Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 3, 2017 13:53:32 GMT -5
I have been thinking Zo and Pat have been close, so it seems that Trey stays and plays more.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 3, 2017 13:54:38 GMT -5
From the limimted sample size of the prior season, I have no idea why Mourning was basically not allowed on the court last year. Obviously we all have out opinions, and none are based on much actual game action, unfortunately. But he is pretty good fundementally with the ball, and on our sorry team, should've gotten some chances. Will be real interesting to see what happens under Coach Ewing. Given that he barely played in 2017, we really only know what he did in 2016, which was: turn the ball over at a very high rate (27.8%), foul a TON (9.9 fouls per 40 minutes of playing time), and made a decent amount of 2's in an extremely small sample size. The small sample size makes all of his stats hard to judge, but I am not seeing somebody who is pretty good fundamentally with the ball. And aside from a great first weekend of Kenner, his results there weren't all that excellent, either. We basically haven't seen him for 2 years, aside from Kenner. If he returns could he be better than that? Maybe. And if he returns, I hope he's great - we need every bit of performance we can get. But I wouldn't get my hopes up, and I am not convinced Mourning is better than Walker.
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beenaround
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Post by beenaround on May 3, 2017 14:49:50 GMT -5
Saxa2003, the stats may say otherwise, but to my eyes, Mourning looks to be a very good passer, especially for a guy his size...much better than Govan, Marcus or Hayes. You acknowledge he seems to have a decent midrange shot. But again, its pretty much speculation...which is all we have at this time of year.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 3, 2017 15:31:32 GMT -5
Saxa2003, the stats may say otherwise, but to my eyes, Mourning looks to be a very good passer, especially for a guy his size...much better than Govan, Marcus or Hayes. You acknowledge he seems to have a decent midrange shot. But again, its pretty much speculation...which is all we have at this time of year. He might and passing is something our team has not excelled at up to now. Regardless of stats, I think there's playing time for the taking unless we land surprising graduate transfer or 2017 recruits. Of course, this is all irrelevant if Mourning transfers anyway!
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 3, 2017 21:26:14 GMT -5
I'm sorry to hear that Akoy is leaving. He seems like a really solid guy and I loved his effort. I wish him good health and good luck.
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Post by bigelephant on May 4, 2017 9:49:31 GMT -5
It hurts. Good ball player and he will be missed!
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Post by drquigley on May 4, 2017 10:22:17 GMT -5
Hey, I don't want to seem alarmist but I see Akoy leaving as a big deal. We really need someone to crash the boards and play defense in the paint. With Akaoy gone who will that be? Granted Akoy is no Delgado but Hayes is gone and Govan is a notoriously bad rebounder and defender. Don't see Tre filling that role and MD has always seemed unable to fill it without committing fouls. So why does the Board seem pretty much unconcerned?
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 10:37:27 GMT -5
Hey, I don't want to seem alarmist but I see Akoy leaving as a big deal. We really need someone to crash the boards and play defense in the paint. With Akaoy gone who will that be? Granted Akoy is no Delgado but Hayes is gone and Govan is a notoriously bad rebounder and defender. Don't see Tre filling that role and MD has always seemed unable to fill it without committing fouls. So why does the Board seem pretty much unconcerned? I think there's just about the right amount of angst here. Lots of people think he provides certain qualities that we'll miss -- namely big man defense/rebounding/hustle/depth. But conversely - he's just not that great. If he were, he'd be starting. Jessie and Marcus may have higher upsides (potentially) but they haven't exactly been Ewing and Othella out there. By all accounts he's a good kid and nice depth guy to have on a roster. You expect a .500 team to get worked up about losing that?
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Post by NCHoya on May 4, 2017 10:47:08 GMT -5
Hey, I don't want to seem alarmist but I see Akoy leaving as a big deal. We really need someone to crash the boards and play defense in the paint. With Akaoy gone who will that be? Granted Akoy is no Delgado but Hayes is gone and Govan is a notoriously bad rebounder and defender. Don't see Tre filling that role and MD has always seemed unable to fill it without committing fouls. So why does the Board seem pretty much unconcerned? From reading the comments on the board, it feels like many folks, including me, see next season as a rebuilding year with low expectations. I am not happy Agau left at all, but next season is not much better or worse with or without him. I am hoping Ewing can impart some wisdom on Govan that will improve his rebounding and defense. Same with MD. Meanwhile, I am waiting to see how the recruiting and transfer market settles out. This roster is not set yet for next season, and even when it is set, I am not expecting miracles. 2017/2018's theme for me - give the young guys a lot of playing time and development.
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Post by iowa80 on May 4, 2017 13:35:28 GMT -5
Hey, I don't want to seem alarmist but I see Akoy leaving as a big deal. We really need someone to crash the boards and play defense in the paint. With Akaoy gone who will that be? Granted Akoy is no Delgado but Hayes is gone and Govan is a notoriously bad rebounder and defender. Don't see Tre filling that role and MD has always seemed unable to fill it without committing fouls. So why does the Board seem pretty much unconcerned? I think there's just about the right amount of angst here. Lots of people think he provides certain qualities that we'll miss -- namely big man defense/rebounding/hustle/depth. But conversely - he's just not that great. If he were, he'd be starting. Jessie and Marcus may have higher upsides (potentially) but they haven't exactly been Ewing and Othella out there. By all accounts he's a good kid and nice depth guy to have on a roster. You expect a .500 team to get worked up about losing that? He'd be more than a depth guy on this roster, as it's presently constructed. No, he's not a consistent double/double waiting to happen, but I'd expect another year of experience to make him a more than serviceable rebounding and D big man--in other words what the team lacks (among other things). Regardless of expectations, I don't want another year of weak rebounding and teams killing us in the paint.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 14:10:44 GMT -5
I think there's just about the right amount of angst here. Lots of people think he provides certain qualities that we'll miss -- namely big man defense/rebounding/hustle/depth. But conversely - he's just not that great. If he were, he'd be starting. Jessie and Marcus may have higher upsides (potentially) but they haven't exactly been Ewing and Othella out there. By all accounts he's a good kid and nice depth guy to have on a roster. You expect a .500 team to get worked up about losing that? He'd be more than a depth guy on this roster, as it's presently constructed. No, he's not a consistent double/double waiting to happen, but I'd expect another year of experience to make him a more than serviceable rebounding and D big man--in other words what the team lacks (among other things). Regardless of expectations, I don't want another year of weak rebounding and teams killing us in the paint. We don't have a BE-level PG, a SG who can shoot (or one who has ever started as a SG), or ANY scoring wing on the roster. We have bigger concerns than a backup 4/5. And to rehash from much earlier posts -- our interior defense this year wasn't actually that bad. 1st in BE in 2FG%, 2nd in eFG% & Block %, and 4th in OffReb%. I like Akoy. He certainly would have played a bunch if he stayed. But let's find a 1-3 before we consider how losing a non-starter would affect a team that's not currently expected to contend.
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Post by whatrocks33 on May 4, 2017 14:21:08 GMT -5
Doesn't seem like it's entirely his decision. Not sure what to make of it, hope to get more info from him soon.
I think we'll miss his rebounding and intensity. It will be tough with our roster makeup just to replace his minutes. Best of luck to him going forward, he feels like this is the best decision for him so hopefully it is.
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Post by iowa80 on May 4, 2017 14:35:32 GMT -5
He'd be more than a depth guy on this roster, as it's presently constructed. No, he's not a consistent double/double waiting to happen, but I'd expect another year of experience to make him a more than serviceable rebounding and D big man--in other words what the team lacks (among other things). Regardless of expectations, I don't want another year of weak rebounding and teams killing us in the paint. We don't have a BE-level PG, a SG who can shoot (or one who has ever started as a SG), or ANY scoring wing on the roster. We have bigger concerns than a backup 4/5. And to rehash from much earlier posts -- our interior defense this year wasn't actually that bad. 1st in BE in 2FG%, 2nd in eFG% & Block %, and 4th in OffReb%. I like Akoy. He certainly would have played a bunch if he stayed. But let's find a 1-3 before we consider how losing a non-starter would affect a team that's not currently expected to contend. Fine (although some of the stats don't specifically go to interior D). But I don't believe that the fact that we are weak in other areas excuses becoming even weaker in big man depth. And calling Akoy a backup overlooks the fact that, at worst, he's our first big man off the bench behind two players who haven't really put it together and show signs of being challenged defensively. It also robs us of the ability to "go big" with Marcus at the 3. Is he a season changer? No. But he had a role on the team that I don't see being filled at present. r
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 14:52:54 GMT -5
We don't have a BE-level PG, a SG who can shoot (or one who has ever started as a SG), or ANY scoring wing on the roster. We have bigger concerns than a backup 4/5. And to rehash from much earlier posts -- our interior defense this year wasn't actually that bad. 1st in BE in 2FG%, 2nd in eFG% & Block %, and 4th in OffReb%. I like Akoy. He certainly would have played a bunch if he stayed. But let's find a 1-3 before we consider how losing a non-starter would affect a team that's not currently expected to contend. Fine (although some of the stats don't specifically go to interior D). But I don't believe that the fact that we are weak in other areas excuses becoming even weaker in big man depth. And calling Akoy a backup overlooks the fact that, at worst, he's our first big man off the bench behind two players who haven't really put it together and show signs of being challenged defensively. It also robs us of the ability to "go big" with Marcus at the 3. Is he a season changer? No. But he had a role on the team that I don't see being filled at present. r It would probably make us worse inside - I don't disagree. But I also don't find too much concern in it (which is what drquigley was wondering about). Maybe we go from a 6 win team in conference to a 5 win team -- or something like that? Who knows. A bad team becoming marginally worse doesn't really interest me. We're in early stages of a project here, and there are very few likely scenarios for this season where losing an OK big man is going to come back to bite us.
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Post by Elvado on May 4, 2017 15:12:12 GMT -5
All of this hand wringing over the loss of this player (wonderful human being that he may be) shows exactly the scope of the job Patrick has on his hands here.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on May 4, 2017 15:12:46 GMT -5
Fine (although some of the stats don't specifically go to interior D). But I don't believe that the fact that we are weak in other areas excuses becoming even weaker in big man depth. And calling Akoy a backup overlooks the fact that, at worst, he's our first big man off the bench behind two players who haven't really put it together and show signs of being challenged defensively. It also robs us of the ability to "go big" with Marcus at the 3. Is he a season changer? No. But he had a role on the team that I don't see being filled at present. I cannot imagine us going "big" with Derrickson at the 3. He cannot defend 4's and he's going to defend a 3? Granted, our personnel at the G/F spots is pretty thin, so I won't say it's impossible, but a team with Marcus Derrickson playing the three is most likely a really bad one.
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Post by iowa80 on May 4, 2017 15:35:06 GMT -5
Fine (although some of the stats don't specifically go to interior D). But I don't believe that the fact that we are weak in other areas excuses becoming even weaker in big man depth. And calling Akoy a backup overlooks the fact that, at worst, he's our first big man off the bench behind two players who haven't really put it together and show signs of being challenged defensively. It also robs us of the ability to "go big" with Marcus at the 3. Is he a season changer? No. But he had a role on the team that I don't see being filled at present. I cannot imagine us going "big" with Derrickson at the 3. He cannot defend 4's and he's going to defend a 3? Granted, our personnel at the G/F spots is pretty thin, so I won't say it's impossible, but a team with Marcus Derrickson playing the three is most likely a really bad one. Sure, but it's all about flexibility isn't it? There may have been a time and a place for Marcus--who (unfortunately?) seems to prefer the perimeter--to play with Agau and Govan. I can't remember if they were ever on the court together last year.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 4, 2017 16:13:31 GMT -5
Hey, I don't want to seem alarmist but I see Akoy leaving as a big deal. We really need someone to crash the boards and play defense in the paint. With Akaoy gone who will that be? Granted Akoy is no Delgado but Hayes is gone and Govan is a notoriously bad rebounder and defender. Don't see Tre filling that role and MD has always seemed unable to fill it without committing fouls. So why does the Board seem pretty much unconcerned? This also ignores that they'll have an entire off season of working out with Ewing a hall of fame center who has done a great job developing bigs at the NBA level. Perhaps Marcus and Jessie might improve a bit under his tutelage.
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Post by whatrocks33 on May 4, 2017 16:37:48 GMT -5
This also ignores that they'll have an entire off season of working out with Ewing a hall of fame center who has done a great job developing bigs at the NBA level. Perhaps Marcus and Jessie might improve a bit under his tutelage. Per NCAA rules, we have 30 practice days prior to the first game (over 42 calendar days), which is not exactly a full off season. Akoy is a kid who would have helped us compete next season, of course we'll miss him.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on May 4, 2017 18:12:12 GMT -5
This also ignores that they'll have an entire off season of working out with Ewing a hall of fame center who has done a great job developing bigs at the NBA level. Perhaps Marcus and Jessie might improve a bit under his tutelage. Per NCAA rules, we have 30 practice days prior to the first game (over 42 calendar days), which is not exactly a full off season. Akoy is a kid who would have helped us compete next season, of course we'll miss him. Yeah but the coach can tell the kids what to work on and have non coaches run them through stuff. Sure it's "voluntary" but kids should be working on their games all summer ultimately under Ewing's guidance. Not knocking the loss of Agau. I think we'll miss him plenty. Just saying Marcus and Jessie can't rebound and defend is lazy not completely accurate, and likely will be even less true next year. Govan had a 19.3% defensive rebounding rate which was 274th nationally based on his minutes. He does fine on the boards. Defense for both can improve. Just saying they'll have a great opportunity to improve in those areas so I wouldn't write them off just yet.
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