Georgetown at the top of the Big East in 2013 and a #5 national ranking was not the problem. It's bigger than that, and is not well served by the current "Back To The Future" approach. Scheduling the likes of St. Leo and Southern New England isn't going to fix the problem, either. In 2013 he was doing okay, but there were problems even back around that time. However, in 2016 and 2017 the problem reared its ugly head with no fix in site. He was removed. As far as "back to the future" with scheduling, it is not a foregone conclusion. We don't know the schedule, correct? You're contradicting yourself here, in a previous post you told us that "winning cures all" but now you're saying even when JT3 was winning there were issues.. You can't have it both ways(no pun intended) I don't care about tweeting either but I do care about the program promoting itself properly... Social media, Twitter especially is an easy way to promote.. I also don't expect or want PE to be the person doing the posting, the fact is he has a staff under him he can delegate duties to.. Another fact is that PE/Gtown has an award winning marketing department at their disposal, take advantage of it.. To stay on thread topic performance coaches are huge in CBB these days, you can downplay its importance if you want to but the truth is most programs are making it a priority..
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Post by the_way on Aug 4, 2017 10:05:23 GMT -5
In 2013 he was doing okay, but there were problems even back around that time. However, in 2016 and 2017 the problem reared its ugly head with no fix in site. He was removed. As far as "back to the future" with scheduling, it is not a foregone conclusion. We don't know the schedule, correct? You're contradicting yourself here, in a previous post you told us that "winning cures all" but now you're saying even when JT3 was winning there were issues.. You can't have it both ways(no pun intended) I don't care about tweeting either but I do care about the program promoting itself properly... Social media, Twitter especially is an easy way to promote.. I also don't expect or want PE to be the person doing the posting, the fact is he has a staff under him he can delegate duties to.. Another fact is that PE/Gtown has an award winning marketing department at their disposal, take advantage of it.. To stay on thread topic performance coaches are huge in CBB these days, you can downplay its importance if you want to but the truth is most programs are making it a priority.. No contradiction at all. Nice try. III still had job in 2013. He won. He doesn't have job now because he lost, 2 losing seasons in a row. Doesn't mean he didn't have flaws back in 2013. Early round exit in the tournament to a lower seed. Which was a recurring problem for him. Not enough to remove or fire him. Let's not forget the spotty recruiting 2013-2017 that helped aid his demise as well. But yes, strength coaches... How do you know Ewing isn't making it a priority? Just because we aren't tweeting about it!? It is still early in the regime. The staff might start tweeting to your liking. You never know.
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