justsaying
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Mar 23, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -5
Post by justsaying on Mar 23, 2017 13:35:19 GMT -5
If the news is true and GU will need a replacement coach; I think someone like PE if he would take it could possible get Waters to reconsider and maybe get Mourning to reconsider and also hit the DVM hard for recruits.
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Mar 23, 2017 14:53:07 GMT -5
Post by centercourt400s on Mar 23, 2017 14:53:07 GMT -5
This talk of hiring someone who would be easy to fire down the road if things don't work out is incredibly negative. You don't hire people, or avoid hiring people, based on that. Or if you do you've already admitted that you are a bad judge of character in the first place.
Interview the hell out of top candidates then pick the best one. Done.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:02:27 GMT -5
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:02:27 GMT -5
I think we lose Govan unless we can get Ewing. Govan was really close to he Thompson's.
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This Just In
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Mar 23, 2017 15:29:14 GMT -5
Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2017 15:29:14 GMT -5
I think we lose Govan unless we can get Ewing. Govan was really close to he Thompson's. Is this really a big loss?
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:41:16 GMT -5
I think we lose Govan unless we can get Ewing. Govan was really close to he Thompson's. Is this really a big loss? Losing a junior is probably one of our best remaking players would be a huge loss.
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Mar 23, 2017 15:50:48 GMT -5
Post by HometownHoya on Mar 23, 2017 15:50:48 GMT -5
I'm sure Pat will consider the job if it's offered. He's in a tough spot personally though. He's made it clear his goal is to coach in the NBA. The best way to do that is continue to coach in the NBA. Could he take the HC coach at G-town, have a great 5 years, then move on? Of course. He could also be a solid coach and the NBA would never come calling.
The administration might as well ask though. Even if he says no, he'll still be around if the new hire is a flop.
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TC
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Post by TC on Mar 23, 2017 18:19:37 GMT -5
Patrick would drop us in a hot minute to coach the Nets. It would be a terrible hire.
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Mar 26, 2017 9:18:16 GMT -5
Post by professorhoya on Mar 26, 2017 9:18:16 GMT -5
For Fox (Ewing vs Mullin), for Nike, for Pops, for Geogetown Ewing is the best choice. He would allow for a smooth transition and keeping the Thompsons and their alumni NBA players in the fold.
Gives Ewing head coaching experience which could be a stepping stone to an NBA job. I do have reservations about his defensive mind because the JTII/III/Ewing style of physical man to man defense can no longer work in college basketball because of Freedom of Movement/foul trouble. So you need to hire a Pack the Line assistant coach.
Hire Jaren Jackson as an assistant coach and poach Jaren Jackson Jr. and groom Jaren Jackson as the next head coach if Ewing gets an NBA coaching job. GEt Iverson as a special assistant and have him finish his degree as a pathway to assistant/head coach which brings in Tremont Waters.
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Mar 26, 2017 11:14:11 GMT -5
Post by reformation on Mar 26, 2017 11:14:11 GMT -5
Would be interesting--basically having Ewing & AI on sidelines vs Mullin + Mitch Richmond--would garner a lot of attention-question is whether the superstars are really all in-otherwise were stuck with a phil jackson type situation with the knicks-my sense is it might entice recruits especially pt guards if you could entice AI, but not really sure.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 26, 2017 11:17:50 GMT -5
For Fox (Ewing vs Mullin), for Nike, for Pops, for Geogetown Ewing is the best choice. He would allow for a smooth transition and keeping the Thompsons and their alumni NBA players in the fold. Gives Ewing head coaching experience which could be a stepping stone to an NBA job. I do have reservations about his defensive mind because the JTII/III/Ewing style of physical man to man defense can no longer work in college basketball because of Freedom of Movement/foul trouble. So you need to hire a Pack the Line assistant coach. Hire Jaren Jackson as an assistant coach and poach Jaren Jackson Jr. and groom Jaren Jackson as the next head coach if Ewing gets an NBA coaching job. GEt Iverson as a special assistant and have him finish his degree as a pathway to assistant/head coach which brings in Tremont Waters. And then get a magical unicorn to deliver the game ball for each home game...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 26, 2017 12:11:43 GMT -5
So for eternity we are never going to consider anyone for head or assistant coach unless he has played at Georgetown?
I love what the Thompsons have meant to, and brought to, the Hoya culture and history. But if the only way to ensure "continuity" is to hire former players or others who have ties to Big John, maybe it is best that we head in another direction now, rather than having such a tunnel-vision focus.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 26, 2017 12:36:24 GMT -5
So for eternity we are never going to consider anyone for head or assistant coach unless he has played at Georgetown? I love what the Thompsons have meant to, and brought to, the Hoya culture and history. But if the only way to ensure "continuity" is to hire former players or others who have ties to Big John, maybe it is best that we head in another direction now, rather than having such a tunnel-vision focus. I 100% agree. Listen, if we make runs at Smart, Crean, Brey, Hurley, etc., and they all say no, then yes, maybe you want to take a run at Ewing. But not yet. Recruiting has been a major problem and we basically have a tiny roster, our backcourt is a mess, and who knows if other guys will transfer. We need bodies, and we really need to hit the 2018 class really hard regardless of the coach. I am one of the guys who thinks you definitely want to maintain the historical connection to the Thompson legacy, but I don't think hiring Ewing for that reason makes sense. If there are legitimate reasons to hire him (and there are some), then fine. But if that's the major reason - or the reason why we would overlook his lack of recruiting experience - then that's not a good enough reason to choose him over other able coaches. But, if we get to the point where it's Amaker v. Ewing, or someone similar, then by all means consider Ewing.
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kota
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Mar 26, 2017 12:39:39 GMT -5
Post by kota on Mar 26, 2017 12:39:39 GMT -5
Shaking my head. Do not undertstand why there is such animus against Amaker.
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Mar 26, 2017 13:04:13 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 26, 2017 13:04:13 GMT -5
Shaking my head. Do not undertstand why there is such animus against Amaker. It has been detailed on the coaching search related threads, but again: 1. 1 NCAA in 10 years at high major schools. Yes there were some impediments - but 1 for 10 is not a good record, certainly raises doubts about ability to recruit and coach at that level; 2. His early success at Harvard was based in significant part on convincing (forcing) the school to relax its admissions standards, coupled with pushing inherited players out the door; 3. The whiff of some recruiting improprieties, although no sanctions of any type.
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bamahoya11
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Mar 26, 2017 13:12:38 GMT -5
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 26, 2017 13:12:38 GMT -5
I'm not as down on Amaker as some folks on here. I get that he ticks some boxes you want in a Georgetown coach. Frankly. I think the recruiting issues at Harvard are seriously over blown in terms of NCAA compliance. It seems like his peers in the Ivy League didn't like that he came in and was more aggressive in recruiting. Far from the first time that has happened.
All that said, I think we need the next hire to really energize the fan base. I don't see Amaker doing that. And some of the disengagement issues (lack of media availability and fan access) have also surfaced at Harvard.
All things considered, I would take Amaker over Ewing. I worry about Amaker ever being an elite coach in the Big East, but I don't view him as likely to be a total flop. Ewing could easily be a total flop in college coaching. I want someone with head coaching experience.
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Mar 26, 2017 17:01:07 GMT -5
Post by wisconsinhoya on Mar 26, 2017 17:01:07 GMT -5
For Fox (Ewing vs Mullin), for Nike, for Pops, for Geogetown Ewing is the best choice. He would allow for a smooth transition and keeping the Thompsons and their alumni NBA players in the fold. Gives Ewing head coaching experience which could be a stepping stone to an NBA job. I do have reservations about his defensive mind because the JTII/III/Ewing style of physical man to man defense can no longer work in college basketball because of Freedom of Movement/foul trouble. So you need to hire a Pack the Line assistant coach. Have you watched South Carolina play defense the last 4 games of the NCAA tournament? They seem to be able to get after their opponents quite effectively. Even though we play in today's climate of freedom of movement era.
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dreamhoya
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Mar 26, 2017 17:07:52 GMT -5
Post by dreamhoya on Mar 26, 2017 17:07:52 GMT -5
I think we lose Govan unless we can get Ewing. Govan was really close to he Thompson's. I'm not sure why a STARTER would leave and lose a year.
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dreamhoya
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Mar 26, 2017 17:10:05 GMT -5
Post by dreamhoya on Mar 26, 2017 17:10:05 GMT -5
Shaking my head. Do not undertstand why there is such animus against Amaker. It has been detailed on the coaching search related threads, but again: 1. 1 NCAA in 10 years at high major schools. Yes there were some impediments - but 1 for 10 is not a good record, certainly raises doubts about ability to recruit and coach at that level; --- you're right. he was 31. 2. His early success at Harvard was based in significant part on convincing (forcing) the school to relax its admissions standards, coupled with pushing inherited players out the door; --- stop at "success"; did the students flunk out, pushing out in what fashion and for what specific reason? 3. The whiff of some recruiting improprieties, although no sanctions of any type. the "whiff" - can you be more specific - a whiff. lol. here's the key: "although no sanctions of any type" a whiff. try that in court. Can you provide more specific details / source? Everything you said was not fact based.
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Post by professorhoya on Mar 26, 2017 17:15:42 GMT -5
I think we lose Govan unless we can get Ewing. Govan was really close to he Thompson's. I'm not sure why a STARTER would leave and lose a year. That kind of thing happens when the coach you love and sweat blood and tears for is fired and if that coach's dad leaves too.
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Mar 26, 2017 17:16:37 GMT -5
Post by professorhoya on Mar 26, 2017 17:16:37 GMT -5
For Fox (Ewing vs Mullin), for Nike, for Pops, for Geogetown Ewing is the best choice. He would allow for a smooth transition and keeping the Thompsons and their alumni NBA players in the fold. Gives Ewing head coaching experience which could be a stepping stone to an NBA job. I do have reservations about his defensive mind because the JTII/III/Ewing style of physical man to man defense can no longer work in college basketball because of Freedom of Movement/foul trouble. So you need to hire a Pack the Line assistant coach. Hire Jaren Jackson as an assistant coach and poach Jaren Jackson Jr. and groom Jaren Jackson as the next head coach if Ewing gets an NBA coaching job. GEt Iverson as a special assistant and have him finish his degree as a pathway to assistant/head coach which brings in Tremont Waters. And then get a magical unicorn to deliver the game ball for each home game... The Magical Unicorn wants $300,000 and a Beamer to come to Georgetown.
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