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Post by justsaying on Mar 18, 2017 15:23:01 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 18, 2017 17:00:01 GMT -5
No. No, no, no, no, NOOOOOOO.
We're all fuming about a coach we can't fire and we want to hire another coach we can't fire? That has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard.
Who else is considering Ewing? Has Indiana offered him several million? Did he pass on NC State so they went with Keatts? No? Then why would we want him?
His jersey belongs in the rafters, untarnished.
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 18, 2017 17:36:35 GMT -5
He has no credentials to take over a high major program. This is silly.
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Post by alleninxis on Mar 18, 2017 18:15:01 GMT -5
He has no credentials to take over a high major program. This is silly. None? He's been an assistant in the NBA under one of the best coaching trees around for over a decade now. I'd disagree. There are other issues in the thought of him taking over a college program, but he certainly has some credentials.
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Post by zxhoya on Mar 18, 2017 18:43:13 GMT -5
He has no credentials to take over a high major program. This is silly. What kind of credentials are needed?
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Post by zxhoya on Mar 18, 2017 18:47:03 GMT -5
No. No, no, no, no, NOOOOOOO. We're all fuming about a coach we can't fire and we want to hire another coach we can't fire? That has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Who else is considering Ewing? Has Indiana offered him several million? Did he pass on NC State so they went with Keatts? No? Then why would we want him? His jersey belongs in the rafters, untarnished. So you're saying that there is no way PE Sr. could be successful as the Hoyas Head Coach?
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 18, 2017 19:32:13 GMT -5
No. No, no, no, no, NOOOOOOO. We're all fuming about a coach we can't fire and we want to hire another coach we can't fire? That has to be the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Who else is considering Ewing? Has Indiana offered him several million? Did he pass on NC State so they went with Keatts? No? Then why would we want him? His jersey belongs in the rafters, untarnished. Who else was considering Mullins?
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 18, 2017 19:56:55 GMT -5
Look elsewhere for a coach.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 18, 2017 20:52:43 GMT -5
He should definitely be in the mix for the job.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 18, 2017 20:56:42 GMT -5
[/quote]So you're saying that there is no way PE Sr. could be successful as the Hoyas Head Coach?[/quote]
What is the usual outcome of most coaches' tenures?
Why in the world would we make the same mistake twice? In a row?
When JTIII was hired, many people on here said, "This will be great if it works. But what if it doesn't?" We're squarely in the "what if" phase.
Ewing is our greatest player. There are qualified coaches who don't carry this risk.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 18, 2017 20:58:12 GMT -5
He should definitely be in the mix for the job. Where else is he "in the mix?"
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 18, 2017 21:01:04 GMT -5
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 18, 2017 21:06:42 GMT -5
I've read far more insightful things on Hoyatalk than this article. Do you really think Indiana would consider him? If Coack K retires this year, are they going to beat a path to Ewing's door? If Indiana hires Kevin Mack, would Xavier hire him? Would DePaul? The answer to all of these questions is No. So if no other school would hire him, then why should we?
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Mar 18, 2017 21:11:27 GMT -5
I've read far more insightful things on Hoyatalk than this article. Do you really think Indiana would consider him? If Coack K retires this year, are they going to beat a path to Ewing's door? If Indiana hires Kevin Mack, would Xavier hire him? Would DePaul? The answer to all of these questions is No. So if no other school would hire him, then why should we? the one guy I'm sure Indiana won't hire is Kevin Mack.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 18, 2017 21:11:42 GMT -5
Interesting article. But what I don't get is why folks keep pointing to Mullin as some sort of model of success. Honestly, I'm not impressed by St. John's and I don't see their program as a model for emulation. Sure, the cupboard was bare for Mullin but he's had two losing seasons to start his tenure. And I just haven't been impressed by their style of play. There are some other guys in this situation. Hoiberg was basically Mullin, and he was obviously a big success. Avery Johnson replaced Anthony Grant at Alabama and has a mixed record. Two NITs but a good recruiting class coming in. Still, I think it's too big of an adjustment. Plus, I was less than thrilled that he cast the Georgetown job in an interview as a potential stepping stone for him. I've made my point clear, but I don't like the idea of Ewing. I see the arguments, I just don't think Ewing gets us toward a new direction. It the school isn't willing to do an open search and hire the best candidate, I would rather see us just stick with JTIII.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 18, 2017 23:00:45 GMT -5
Interesting article. But what I don't get is why folks keep pointing to Mullin as some sort of model of success. Honestly, I'm not impressed by St. John's and I don't see their program as a model for emulation. Sure, the cupboard was bare for Mullin but he's had two losing seasons to start his tenure. And I just haven't been impressed by their style of play. There are some other guys in this situation. Hoiberg was basically Mullin, and he was obviously a big success. Avery Johnson replaced Anthony Grant at Alabama and has a mixed record. Two NITs but a good recruiting class coming in. Still, I think it's too big of an adjustment. Plus, I was less than thrilled that he cast the Georgetown job in an interview as a potential stepping stone for him. I've made my point clear, but I don't like the idea of Ewing. I see the arguments, I just don't think Ewing gets us toward a new direction. It the school isn't willing to do an open search and hire the best candidate, I would rather see us just stick with JTIII. Fair arguments. I still think he deserves a look. The potential recruiting benefits intrigue me and his many years of coaching experience can be an asset. And, of course, there are the strong ties to Georgetown.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 18, 2017 23:02:30 GMT -5
Interesting article. But what I don't get is why folks keep pointing to Mullin as some sort of model of success. Honestly, I'm not impressed by St. John's and I don't see their program as a model for emulation. Sure, the cupboard was bare for Mullin but he's had two losing seasons to start his tenure. And I just haven't been impressed by their style of play. There are some other guys in this situation. Hoiberg was basically Mullin, and he was obviously a big success. Avery Johnson replaced Anthony Grant at Alabama and has a mixed record. Two NITs but a good recruiting class coming in. Still, I think it's too big of an adjustment. Plus, I was less than thrilled that he cast the Georgetown job in an interview as a potential stepping stone for him. I've made my point clear, but I don't like the idea of Ewing. I see the arguments, I just don't think Ewing gets us toward a new direction. It the school isn't willing to do an open search and hire the best candidate, I would rather see us just stick with JTIII. One more thing. I think Mullin was the right hire for St. John's. He has brought energy and excitement back to that program. His coaching is not there yet but he came in completely green.
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Post by dense on Mar 18, 2017 23:35:52 GMT -5
Mullin was not an assistant coach. PE has been for damn near 10years in the nba. he is the lead assistant too. he is way qualified. People asking to hire someone you can fire? Is that not saying lets hire someone who if we think may not be successful? Why hire that person??? I want someone who wants to be here and loves the school. PE is that. Hire the man. He will probably bring Rod Strickland as his lead assistant. Rod strickland is a great recruiter. He was for Cal at Memphis and coached the PGs.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 19, 2017 1:12:42 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the idea of Patrick becoming the coach because of the University and not because of Patrick. Maybe it's different behind closed doors but the lack of transparency, if it's not exclusive to dealings with the media and fans and also extends to the program and staff, worries me. Ewing has been an assistant for a long time now. And he's keeping with it and has, as far as I know, gotten great reviews from those with whom he's worked for quite a while too. He seems to be in it because he loves it. Otherwise, why would a man with his experience (as a player and a coach), legacy and bank account keep at it having not been given a shot at a HC job?
Patrick probably still really wants an NBA HC job but he clearly knows how the business side of it works. His best shot at that NBA HC job is, likely, proving himself on the college level. He's proven his worth at the NBA level as an assistant and has accepted that role. What I mean to say is that I have the feeling that Patrick would have little trouble separating his legacy as the best player to ever play for Georgetown from a possible role as the new HC for Georgetown basketball. Even though it's Georgetown, I get the feeling that Patrick would have no problem separating his time as a player and his role as a coach. I'm more wary that he'd be walking into a fairly rough situation with regard to the Thompsons and with the current state of the program and the dwindling roster. How much time does being Patrick Ewing buy him to turn things around in his first go around as a head coach before the fans are clamoring for him to go as well?
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Post by SaxaCD on Mar 19, 2017 1:58:50 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the idea of Patrick becoming the coach because of the University and not because of Patrick. Maybe it's different behind closed doors but the lack of transparency, if it's not exclusive to dealings with the media and fans and also extends to the program and staff, worries me. Ewing has been an assistant for a long time now. And he's keeping with it and has, as far as I know, gotten great reviews from those with whom he's worked for quite a while too. He seems to be in it because he loves it. Otherwise, why would a man with his experience (as a player and a coach), legacy and bank account keep at it having not been given a shot at a HC job? Patrick probably still really wants an NBA HC job but he clearly knows how the business side of it works. His best shot at that NBA HC job is, likely, proving himself on the college level. He's proven his worth at the NBA level as an assistant and has accepted that role. What I mean to say is that I have the feeling that Patrick would have little trouble separating his legacy as the best player to ever play for Georgetown from a possible role as the new HC for Georgetown basketball. Even though it's Georgetown, I get the feeling that Patrick would have no problem separating his time as a player and his role as a coach. I'm more wary that he'd be walking into a fairly rough situation with regard to the Thompsons and with the current state of the program and the dwindling roster. How much time does being Patrick Ewing buy him to turn things around in his first go around as a head coach before the fans are clamoring for him to go as well? Definitely hear you there, Tas -- I guess my feeling is just that a flawed shot at proving his worth as a HC is better than no shot at all, and it's possible the "splash" that the news would make could encourage some good recruits to give it a go. Maybe not ideal, but he's been trying so long, I just hope that GU would try to help him out, even if it's a long shot. I think his son could have a real good shot at being a coach someday somewhere, too, so it would be nice to see them side by side. I also see the "steppingstone" thing as a plus -- he would be motivated to be successful quickly, and if he got an NBA job, there surely could be no hard feelings for his leaving for that. If things don't work out, at least he had a shot. Sometime you have to take risks to reap rewards, and yes, the downside is there could be awkwardness. I like the possible upside, though. He's earned a shot, and I have to think defense and rebounding will get their proper attention, at any rate.
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