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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 18, 2017 22:03:01 GMT -5
I wonder if he has a chance to get past Arizona. I've liked them to go deep but will be pulling for Xavier. It'll take a big effort but Arizona looked beatable tonight.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 18, 2017 22:10:21 GMT -5
Watching DiVincenzo this year I've been thinking the same thing. So I did some googling and learned that DiVincenzo was purely a scorer in high school. Didn't play D or rebound because his coach didn't want him to get in foul trouble. He was quoted as saying that when he got to Nova Wright and his coaches taught him how to play defense and rebound. Imagine that!! That's really interesting. Watching the tournament has been so purely depressing. All these good teams with good guards, and a bunch of players who just know how to play smart, instinctive basketball. Our guys so often look like they are locked up inside their own heads. And when they do try to play more instinctively, they make a lot of mistakes, because they are not used to playing that way, nor coached to play that waya note the two coaches who got big contracts in the last two days: Keatts and Underwood. What is one big thing both have in common? they both play a high tempo, attacking, guard oriented style of basketball. Schools have figured out that unless you are one of the blue blood type programs, you have to play this way to attract the kind of guard talent needed to succeed in modern college basketball. That Evans kid from OK State is a blast to watch, he just sprints the ball up court and to the rim at every opportunity, but still generally makes good decisions. That is how Waters can play (though he is not as fast as Evans, few are), and what he could have done for us with the right scheme/coaching. But that just is not to be, unfortunately. If JTIII does come back next year - he should let Mosely and Mulmore play full blast, attacking off ball screens constantly. If we are lucky enough to keep Peak, he can join the fun. Even if we lose a few more good players to transfer - if we have two guards who are fast and can attack at least a little bit, play that way and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe recruit a grad transfer guard who is fast and wants a chance to have the ball in his hands all the time if mulmore/mosely can't do it. But no matter who the coach is, please don't run the offense through a big (in either the high or low post). Just let the guards go do their thing, and start building a program that plays that way. this is what we should have done this year, our record really could not have been any worse, and maybe we would be one year further along in the rebuild.Couldn't Agree More! I've been saying that to me the recruitment of Mosely and Mulmore had signified a change in offensive style. I really expected us this year to play a ball screen down hill drive & kick offense with a couple of Princeton wrinkles added in. Didn't take much foresight to see that Mosely and Mulmore don't fit a Princeton heavy offense that only works well when all 5 players on the floor (especially the guards) are capable of being a true triple threat. Neither Mosely nor Mulmore were recruited because they were knock down perimeter shooters. Their strengths were off the bounce and court vision and better fit for an offense where they come off picks and turn the corner getting into the lane putting pressure on the defense finding open shooters like a Pryor, Derrickson, Govan and Peak. Part of the reason I feel it's time for change is JT3's proclamation of change to recruits and media, even recruiting to it and then as soon as it gets a little tough going back and sticking to the same ol same ol of what he's comfortable with. Not just Mosely and Mulmore but I thought Derrickson's skill set was mismanaged to the point that in the middle of conference play the only shot opportunities Derrickson got was from NBA 3 point range. Hayes, Agau, and Kaleb Johnson strengths weren't exactly maximized either within JT3's Princeton offense. So the team was left with 3 players that could score in the offense on a consistent basis baring foul trouble. Can't win a bunch of games playing 3/5 on offense. Looking back, I'm surprised the team won as many games as they did.
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Post by hoyainla on Mar 18, 2017 22:14:47 GMT -5
We've had some seasons with injuries and off court issues like Xavier. Around this time of year we usually get together and try to justify why we struggled. Xavier is still playing because they adapted and played with incredible toughness. The job they've done this year is incredible. Mack is the best coach in the Big East in my view. Mack is very very good but to me Wright is the best in the BE right now.. Many good coaches in the BE right now.. And 1 that sticks out like a sore thumb that's not.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 18, 2017 22:21:48 GMT -5
Looses his PG who's an NBA 1st round draft pick and team's best player 2/3 of the way through the season, goes through a loosing streak as the team continues to adjust to a new offensive strategy, but keeps them together and focused by making constant changes and tweaks by putting Blueit back at the 4 for long stretches, stealing minutes by playing Macura as the backup PG, and the development of O'mara, Gaites, Jones and Goodin getting comfortable at the PG playing to their strengths. Mack has done a heck of job this season and is an outstanding coach!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 18, 2017 22:33:21 GMT -5
This Iowa St./Purdue game just went from a blowout to a really high level game after a 12-0 Iowa St. run. Now both teams going really hard at each other. I just appreciate the high level that both teams are playing at. Trying to remember when was last time the Hoyas were in single possession NCAA Tournament game that both teams are going back and forth at each other the last 10 minutes of the game? The NC State game in 2013 maybe? Before that got go back to the Ohio State game in the Final 4 season? Wow that's sad!
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 18, 2017 22:38:20 GMT -5
This Iowa St./Purdue game just went from a blowout to a really high level game after a 12-0 Iowa St. run. Now both teams going really hard at each other. I just appreciate the high level that both teams are playing at. Trying to remember when was last time the Hoyas were in single possession NCAA Tournament game that both teams are going back and forth at each other the last 10 minutes of the game? The NC State game in 2013 maybe? Before that got go back to the Ohio State game in the Final 4 season? Wow that's sad! That NC State game broke my heart. That was one of our first times in a long time to have a true group of over achievers. I got to see them beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa on a Hollis Thompson game winning three. And then they made quick work of Belmont and played so well against NCSU. I wanted those guys to advance so badly. And I figured it would be a foregone conclusion the next year, which of course I was wrong about.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 18, 2017 22:54:51 GMT -5
This Iowa St./Purdue game just went from a blowout to a really high level game after a 12-0 Iowa St. run. Now both teams going really hard at each other. I just appreciate the high level that both teams are playing at. Trying to remember when was last time the Hoyas were in single possession NCAA Tournament game that both teams are going back and forth at each other the last 10 minutes of the game? The NC State game in 2013 maybe? Before that got go back to the Ohio State game in the Final 4 season? Wow that's sad! That NC State game broke my heart. That was one of our first times in a long time to have a true group of over achievers. I got to see them beat Alabama in Tuscaloosa on a Hollis Thompson game winning three. And then they made quick work of Belmont and played so well against NCSU. I wanted those guys to advance so badly. And I figured it would be a foregone conclusion the next year, which of course I was wrong about. That game and season Editeded me off. I disagree with the notion that team was a group of overachievers. That team underachieved to me. That team had 3 NBA players! That was my favorite Hoyas team roster wise since the 2007 Final 4 team. They were balanced and fun to watch. Talk about a team perfectly built for JT3's offense. Henry Sims finally played to his abilities. Those Cincinnati games were backyard brawls especially the double overtime game in the BIG EAST Tournament. My only gripe with JT3 that season was he stayed with Lubick in the starting lineup too long and should have replaced him at the 4 with Porter much earlier.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 18, 2017 23:12:32 GMT -5
I remember Otto taking an off balance shot at the end and someone (Henry?) appearing less than happy about it. That NC State team was not all that good and had no bench, so I've probably blocked out the rest, including why Hollis (nice game) or even Clark didn't have the ball in their hands.(?)
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 18, 2017 23:43:57 GMT -5
I remember Otto taking an off balance shot at the end and someone (Henry?) appearing less than happy about it. That NC State team was not all that good and had no bench, so I've probably blocked out the rest, including why Hollis (nice game) or even Clark didn't have the ball in their hands.(?) Actually, we were down either one or two, Sims had the ball but was being double teamed, so he passed it out to Otto who had a wide open three. Otto didn't take it. Instead, he passed it back to Sims who had to take a tough shot as the clock was running down. He missed, and he was visibly frustrated with Otto. One of the few decisions Otto would love to have back, I'd assume. March is just painful in lots of ways.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 19, 2017 7:14:18 GMT -5
Looses his PG who's an NBA 1st round draft pick and team's best player 2/3 of the way through the season, goes through a loosing streak as the team continues to adjust to a new offensive strategy, but keeps them together and focused by making constant changes and tweaks by putting Blueit back at the 4 for long stretches, stealing minutes by playing Macura as the backup PG, and the development of O'mara, Gaites, Jones and Goodin getting comfortable at the PG playing to their strengths. Mack has done a heck of job this season and is an outstanding coach! If Sumner had not gotten hurt, Xavier would be a legit final 4 threat. It is amazing that they are playing this well without him, especially given how badly they struggled for the first month or so after his injury. I really hope Mack's loyalty to his alma mater keeps him at Xavier for the long term, because the conference can't afford to lose coaches like him.
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Post by vv83 on Mar 19, 2017 7:17:20 GMT -5
That's really interesting. Watching the tournament has been so purely depressing. All these good teams with good guards, and a bunch of players who just know how to play smart, instinctive basketball. Our guys so often look like they are locked up inside their own heads. And when they do try to play more instinctively, they make a lot of mistakes, because they are not used to playing that way, nor coached to play that waya note the two coaches who got big contracts in the last two days: Keatts and Underwood. What is one big thing both have in common? they both play a high tempo, attacking, guard oriented style of basketball. Schools have figured out that unless you are one of the blue blood type programs, you have to play this way to attract the kind of guard talent needed to succeed in modern college basketball. That Evans kid from OK State is a blast to watch, he just sprints the ball up court and to the rim at every opportunity, but still generally makes good decisions. That is how Waters can play (though he is not as fast as Evans, few are), and what he could have done for us with the right scheme/coaching. But that just is not to be, unfortunately. If JTIII does come back next year - he should let Mosely and Mulmore play full blast, attacking off ball screens constantly. If we are lucky enough to keep Peak, he can join the fun. Even if we lose a few more good players to transfer - if we have two guards who are fast and can attack at least a little bit, play that way and let the chips fall where they may. Maybe recruit a grad transfer guard who is fast and wants a chance to have the ball in his hands all the time if mulmore/mosely can't do it. But no matter who the coach is, please don't run the offense through a big (in either the high or low post). Just let the guards go do their thing, and start building a program that plays that way. this is what we should have done this year, our record really could not have been any worse, and maybe we would be one year further along in the rebuild.Couldn't Agree More! I've been saying that to me the recruitment of Mosely and Mulmore had signified a change in offensive style. I really expected us this year to play a ball screen down hill drive & kick offense with a couple of Princeton wrinkles added in. Didn't take much foresight to see that Mosely and Mulmore don't fit a Princeton heavy offense that only works well when all 5 players on the floor (especially the guards) are capable of being a true triple threat. Neither Mosely nor Mulmore were recruited because they were knock down perimeter shooters. Their strengths were off the bounce and court vision and better fit for an offense where they come off picks and turn the corner getting into the lane putting pressure on the defense finding open shooters like a Pryor, Derrickson, Govan and Peak. Part of the reason I feel it's time for change is JT3's proclamation of change to recruits and media, even recruiting to it and then as soon as it gets a little tough going back and sticking to the same ol same ol of what he's comfortable with. Not just Mosely and Mulmore but I thought Derrickson's skill set was mismanaged to the point that in the middle of conference play the only shot opportunities Derrickson got was from NBA 3 point range. Hayes, Agau, and Kaleb Johnson strengths weren't exactly maximized either within JT3's Princeton offense. So the team was left with 3 players that could score in the offense on a consistent basis baring foul trouble. Can't win a bunch of games playing 3/5 on offense. Looking back, I'm surprised the team won as many games as they did. Derrickson should be used like Bonzie Colson. Primarily in the post, even though he might be a little short for a traditional post player (and Derrickson has an inch or two on Colson). Then also able to step out and hit the 3, or pump fake and attack off the dribble. Derrickson has the skillset to do all this. His coach needs to help him develop the mindset that he's a go-to scorer who looks to attack aggressively on offense, with his post game as the starting point. Having Derrickson just stand in the corner waiting for a kick out pass is a waste of his talents, and it inculcates a passive offensive mindset.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 19, 2017 7:27:07 GMT -5
If JTIII stays, we can look to Purdue for inspiration. Matt Painter is one of the few folks I can find who has "come back" from back to back losing seasons. He went 16-18 in 2012-13 and 15-17 in 2013-14. He then responded by making three straight NCAAs. He had two early exits, but is back to the Sweet 16 now this year along with a Big 10 regular season title.
He and JTIII also track similarly in some ways. They both had some early tournament success (JTIII actually had significantly more) but had a lot of early round exits as well. Not saying it will happen, but I've been looking for any reason to be optimistic. And Painter's reinvention seems quite impressive.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 19, 2017 9:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 19, 2017 11:27:44 GMT -5
Couldn't Agree More! I've been saying that to me the recruitment of Mosely and Mulmore had signified a change in offensive style. I really expected us this year to play a ball screen down hill drive & kick offense with a couple of Princeton wrinkles added in. Didn't take much foresight to see that Mosely and Mulmore don't fit a Princeton heavy offense that only works well when all 5 players on the floor (especially the guards) are capable of being a true triple threat. Neither Mosely nor Mulmore were recruited because they were knock down perimeter shooters. Their strengths were off the bounce and court vision and better fit for an offense where they come off picks and turn the corner getting into the lane putting pressure on the defense finding open shooters like a Pryor, Derrickson, Govan and Peak. Part of the reason I feel it's time for change is JT3's proclamation of change to recruits and media, even recruiting to it and then as soon as it gets a little tough going back and sticking to the same ol same ol of what he's comfortable with. Not just Mosely and Mulmore but I thought Derrickson's skill set was mismanaged to the point that in the middle of conference play the only shot opportunities Derrickson got was from NBA 3 point range. Hayes, Agau, and Kaleb Johnson strengths weren't exactly maximized either within JT3's Princeton offense. So the team was left with 3 players that could score in the offense on a consistent basis baring foul trouble. Can't win a bunch of games playing 3/5 on offense. Looking back, I'm surprised the team won as many games as they did. Derrickson should be used like Bonzie Colson. Primarily in the post, even though he might be a little short for a traditional post player (and Derrickson has an inch or two on Colson). Then also able to step out and hit the 3, or pump fake and attack off the dribble. Derrickson has the skillset to do all this. His coach needs to help him develop the mindset that he's a go-to scorer who looks to attack aggressively on offense, with his post game as the starting point. Having Derrickson just stand in the corner waiting for a kick out pass is a waste of his talents, and it inculcates a passive offensive mindset. Stated pretty much the same thing in a different thread. I also stated when Derrickson and Agau played together that Derrickson should have played the 5 at the top of the key and Agau on the wing cutting through the lane. Would have helped Derrickson get some of the same offensive looks Govan was getting near the top of the key free throw line area. Also would help spacing wise and open up back door cuts because you have to guard Derrickson there with his shooting ability. Also Agau was a turnover machine when he played at the top of the key. Could never understand how that simple change was never at least attempted?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 19, 2017 13:09:01 GMT -5
I've been watching Michigan play a lot this season. One of my childhood buddies is a Michigan alum. I love the way they play and how skilled the team is. All 5 players on the court can score at all 3 levels. They are all multi-skilled. I have concluded that JT3 should just follow John Beilein around during the spring & summer and offer and pursue the kids he does.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 19, 2017 13:23:43 GMT -5
I've been watching Michigan play a lot this season. One of my childhood buddies is a Michigan alum. I love the way they play and how skilled the team is. All 5 players on the court can score at all 3 levels. They are all multi-skilled. I have concluded that JT3 should just follow John Beilein around during the spring & summer and offer and pursue the kids he does. Wilson is a RS kid for them & Wagner was a spring time signing in 2015.. Imagine that..
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 19, 2017 13:23:52 GMT -5
It will be I interesting to see if ESPN will do a piece on how the ACC has utterly failed in this tournament similar to the one they did on the Big 12 last year. I'm assuming they will remain hushed.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 19, 2017 13:28:24 GMT -5
Waitresses should be very careful tonight. Little Ricky may be surly..
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 19, 2017 13:39:32 GMT -5
Have to say, I'm fine with cinderella but this second round is intense with these big programs going at it. Really good basketball.
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Post by iowa80 on Mar 19, 2017 13:40:27 GMT -5
Ricky actually giving a fairly serious basketball answer to what went wrong in post-game interview. Not the usual platitudes.
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