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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 3, 2017 12:42:25 GMT -5
With all the savaging of the program both on this board and in the press regarding JT2, there is no way that PE enters this without having a clear prospective on "interference" by JT2. He will have the opportunity to establish whatever guidelines he wants in this matter before he closes the deal and to make them public if he desires. If he does not, I am very mistaken about his character and any ensuing chaos is deserved. I know Big John can be bullheaded about certain things but I can't see him sabotaging the success of his supposedly "hand picked" candidate if the parameters are clearly laid out at the start. I agree with the previous poster who sees a real difference between interfering with your son and an NBA Hall of Famer.
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Post by guru on Apr 3, 2017 12:45:03 GMT -5
With all the savaging of the program both on this board and in the press regarding JT2, there is no way that PE enters this without having a clear prospective on "interference" by JT2. He will have the opportunity to establish whatever guidelines he wants in this matter before he closes the deal and to make them public if he desires. If he does not, I am very mistaken about his character and any ensuing chaos is deserved. I know Big John can be bullheaded about certain things but I can't see him sabotaging the success of his supposedly "hand picked" candidate if the parameters are clearly laid out at the start. I agree with the previous poster who sees a real difference between interfering with your son and an NBA Hall of Famer. The issue as I see it is that Jr. doesn't see his input or any of his actions as hurting the program, certainly not as sabotage. He thinks he's helping, and there's no one to tell him otherwise. I'm afraid his hand-picked choice is not going to be the one to do so, no matter his credentials.
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Post by boxout05 on Apr 3, 2017 12:45:47 GMT -5
I don't like the Ewing move for many of the reasons that have already been mentioned, but wanted to expand upon a couple of tree things:
1.) Georgetown's History: People want a "break" from the Thompsons if JTII's influence hampers hiring the best candidate based on merit, the guy most likely to lead to success. Ending up with the program's best player, even though he has no head coach experience or no college coaching experience, doesn't allay those concerns. No one wants to throw away Georgetown's brand or history, but if we don't win then failure and ineptitude become the narrative.
2.) Racism: Ewing may have gotten the brunt of a lot of racism in the 80s, but I think the prejudice today is against a big man. PG are always thought of as field generals; they run the team while centers just stand in the middle until they can dunk or rebound. Along the same vein, does Patrick's experience translate to coaching and recruiting guards? For a while now, rule of thumb in the NCAA has been that guard play is a necessity while post play is a luxury.
3.) Budget: If we would really pay $4M, then we should have gotten a more proven commodity than Ewing (see Point #1). However, if it is Ewing, he hasn't earned $4M so I pray he makes less and the difference goes towards the best assistants money can buy. Of course Chillious is off the board, but figuring out why this process took so long leads down several other rabbit holes...
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Post by HoyaSC on Apr 3, 2017 12:47:18 GMT -5
With all the savaging of the program both on this board and in the press regarding JT2, there is no way that PE enters this without having a clear prospective on "interference" by JT2. He will have the opportunity to establish whatever guidelines he wants in this matter before he closes the deal and to make them public if he desires. If he does not, I am very mistaken about his character and any ensuing chaos is deserved. I know Big John can be bullheaded about certain things but I can't see him sabotaging the success of his supposedly "hand picked" candidate if the parameters are clearly laid out at the start. I agree with the previous poster who sees a real difference between interfering with your son and an NBA Hall of Famer. So you're saying there's a chance JT2 won't interfere with Ewing. OK, good. I'm on board, then, so long as there's a chance that won't happen. That's really all we can hope for, when it comes down to it.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 3, 2017 12:47:20 GMT -5
Two things our team has lacked in recent years are passion from the coach/inspired play from the players (with a few exceptions) and recruiting success/keeping recruits. None of us can doubt that Ewing will bring the first. At a minimum, he will sit players who aren't giving the effort no matter who they are.
As for the second, who the hell knows. Certainly not anyone on this Board. We have to give him a chance, if he is our next coach.
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Post by NCHoya on Apr 3, 2017 12:47:32 GMT -5
What is everyone in the Non-Ewing camp so scared of? He has the coaching acumen and apparently the drive. Don't think for one instance, he doesn't have ideas bottled up ready to use if he gets his own gig. Ewing will bring back that old fire that has been missing. Can he tune out JT Jr and can he recruit guards? As his son, III was in a very difficult spot dealing with JT2's meddling, but can Ewing do any better? I am hoping Ewing will insulate the program a bit from Big John, for everyone's sanity. As for recruiting, I am hoping to learn more when he announces his assistant coaches.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 3, 2017 12:50:06 GMT -5
All I am saying is that the "problem" has been clearly laid out where everyone is aware of it and if PE takes the job without making clear how he wants this handled he has only himself to blame.
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Post by 8791hoyanc on Apr 3, 2017 12:57:38 GMT -5
Anyone know what time Ewing's interview was supposed to happen? I assume that no HC announcement will be made until tomorrow, due to the finals tonight, but who knows.
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 3, 2017 12:58:42 GMT -5
Easiest money Korn Ferry ever made. All part of the kabuki theater of this "search."
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 3, 2017 12:58:47 GMT -5
What is everyone in the Non-Ewing camp so scared of? He has the coaching acumen and apparently the drive. Don't think for one instance, he doesn't have ideas bottled up ready to use if he gets his own gig. Ewing will bring back that old fire that has been missing. Can he tune out JT Jr and can he recruit guards? As his son, III was in a very difficult spot dealing with JT2's meddling, but can Ewing do any better? I am hoping Ewing will insulate the program a bit from Big John, for everyone's sanity. As for recruiting, I am hoping to learn more when he announces his assistant coaches. Ewing is a NBA HOF'er with over a decade of coaching experience. You don't become a HOF'er without drive and passion, I doubt Ewing is pushover. He will have his own ideas. What is the problem of having another HOF coach available to bounce philosophies off of. Is that a bad thing? JT3 is Big coaches son. Totally different dynamic. Ewing and JT Jr are both HOF'ers and are on the same level. The other questions addressed would be the same with any new coach.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 3, 2017 13:00:27 GMT -5
Can we ditch the bigotry talk re:Ewing? Someone literally said on here that we shouldn't hire Danny Hurley because he is white and we need to have a black coach. No one blinked an eyelash or challenged it. People bring up Ewing's lack of college experience and the fact that no one else in our position would hire him, that's bigotry? I get that people are pretty sensitive to how Ewing's treated because of the past, but I'm having a hard time seeing that being replayed here with the lists of coaches that people prefer. There have been multiple comments about his perceived intelligence, or lack there of, that have a strong racial undertone to them. The man has a degree from Georgetown University and has been a coach for 15 years. Comments like "dubious that Pat has mental acuity to run a hoops team" are extremely inappropriate. This is serious stuff. May I suggest that you call out the individual posts as close as possible to when they are made? It would help us judge them, as well as your own perspective , based on more specifics. I would request same of anyone going down this road.
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Post by seaweed on Apr 3, 2017 13:08:37 GMT -5
Easiest money Korn Ferry ever made. Don't know about that - if they are tasked with putting lipstick on what many perceive to be a hiring pig, they may just be earning their keep. Not that I agree with those who see it that way, just sayin...
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 3, 2017 13:08:46 GMT -5
www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19063479/patrick-ewing-meet-georgetown-hoyas-officials-head-coach-vacancyListen to the audio accompanying this article - Wilbon totally rips our search, and confirms some of the things Thamel said about this search being the talk of the town at the Final Four. - "If you're going to fire John Thompson III, don't you have someone in mind? ... They don't seem to have thought of that, and I'm stunned." - "I don't know what they're doing. I think they're delusional in some ways." - "If they're not careful, they're going to be DePaul. And DePaul was a place that went through this." - "You have to be really realistic about what you've got." He also said he was stunned that they fired JT3 and thought it was wrong. No I won't listen to Wilbon. He's a biased idiot.
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 3, 2017 13:12:11 GMT -5
www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/19063479/patrick-ewing-meet-georgetown-hoyas-officials-head-coach-vacancyListen to the audio accompanying this article - Wilbon totally rips our search, and confirms some of the things Thamel said about this search being the talk of the town at the Final Four. - "If you're going to fire John Thompson III, don't you have someone in mind? ... They don't seem to have thought of that, and I'm stunned." - "I don't know what they're doing. I think they're delusional in some ways." - "If they're not careful, they're going to be DePaul. And DePaul was a place that went through this." - "You have to be really realistic about what you've got." He also said he was stunned that they fired JT3 and thought it was wrong. No I won't listen to Wilbon. He's a biased idiot. Wants us to know our place like his alma mater
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Post by daymondmyles on Apr 3, 2017 13:14:16 GMT -5
Btw, $200 bottles of "Cab"?! Can you play to Georgetown stereotypes more? Next thing you know somebody will talk about how much more money they make than somebody else. Yuck.
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Post by iowa80 on Apr 3, 2017 13:22:01 GMT -5
I'm glad to see PE getting an interview. I just hope that he's not the only one who gets an interview. At the end of the day, I'd like for there to be as few questions as possible about the legitimacy of the process. If he's s the only viable candidate who would consent to an interview, I suppose that tells us something as well.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Apr 3, 2017 13:22:23 GMT -5
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Post by BigmanU on Apr 3, 2017 13:24:28 GMT -5
Welcome Coach Ewing!!!!!!!
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Post by This Just In on Apr 3, 2017 13:27:40 GMT -5
Someone earlier hit the nail on the head. Two camps: Thompson legacy camp and non-Thompson clean break camp. How about also Camp C : have an actual process where we interview people like Hurley, Ed Cooley, Christian, and Becker - not one where we throw a few Hail Mary's and pretend we're interested in guys we know we can't get and then settle? Quite honestly, I find the version of events put forth by this board (Alonzo gets the board to fire JT3 over the wishes of the President because his son doesn't get playing time, we hire his buddy Ewing) to be more depressing than anything that Pete Thamel wrote. It's what happens in a dysfunctional kid's soccer league - not a major university. I'm so cynical at this point that I wonder if Shaka Smart was interested whether we'd actually interview him, or whether we'd make up some excuse (he's too expensive! he's not academic enough!) to run him out of the field so we could debate Amaker/Ewing. I was all for keeping JT3 - because I figured we'd end up with guys like Amaker and Crean and Ewing in the process - JT3 has the best resume of that group to turn this thing around, and we would not have to pay a buyout or a Korn Ferry to disguise our motivations. If you fire him, you need to look outside and see what's there and it doesn't look at all like we did that. The last 7 years comparison Crean vs JTIII Tom Crean 2010–11 Indiana 12–20 3–15 11th 2011–12 Indiana 27–9 11–7 5th NCAA Sweet 16 2012–13 Indiana 29–7 14–4 1st NCAA Sweet 16 2013–14 Indiana 17–15 7–11 T–8th 2014–15 Indiana 20–14 9–9 T–7th NCAA Round of 64 2015–16 Indiana 27–8 15–3 1st NCAA Sweet 16 2016–17 Indiana 18–16 7–11 T–10th NIT First Round JTIII 2010–11 Georgetown 21–11 10–8 8th NCAA Round of 64 2011–12 Georgetown 24–9 12–6 T–4th NCAA Round of 32 2012–13 Georgetown 25–7 14–4 T–1st NCAA Round of 64 2013–14 Georgetown 18–15 8–10 7th NIT Second Round 2014–15 Georgetown 22–11 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Round of 32 2015–16 Georgetown 15–18 7–11 8th 2016–17 Georgetown 14–18 5–13 9th Crean has 2 Regular Season Titles vs JTIII 1 Regular Season Title Crean 3 Sweet 16's vs JTIII 0 Sweet 16's Who has the better resume?
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Post by trillesthoya on Apr 3, 2017 13:30:04 GMT -5
HOYA FREAKING SAXA
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