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Post by SSHoya on Apr 5, 2017 16:45:19 GMT -5
Patrick interviewed on PTI with Isola and Wilbon. 5 Good Minutes.
Georgetown his alma mater is what changed his course from the NBA to GU. Says offensive style similar to Charlotte uptempo, 3 point shot, post if we can post, and pick and roll. Wilbon asks about recruiting and asks about adding that duty as coach. Not that difficult, sell self, sell program, sell the University. Work is work -- 12 month process in both NBA and college. Talks about offseason work and make sure things are getting done. I will surround myself with assistants who can go out and recruit, find guys that can get the job done. Wilbon says GU basketball is Thompson and Ewing. Ewing says he is being educated by Thompson, has been great, College Basketball 101. Will always get advice from Thompson, from uniform to sneakers, to players. Wilbon asks about the "punches" the program took during the hiring process and Ewing says you have to give JT III credit, unfortunate two down years. Get quality guys to elevate the program to where it once was. No great news but says to Isola and Wilbon, make sure you come out and support us. Isola asked no questions.
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 5, 2017 16:50:17 GMT -5
Derrickson can play inside at the 4 or bring his man out side and play stretch 4 because of his range. Govan can do the same at the 5 with his proven offensive versitility.
They will be pushed and pushed hard to be as good on the other side of the floor as well. They should love the new style of play.
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 5, 2017 17:27:52 GMT -5
""He’s one of the best big men in NBA history," the Hoyas’ Jessie Govan, a sophomore center with NBA aspirations, said of Ewing. "He’s a Hall of Famer. He’s got a lot of knowledge of the game. He’s won, so I’m excited to pick his brain and excited to see what he can teach me."
Doesn't sound like Jessie is going anywhere.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 5, 2017 17:34:12 GMT -5
Marcus and Jessie are "legit Big East starters". Of course they need a lot of work on the defensive end. But trying to claim we have no one currently good enough to start in the conference is greatly exaggerated. Ok - which other teams in our conference would Marcus have started on? A couple, maybe - and not the teams we want to be competing against. Again, I'm saying he's got talent and I hope he turns it on - not trying to knock the guy. He's just not there yet. Marcus, Jesse and Jagan are all legit Big East starters. Problem is, we don't have a number one scorer, we don't have a point guard, we don't have shooting or depth. But we absolutely do have three legit big east starters
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Post by beenaround on Apr 5, 2017 17:45:29 GMT -5
Agree Marcus and Jesse are legit starters..which is different than Big East All Stars. I like Jagan, but at this point he is very much a tweener...not nearly good enough shooter for the 2 and not really enough of a creator to be a true pg. Seems better suited as a third guard to me..in a perfect world, of course.
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Post by sleepy on Apr 5, 2017 17:46:23 GMT -5
""He’s one of the best big men in NBA history," the Hoyas’ Jessie Govan, a sophomore center with NBA aspirations, said of Ewing. "He’s a Hall of Famer. He’s got a lot of knowledge of the game. He’s won, so I’m excited to pick his brain and excited to see what he can teach me." Doesn't sound like Jessie is going anywhere. Link?
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Post by hoyacane11 on Apr 5, 2017 18:06:24 GMT -5
""He’s one of the best big men in NBA history," the Hoyas’ Jessie Govan, a sophomore center with NBA aspirations, said of Ewing. "He’s a Hall of Famer. He’s got a lot of knowledge of the game. He’s won, so I’m excited to pick his brain and excited to see what he can teach me." Doesn't sound like Jessie is going anywhere. Would have been mighty foolish of him to leave.
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Apr 5, 2017 18:12:51 GMT -5
Ok - which other teams in our conference would Marcus have started on? A couple, maybe - and not the teams we want to be competing against. Again, I'm saying he's got talent and I hope he turns it on - not trying to knock the guy. He's just not there yet. Marcus, Jesse and Jagan are all legit Big East starters. Problem is, we don't have a number one scorer, we don't have a point guard, we don't have shooting or depth. But we absolutely do have three legit big east starters We didn't have a PG, and we didn't have depth - I'll grant you those. Despite not having depth (meaning they all played 20 or more minutes), however, these 3 starters (I'll throw JM in there, as he often played starter's minutes), averaged 22 points between them. And none played good defense. And, with two great players in Peak and Pryor, we went 14-18. Were Peak and Pryor the issue?
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2017 18:22:29 GMT -5
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 5, 2017 18:23:55 GMT -5
Marcus, Jesse and Jagan are all legit Big East starters. Problem is, we don't have a number one scorer, we don't have a point guard, we don't have shooting or depth. But we absolutely do have three legit big east starters We didn't have a PG, and we didn't have depth - I'll grant you those. Despite not having depth (meaning they all played 20 or more minutes), however, these 3 starters (I'll throw JM in there, as he often played starter's minutes), averaged 22 points between them. And none played good defense. And, with two great players in Peak and Pryor, we went 14-18. Were Peak and Pryor the issue? No, the issue is we didn't have a point guard, we didn't have shooting and we didn't have depth. Neither Peak, nor Pryor were great players. L.J. was a good player, maybe even very good had we had a good point guard. Rodney was simply ok. He scored a lot and took a lot of shots. That's about the only thing he did. If we had Tremont on this team, we easily win five more games and make the NCAA Tournament. That's how much we missed a good point guard. As for the three I mentioned, they are big east starters because of their talent level.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 5, 2017 18:25:41 GMT -5
Ok - which other teams in our conference would Marcus have started on? A couple, maybe - and not the teams we want to be competing against. Again, I'm saying he's got talent and I hope he turns it on - not trying to knock the guy. He's just not there yet. Hey I'm not saying they have played at All-conference level, even honorable mention. And they might not start at the top level teams. They have talent to start for most teams in the conference - IF they play to that level. Certainly agree they have a lot to work on. Jesse would have started on every team in the BE. Marcus would have been in the rotation of every team and started on all but Nova, X, or SH......
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2017 18:26:46 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2017 18:27:51 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 5, 2017 18:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Apr 5, 2017 18:35:38 GMT -5
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Post by cosmopolitanhoya on Apr 5, 2017 21:31:13 GMT -5
Maybe Jay Williams shouldn't be so reckless. He is just Editeded that Pat whipped him in a motorcycle race. wow thats quite a Editeded up statement to make - making fun of an accident that ruined his career and life? i do feel bad for you
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 6, 2017 1:00:22 GMT -5
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But Marcus Derrickson isn't good, especially on defense. In terms of players who could be actual good BE starter level next year, I think there's Jessie Govan IF Ewing can somehow get him to get a bit nasty. And Jagan IF he can have a big jump in shooting and finishing over the summer. And that's pretty much it. I mean, I think everyone can improve. But this team is so devoid of talent right now, or the players are so unmotivated that we never see the talent, either way ... net year is rough if people stay or leave. I agree that we haven't seen anything yet that would lead us to believe we have a legit BE starter on the team. I also think there's talent between Govan, Derrickson, and Moseley. Let's hope a different style or renewed focus makes something click. I would add Akoy to that list. My fear is that none of these guys are the type you can really build a team around. Rather, the upside is that they'd be nice "pieces" within a better squad. People are quibbling with your choice of "legit" BE starter, but semantics aside, you are right. There are some decent complementary pieces, but if Govan, Derrickson, Moseley or whomever are your top players, you're not a very good team unless everything comes together as a team. And even then.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 6, 2017 1:06:47 GMT -5
Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But Marcus Derrickson isn't good, especially on defense. In terms of players who could be actual good BE starter level next year, I think there's Jessie Govan IF Ewing can somehow get him to get a bit nasty. And Jagan IF he can have a big jump in shooting and finishing over the summer. And that's pretty much it. I mean, I think everyone can improve. But this team is so devoid of talent right now, or the players are so unmotivated that we never see the talent, either way ... net year is rough if people stay or leave. My guess is that Mosely, Agau, Johnson, and Mulmore are the most likely to adapt well to Pat and a renewed focus on defensive intensity. Despite a range of fairly obvious defensive issues, these players put forth high levels of energy and effort throughout the season. They also possess some of the better defensive instincts and/or skill sets. Those instincts and skills were not properly directed or developed under JT3, but Pat may have better luck. At the very least, these were the players who hit the deck for 50-50 balls most often. A new coach will appreciate it. On the flip side, players like Campbell, Govan, and Derrickson may have a harder time with the coaching change. Fair or not, I thought they were not only ineffective defensively, but also tended to show little energy and/or effort. My guess is that they probably will be faced with a decision pretty soon - either come to jesus or ride the pine. Yep. Even with a Waters recommitment, the route to any kind of respectability next year is to simply outwork everyone else. Dogged, hardcore defense, crash the boards, muck up the game, make it ugly and take the wins on the nights the shots are falling or the other team can keep up with your effort level. (Waters would give us a viable offense but everyone else needs to play that way). Basically, let's throw 5 Boubacar Aws out there and see what happens. That's the rough equivalent of a Jagan-Akoy-Mulmore-Kaleb + one other lineup. If you throw in Tremont, you might actually have the 1996-97 Victor Page Hoyas.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 6, 2017 1:13:14 GMT -5
Thanks for the write-up. Says offensive style similar to Charlotte uptempo, 3 point shot, post if we can post, and pick and roll. That's fantastic to hear. NBA system, versatile, taking what he's learned from Clifford and other coaches. Very excited to hear this. Can use Kemba in recruiting in the sense of "we're running what they are running -- do you see how they use the PG?" Nothing wrong here. I know a lot of people are upset with the process but the Ewing hire definitely avoids the downsides of a break with the Thompson legacy and the NBA alumni. There's positives to not breaking that relationship. He's also been class about JTIII; not that I expected any differently from Ewing.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 6, 2017 1:17:17 GMT -5
Derrickson can play inside at the 4 or bring his man out side and play stretch 4 because of his range. Govan can do the same at the 5 with his proven offensive versitility. They will be pushed and pushed hard to be as good on the other side of the floor as well. They should love the new style of play. They should. Govan's range, in particular, is made for an NBA offense. But Govan is soft on the court. I don't know about his off the court ethic, but I have to imagine Pat is not going to super happy watching the tape of his play over the last two years. I hope Jessie can change -- he has the most potential of any of our players. But he's the exact opposite of player Patrick in terms of temperment. MD's issue is a lack of athleticism. Perhaps more of that than I expect was injury related, but if not, his lack of hops and quickness will make it tough for him to be super effective.
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