757hoyafan
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Post by 757hoyafan on Mar 13, 2017 19:54:12 GMT -5
No Cuse! Ahhhhh, small victories for Hoyas fans right now. Losing at home to a bad Georgetown team probably kept the Orangemen out of the Tournament! Best college hoops news in a long time! St John's & BC according to CBS..
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hoyajinx
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 14, 2017 9:00:24 GMT -5
Cuse would have been the lowest RPI team to ever receive an at-large. It was classic this morning on ESPN. They had Seth Greenburg, Jay Williams and Bilas talking the last 4 teams in. ESPN's analytics department said Cuse had a 0% chance of making the tournament and yet all 3 agreed Cuse should definitely make it. It is a joke the way ESPN endorsed Cuse. They are going to become the Foxnews of sports. Boo hoo hoo. Yes, a team that lost to BC, St. John's, UConn and Georgetown clearly belonged in the dance. Not. Why does anyone bother to watch ESPN any more? I'm surprised that no one picked a final four of Duke, UNC, Florida St. and Louisville. It seems the majority picked at least two ACC teams to make it and some did pick three.
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hoyajinx
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 14, 2017 19:19:03 GMT -5
Long and Robinson from Mount St. Mary's would destroy us. I get the competition isn't spectacular, but neither is the defense from our guards. They are incredibly quick and crafty.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 14, 2017 22:20:03 GMT -5
Egregious time management failure by the UNO coach in my opinion. Down 1 with about a 3 second differential and he let it play out without fouling. Didn't even pressure and try to turn MSM over. They dribbled it down at half court. Absolute best case you get the ball back under your basket with 3 seconds left (they ended up with 2.6 and didn't even get a shot off). How do you not foul there and extend the game? Even if they hit both you are down 3 with 25, 20, even 10 seconds left. Just horrible. Esh v UConn at Verizon anyone?
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Mar 14, 2017 22:28:58 GMT -5
Crawford is awesome. Sigh.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 15, 2017 20:29:08 GMT -5
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GUJook97
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Post by GUJook97 on Mar 15, 2017 20:51:34 GMT -5
Long and Robinson from Mount St. Mary's would destroy us. I get the competition isn't spectacular, but neither is the defense from our guards. They are incredibly quick and crafty. That was what I was thinking the whole time I was watching that game. Both of those teams probably would have beat us. Sigh.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 15, 2017 21:21:22 GMT -5
One of the guys in the TruTV studio just said something like "The Big East is sticking together. At least what's left of it." Seriously? That's a hugely idiotic comment.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Mar 15, 2017 21:59:47 GMT -5
There's no doubt in my mind that UC Davis (my wife's school) would beat the Hoyas.
At least I have someone to root for! Go Ags!
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 15, 2017 22:15:59 GMT -5
There's no doubt in my mind that UC Davis (my wife's school) would beat the Hoyas. At least I have someone to root for! Go Ags! I was rooting for UC Davis throughout but based on some of the passes they tried to make, it would make the Hoyas look like a run and gun team...
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 15, 2017 22:22:20 GMT -5
Ed Cooley helming a disastrous choke job for the Providence Friars. Not a good start for the Big East, when our 3rd place team blows a 15-point halftime lead to a mediocre Pac-12 team.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Mar 15, 2017 22:30:32 GMT -5
Ed Cooley helming a disastrous choke job for the Providence Friars. Not a good start for the Big East, when our 3rd place team blows a 15-point halftime lead to a mediocre Pac-12 team. Cooley really has struggled in the tournament. But at least he is not losing to double digit seeds as a top 5 seed repeatedly! Tonight was bad, Providence never should have lost this game. Providence is a very mediocre offensive team, and the offense shut down in the second half. USC can score, and once they got comfortable against the zone, they tore it up in the second half. Cooley should have gotten out of the zone a lot earlier.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 15, 2017 22:53:09 GMT -5
Ed Cooley helming a disastrous choke job for the Providence Friars. Not a good start for the Big East, when our 3rd place team blows a 15-point halftime lead to a mediocre Pac-12 team. Cooley really has struggled in the tournament. But at least he is not losing to double digit seeds as a top 5 seed repeatedly! Tonight was bad, Providence never should have lost this game. Providence is a very mediocre offensive team, and the offense shut down in the second half. USC can score, and once they got comfortable against the zone, they tore it up in the second half. Cooley should have gotten out of the zone a lot earlier. Agreed. USC really figured out the zone. Provy's size and rebounding have been issues all year and it but them today. I really like Cooley generally. 1-4 in four years isn't great, but to get there four straight years at Provy and especially this year is still pretty terrific. They just haven't managed to have good seeds....The one time they did was the one time they got upset.
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madgesiq92
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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 16, 2017 6:21:26 GMT -5
Ed Cooley helming a disastrous choke job for the Providence Friars. Not a good start for the Big East, when our 3rd place team blows a 15-point halftime lead to a mediocre Pac-12 team. Cooley really has struggled in the tournament. But at least he is not losing to double digit seeds as a top 5 seed repeatedly! Just so I understand what it is like to live under the perpetual shadow of a dunce cap, is it your position that an 11 seed where you lose a play in game is a more successful season than a Big East regular season title where you lose to a double digit seed? Should Cooley be "fired" for the "disastrous choke job" and "really struggling" in the tournament, or is making it to the tournament 4 years in a row (once as a seeded) team--despite not ever making it out of the second round, an acceptable level of success for a Big East Coach? Is Jay Wright the only successful coach in the Big East, and all other coaches should be subjected to idiocy and lunacy of fickle alumni and local fan bases and entitled, spoiled brat students?
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hoyajinx
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Post by hoyajinx on Mar 16, 2017 6:41:03 GMT -5
Cooley really has struggled in the tournament. But at least he is not losing to double digit seeds as a top 5 seed repeatedly! Just so I understand what it is like to live under the perpetual shadow of a dunce cap, is it your position that an 11 seed where you lose a play in game is a more successful season than a Big East regular season title where you lose to a double digit seed? Should Cooley be "fired" for the "disastrous choke job" and "really struggling" in the tournament, or is making it to the tournament 4 years in a row (once as a seeded) team--despite not ever making it out of the second round, an acceptable level of success for a Big East Coach? Is Jay Wright the only successful coach in the Big East, and all other coaches should be subjected to idiocy and lunacy of fickle alumni and local fan bases and entitled, spoiled brat students? I think there were only a handful of people who thought JTIII should have been fired based on postseason failures. The majority have joined that position in the last two disastrous seasons and what appear to be several more in the future. Without regular season success and without recent tournament success, it's generally what happens in college basketball. But the name calling and ad hominem attacks definitely strengthen your argument.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 16, 2017 6:50:33 GMT -5
I think that if you are regularly a high seed losing to a low seed then there is a pattern. The coach needs to figure out why that is and make adjustments. We are the butt of jokes for a reason. Now we don't even make the tournament .
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Post by Cambridge on Mar 16, 2017 8:25:27 GMT -5
Watching these early games makes me think about how the college game has become almost unrecognizable when compared to the game played in the NBA. It wasn't always that way. Certainly, there has always been a huge talent gap between college and the NBA, but the style of the game was often very similar. That is just no longer the case. Part of that is the due to the way the college game is called. It is almost impossible to run man to man defense without getting into severe foul trouble. That means most teams run a mixture of various defensive systems like pack the line or zone. This is exactly the opposite of the NBA and allows teams to protect or compensate for smaller/less athletic defenders. In addition, college officials seem to be obsessed with calling off the ball and offensive fouls. I've seen games where teams have traded four or five possessions all of which were negated by a whistle on an illegal screen, over the back, or charge. No points scored by either team for 2 to 4 minute stretches. I've watched countless games where a team gets into the bonus before it's ever gotten to the foul line. That means that none of the seven fouls called were shooting fouls. Maddening. It's unwatchable. In any event, calling the college game this way essentially negates much of the athletic advantage the top tier teams used to have over mid majors. They can't simply use their athletic advantage to play aggressive man to man from 1-5, but now have to play team defense. In addition, their players get whistled for charges that would be blocking fouls in the NBA or questionable over the back calls. Adjusting to this requires good coaching, continuity, and effective recruiting of players rather than just athletes. This probably has little effect on the bluest of the blue bloods like Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, and Duke who will land 5 all-american recruits every year, meaning what they may lack in continuity is made up in a flush of talent. But it takes its toll on the next few tiers of schools. Those schools are lucky to land one or two 4 or 5 star recruits each year, so talent is not quite as good, players have more flaws. Continuity may also be a problem. This greatly reduces the gap between those schools and the mid majors. That results in "upsets" of these second and third tier elite teams by feisty mid-majors. If they keep calling the game this way, these upsets will become more and more common. It may be more exciting for those casual fans who tune in just to see a potential upset, but it will become more and more unwatchable for the diehards who tune in week in and week out to watch good basketball.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Mar 16, 2017 8:35:59 GMT -5
Watching these early games makes me think about how the college game has become almost unrecognizable when compared to the game played in the NBA. It wasn't always that way. Certainly, there has always been a huge talent gap between college and the NBA, but the style of the game was often very similar. That is just no longer the case. Part of that is the due to the way the college game is called. It is almost impossible to run man to man defense without getting into severe foul trouble. That means most teams run a mixture of various defensive systems like pack the line or zone. This is exactly the opposite of the NBA and allows teams to protect or compensate for smaller/less athletic defenders. In addition, college officials seem to be obsessed with calling off the ball and offensive fouls. I've seen games where teams have traded four or five possessions all of which were negated by a whistle on an illegal screen, over the back, or charge. No points scored by either team for 2 to 4 minute stretches. I've watched countless games where a team gets into the bonus before it's ever gotten to the foul line. That means that none of the seven fouls called were shooting fouls. Maddening. It's unwatchable. In any event, calling the college game this way essentially negates much of the athletic advantage the top tier teams used to have over mid majors. They can't simply use their athletic advantage to play aggressive man to man from 1-5, but now have to play team defense. In addition, their players get whistled for charges that would be blocking fouls in the NBA or questionable over the back calls. Adjusting to this requires good coaching, continuity, and effective recruiting of players rather than just athletes. This probably has little effect on the bluest of the blue bloods like Kentucky, UNC, Kansas, and Duke who will land 5 all-american recruits every year, meaning what they may lack in continuity is made up in a flush of talent. But it takes its toll on the next few tiers of schools. Those schools are lucky to land one or two 4 or 5 star recruits each year, so talent is not quite as good, players have more flaws. Continuity may also be a problem. This greatly reduces the gap between those schools and the mid majors. That results in "upsets" of these second and third tier elite teams by feisty mid-majors. If they keep calling the game this way, these upsets will become more and more common. It may be more exciting for those casual fans who tune in just to see a potential upset, but it will become more and more unwatchable for the diehards who tune in week in and week out to watch good basketball. I agree. The "freedom of movement" rules have been a disaster. I know I'm biased as a Hoya fan, since they've been particularly disastrous for us, but the rules have inserted a randomness into the game that didn't previously exist to the same degree. If you breathe on a guy going to the basket while dribbling, it's called a foul (but only half the time). To me, if you're in front of your man, and not using your hands to push him backwards, he shouldn't be able to drive into your body, even if you're not technically in position to take a charge. Said differently: it's virtually impossible to be an on-the-ball defender and not be at risk of a blocking foul when your man drives. The only way to defend it without fouling is to basically let him blow by and have someone else rotate over. I'm not in favor of those being charges either...they should just be play ons. The other piece that's changed is down by the basket when someone goes up. It used to be (and still is in the NBA) that if you basically jumped into someone you didn't get the call. Now, if that defender's hands are one degree east of vertical, it's called a foul. Which makes no sense.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 16, 2017 8:55:29 GMT -5
College basketball officiating and rule changes have ruined the game, which is borderline unwatchable many times.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Mar 16, 2017 9:12:46 GMT -5
Bingo!
There is more contact allowed in the NBA now. In addition, the college players don't have the same level of skill in being able to defend without fouling so the number of calls goes way up.I thought Providence killed themselves on the free throw line. This includes the first half when they built that 17 point lead. It easily could have been 20+.
It's been more than frustrating to watch bigs called for fouls simply because they don't have the agility to stop themselves from oncoming contact. It's changed the way players condition themselves. Remember that Chris Wright bulked up to give himself the strength to go inside. He lost some speed in the process, but that seemed like a good trade off at the time. Now of course he's changed his conditioning routine (in part a response to his medical condition) and he's become faster and more agile.
Personally, I think college should adopt NBA rules including a 3-second defensive violation. Of course, that won't happen. It would give the Isaiah Thomases of this world the freedom to get inside, but eliminate the silliest fouls.
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