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Post by TC on Mar 19, 2017 3:15:10 GMT -5
He has no credentials to take over a high major program. This is silly. What kind of credentials are needed? Head coaching at some level at a place with high academic demands.
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Post by 95hoya on Mar 19, 2017 7:09:42 GMT -5
I could care less about being an NBA assistant. No evidence he can be the CEO, which is what HCs of high major programs have to do. Can he build a staff? Can he recruit? Can he motivate? Can he coach? There's no evidence to any of those questions.
Get a coach that checks off most of those questions.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 19, 2017 7:14:45 GMT -5
I could care less about being an NBA assistant. No evidence he can be the CEO, which is what HCs of high major programs have to do. Can he build a staff? Can he recruit? Can he motivate? Can he coach? There's no evidence to any of those questions. Get a coach that checks off most of those questions. You "could care less"? So how much do you care? Grammar counts. This is not a Syracuse board.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 19, 2017 9:00:47 GMT -5
And for those of you who think hiring Ewing is a great idea, what happens if he is terrible? What do we do? How do we get rid of Coach Patrick Ewing if he's here for four years and we don't make the tournament?
We would have then forced out, in succession, the son of the man who built the program and the player who built the program.
And I don't want to hear as a comeback, "What if he's great?" If you can't answer the question about what happens if it goes wrong, then the risk is too great.
Hint: What happens if we hire Ewing and he stinks is exactly what is happening now. Do you like the current situation? Not me. It's awful in a hundred more ways than just having a bad coach is awful.
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Post by dense on Mar 19, 2017 9:05:32 GMT -5
And for those of you who think hiring Ewing is a great idea, what happens if he is terrible? What do we do? How do we get rid of Coach Patrick Ewing if he's here for four years and we don't make the tournament? We would have then forced out, in succession, the son of the man who built the program and the player who built the program. And I don't want to hear as a comeback, "What if he's great?" If you can't answer the question about what happens if it goes wrong, then the risk is too great. Hint: What happens if we hire Ewing and he stinks is exactly what is happening now. Do you like the current situation? Not me. It's awful in a hundred more ways than just having a bad coach is awful. But who says him not coming here and hiring an outsiders keeps anything in tact. you seem to be neglecting that. All the players that are of any consequence to this program are affiliated with the Thompsons so you think some new hire would be able to garner favor from the past of this program. If he have to fire him at least that era is over and a new coach can start a new one.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 19, 2017 9:22:36 GMT -5
This should be a non-starter all around. A 55 year old with no college coaching experience and little or no interest should not be a candidate for any major college coaching job, period. That St. John's was so completely out of options does not make it so. Too close minded. He should be an option and he has expressed interest. Of course we should look at others. It should be a disciplined, careful process. But Ewing deserves fair consideration.
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Post by TC on Mar 19, 2017 10:12:49 GMT -5
This should be a non-starter all around. A 55 year old with no college coaching experience and little or no interest should not be a candidate for any major college coaching job, period. That St. John's was so completely out of options does not make it so. Too close minded. He should be an option and he has expressed interest. Of course we should look at others. It should be a disciplined, careful process. But Ewing deserves fair consideration. This isn't the Presidency, we shouldn't be giving people with no resume a chance because they are celebrities. That Casual Hoya thinks this is an idea is evidence of how ridiculous they've become.
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Post by dense on Mar 19, 2017 19:09:21 GMT -5
Yeah because NBA assistants do nothing. they do 10 times the work college assistants do. its revelant experience.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 19, 2017 19:31:36 GMT -5
Yeah because NBA assistants do nothing. they do 10 times the work college assistants do. its revelant experience. They certainly do far more individual work with players; they can coach year round, no weekly practice limits, etc. But they don't spend hundreds of hours recruiting. Is a premier NCAA and NBA star going to be able recruit the guards and small forwards needed to succeed in college ball today? Will he want to put in those hours of recruiting all over the country? I don't think we can assume either way.
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Post by royski on Mar 19, 2017 19:32:47 GMT -5
The idea that NBA coaching experience has no relevance to coaching in college is very silly. That said, Ewing would not be at the top of my list.
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Post by TC on Mar 19, 2017 19:39:57 GMT -5
Yeah because NBA assistants do nothing. they do 10 times the work college assistants do. its revelant experience. I doubt NBA assistants do "10 times the work college assistants do", but no, it's not relevant experience. How many college head coaches rose to that rank from being NBA assistant coaches - with no actual head coaching experience? NBA coaches are sometimes first time head coaches, but that rarely happens in major college conferences. How many college coaches get the job after declaring that's really not their goal when asked about interest in a job? Patrick Ewing has no resume for this job. He's never been a head coach. That's not even the benchmark the administration would probably look for - which is "successful head coach at a school with strong academics". The only thing that makes Patrick Ewing relevant in this conversation is he played at Georgetown. You guys are celebrity-jocking here. This is basically the same logic behind Jaren Jackson's "Hoyas for Hoyas" petition (http://georgetownvoice.com/2004/04/22/son-of-legend-takes-on-mens-basketball/) with some additional deference to celebrity because Patrick Ewing is the greatest player in Georgetown history.
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Post by HoyaSC on Mar 19, 2017 20:05:53 GMT -5
But who says him not coming here and hiring an outsiders keeps anything in tact. you seem to be neglecting that. All the players that are of any consequence to this program are affiliated with the Thompsons so you think some new hire would be able to garner favor from the past of this program. If he have to fire him at least that era is over and a new coach can start a new one. The era is already over and we have to start a new one. Ewing would only prolong the era's death throes.
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Post by RBHoya on Mar 19, 2017 20:05:55 GMT -5
It isn't a ridiculous idea. Happens from time to time in football, like Bill O'Brien going from an assistant with the Pats to head coach of Penn State, or Charlie Weiss going from the same to head coach at Notre Dame. Recruiting and "running the program" are probably even bigger responsibilities in football. It can be done. There are times when college programs hire college assistants as head coaches too, ie. Wojo at Marquette. This happens all the time in football too--the offensive and defensive coordinators from top programs are often the top candidates in coaching searches. It's true in that situation that the assistant has experience with recruiting, but they don't have any experience as a "CEO" of a program either. There are different ways to being a successful head coach, and one model is where the head coach leaves most of the recruiting legwork to his assistants and serves as a "closer", relying to some extent on his name value. It's a perspective.
Now, I'd add that it certainly wouldn't be my choice, but not because the idea of Patrick going from seasoned NBA assistant to college head coach is somehow absurd. It's because if it doesn't work out it'd be the same situation we're in now, where it's clear that the cord ought to be cut but we can't/won't because of the coach's last name and the goodwill he's accumulated for the school in the distant past. It just makes things more complicated than they need to be. For St. Johns it was a risk worth taking, but even though Patrick has way more coaching experience than Mullin, it's not worth the risk for us. Would much rather go with someone who has been successful at a slightly lower level (Wade, Hurley, etc.) and have a totally clean slate and no strings attached if it doesn't work out a few years from now.
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Post by dense on Mar 20, 2017 1:09:06 GMT -5
Yeah because NBA assistants do nothing. they do 10 times the work college assistants do. its revelant experience. They certainly do far more individual work with players; they can coach year round, no weekly practice limits, etc. But they don't spend hundreds of hours recruiting. Is a premier NCAA and NBA star going to be able recruit the guards and small forwards needed to succeed in college ball today? Will he want to put in those hours of recruiting all over the country? I don't think we can assume either way. College head coaches do the end recruiting work not the beginning. If you can do all the skill work and watch that much tape as NBA assistants do, flying around to see a kid is not that hard. You fly more during an NBA season.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Mar 20, 2017 4:47:04 GMT -5
Explore other options, in looking for a HC. It doesn't have to be an alum to run the program.
That seems close minded by not doing that.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 20, 2017 7:17:09 GMT -5
I'm not a huge fan of the idea of Patrick becoming the coach because of the University and not because of Patrick. Maybe it's different behind closed doors but the lack of transparency, if it's not exclusive to dealings with the media and fans and also extends to the program and staff, worries me. Ewing has been an assistant for a long time now. And he's keeping with it and has, as far as I know, gotten great reviews from those with whom he's worked for quite a while too. He seems to be in it because he loves it. Otherwise, why would a man with his experience (as a player and a coach), legacy and bank account keep at it having not been given a shot at a HC job? Patrick probably still really wants an NBA HC job but he clearly knows how the business side of it works. His best shot at that NBA HC job is, likely, proving himself on the college level. He's proven his worth at the NBA level as an assistant and has accepted that role. What I mean to say is that I have the feeling that Patrick would have little trouble separating his legacy as the best player to ever play for Georgetown from a possible role as the new HC for Georgetown basketball. Even though it's Georgetown, I get the feeling that Patrick would have no problem separating his time as a player and his role as a coach. I'm more wary that he'd be walking into a fairly rough situation with regard to the Thompsons and with the current state of the program and the dwindling roster. How much time does being Patrick Ewing buy him to turn things around in his first go around as a head coach before the fans are clamoring for him to go as well? Definitely hear you there, Tas -- I guess my feeling is just that a flawed shot at proving his worth as a HC is better than no shot at all, and it's possible the "splash" that the news would make could encourage some good recruits to give it a go. Maybe not ideal, but he's been trying so long, I just hope that GU would try to help him out, even if it's a long shot. I think his son could have a real good shot at being a coach someday somewhere, too, so it would be nice to see them side by side. I also see the "steppingstone" thing as a plus -- he would be motivated to be successful quickly, and if he got an NBA job, there surely could be no hard feelings for his leaving for that. If things don't work out, at least he had a shot. Sometime you have to take risks to reap rewards, and yes, the downside is there could be awkwardness. I like the possible upside, though. He's earned a shot, and I have to think defense and rebounding will get their proper attention, at any rate. You make solid points that I hadn't considered in the way in which you presented them. I'd probably be more excited about the idea of giving Patrick a shot (one that, I believe, he's earned) if we weren't already entrenched in a sticky situation with the Thompsons. Big John is probably the only person that has meant more to Georgetown basketball than Patrick. Also, I really have no sense of what Patrick means to the generation coming up which could affect the "splash" factor. Finally, the game is very different and Pat excelled, in part, because of the style of game that was played during his time. But, for me, I wish Patrick would be given a shot and would wish him the best. I just would hope it would be somewhere else because of the particular complications regarding Georgetown. However, like you said, if Pat were to be successful at Georgetown (especially with an eye to going to the next level), it would be a huge win both for him and for Georgetown. There's no getting around that but feel as though it's too large of a risk for Georgetown to take in our current situation.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 20, 2017 8:26:27 GMT -5
We don't need Pat to excel at Xs & Os, but to recruit the hell out of the DMV. He won in college, and more importantly, he was an NBA All-Star with a retired jersey at MSG. He is a compelling presence.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Mar 20, 2017 9:04:24 GMT -5
"In the mix"? There does not appear to be a mix. And potential ingredients are quickly disappearing from the shelves.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 20, 2017 9:09:01 GMT -5
They certainly do far more individual work with players; they can coach year round, no weekly practice limits, etc. But they don't spend hundreds of hours recruiting. Is a premier NCAA and NBA star going to be able recruit the guards and small forwards needed to succeed in college ball today? Will he want to put in those hours of recruiting all over the country? I don't think we can assume either way. College head coaches do the end recruiting work not the beginning. If you can do all the skill work and watch that much tape as NBA assistants do, flying around to see a kid is not that hard. You fly more during an NBA season. They may not do all of the preliminary work, but they definitely do more than "end" work. They are at the major events all over the country, and for the 4 and 5 star recruits, having the head coach involved early sends the right message. As for travel, NBA coaches do fly all over - but to the big cities, not necessarily Podunk, NM or Littleville, ID. I just don't know that Patrick's name is enough. But like I said, I am not assuming either way.
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