eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 9, 2017 1:11:10 GMT -5
I wasn't saying they had a dirty program. I was inferring that by the fact that many of our supporters seem to think we run a clean program and that's more important to winning at these other programs insinuates everyone else is not. Meaning we don't win because others cheat. It wasn't meant to call out St. John's program as being dirty. Sorry for your confusion. Bro - Be real. I think you are struggling Bro if you don't see that but whatever.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 9, 2017 1:13:45 GMT -5
I guess I won't be seeing the Hoyas this year in the BET. But don't despair, we have made the NCAAs, only it is the track team on Friday and Saturday down in Texas.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 9, 2017 1:25:26 GMT -5
Nah dude, you're just a clown. Straight up. Been following your BS all season. You and guru actively root for this team to lose just so you can show up and push your agenda. Whether III gets fired or not, you two were embarrassing, and you made this board a straight up cesspool You are wrong and I can't say what I would call you though you call me names. Thanks for your posts. Appreciate you following my BS all season. I've enjoyed yours tonight. Why encourage him. We are going to get the same incessant dribble for the next 12 months anyways. It doesn't matter what your thoughts are regarding the current state of the program ,unless your seeing the world of GU hoops through his Eagle lense. Heck the only original thoughts you get from him anymore are in the brief quasi sarcastic responses to those who he believes disagrees with him.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 9, 2017 1:29:39 GMT -5
You are wrong and I can't say what I would call you though you call me names. Thanks for your posts. Appreciate you following my BS all season. I've enjoyed yours tonight. Why encourage him. We are going to get the same incessant dribble for the next 12 months anyways. It doesn't matter what your thoughts are regarding the current state of the program ,unless your seeing the world of GU hoops through his Eagle lense. Heck the only original thoughts you get from him anymore are in the brief quasi sarcastic responses to those who he believes disagrees with him. Hi Sleepy. That's the poster that hasn't had an original thought on this board but approaches 5k of this. Feeding off of those that do to try and take some credit and be remotely relevant. Good work Sleepy you are a treasure as I've mentioned. Real respect for you and your additions to the discussion. What would we do without your posts other than wonder what to say next.
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sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Mar 9, 2017 2:02:21 GMT -5
Listen Eagle I believe you have used that line before in fact you plagiarized most of it from me. I think I subtlety asked somewhere back in this thread or one of many others. What have you actually done to change the situation other than to post your onslaught here. Do you really derive some sick pleasure with your responses to what was at one time was a legitimate discourse on the subject. I honestly don't get it. I'm back home in CT after watching another disaster but I as opposed to you I had a few brief words with a power to be regarding the program. It was cordial professional with a response that one would expect. Then again its much easier throw your bombs here than to actually try to make a differnce. End discussion.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 9, 2017 2:23:16 GMT -5
Listen Eagle I believe you have used that line before in fact you plagiarized most of it from me. I think I subtlety asked somewhere back in this thread or one of many others. What have you actually done to change the situation other than to post your onslaught here. Do you really derive some sick pleasure with your responses to what was at one time was a legitimate discourse on the subject. I honestly don't get it. I'm back home in CT after watching another disaster but I as opposed to you I had a few brief words with a power to be regarding the program. It was cordial professional with a response that one would expect. Then again its much easier throw your bombs here than to actually try to make a differnce. End discussion. Sleepy, I don't plagiarize anything and not looking to get into it with you. But you want to show up and attack me for posting. Look if this board wasn't so defensive and would just call out what is happening it wouldn't be like this. Most here seem to feel the need to say coach should be here for many more years (or at least one more which everyone said last year and then repeated this year) as he's had success in the distant past, for fear we could become DePaul, saying it's about the student athletes and integrity more than winning, etc. No real fire in the program, or the admin to get after success at least that's the way it appears. If you are talking with a power from the university than maybe you could post on that conversation and give us something. The dismissal attitude that wants it both ways on this board is what's tiresome. I think we have an inferior mentality about this program as "no coach would view this as a good opportunity" or "we don't have the facilities of Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc. yet we put all of our efforts and budget into this one sport.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 9, 2017 7:42:06 GMT -5
Why did he "dodge" them? Just lost a heartbreaker in the BET, he answered just what I would expect. He lost how many games in a row and then a play-in game as the second to last seed in the conference? How bad of a heartbreaker is that? He should be prepared for that type of questioning especially after his last press conference being shut down by the SID. I know that many here gave up on this season weeks ago - for good reason - but the players and the staff did not. Did they have a belief that they could actually win the BET? Maybe, that is how players often think. But to end your season in a tournament with a one point loss, after missing 2 last second shots, is absolutely a heartbreaker under any circumstances. It is silly to deny that. I never said the presss should not ask the question. He answered it. I know that some here want to see him raked over the coals as much as possible, but he gave the answer I would expect ANY coach to give under those circumstances, so trying to be critical of his answer is baseless.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Mar 9, 2017 8:07:50 GMT -5
Non-call on obvious foul on Derrickson putback brought back painful memories of the same thing happening to Jerome Williams in 1996...also clearly LJ was fouled, but I guess you have to expect the refs to stop calling fouls at the very end.
Very proud of the effort...HOYA SAXA and I will be pumped up for the first game next November.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 9, 2017 8:11:13 GMT -5
The team will be no better next year. Perhaps worse, if Peak leaves.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 9, 2017 8:38:54 GMT -5
That was an exciting game. Our best performance in a few weeks in many ways, still fell short, p-p-p-pain!!! So proud of the team, fantastic effort even after losing a nice early lead, and a stretch of painful pratfalls. LJ was fantastic in the second half. Just kept fighting, what can you say? Throw away the records and the lowly status of both teams, there was a lot of high level ball. Ponds, oy, that kid is fantastic. I'm happy for the Johnnies with Mullin, they may be ending their stroll through the desert.
We were too tentative on the low post. Govan, Hayes and Derrickson all made some nice plays, but when you get set up down low, can feel the D on your back, you gotta take it strong, that's how you score, that's how you make good things happen when you don't. Our front court could not take advantage, which put us in a dogfight, and let the Johnnies guard play eke it out. Great game, more pain, really wanted the matinee today, ah well. Hopefully the guys stayed in town, and at least can get down to Katz's before heading home.
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bostonfan
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 9, 2017 9:26:53 GMT -5
This has been a very painful season for Hoya fans to watch. All year I have felt they lacked the ability to play with focus and intensity for an entire game and were way too casual with the ball which led to way too may turnovers. While I still think those issues exist on the team, it seemed last night that the team played very tentative for long periods and were almost waiting for something bad to happen to the team. Some passes were thrown and plays were attempted and it looked lie they were hoping they might work instead of making a confident play. I guess you can expect that to some degree with the disappointment they have endured all year but a team at this level has no chance if they don't play with confidence and some level of freedom.
I still believe this team has enough players to compete with just about everyone in the Big East, and they have at different points. You see that in flashes during games, when Pryor goes off making shots and then LJ just takes the game over and can't be stopped. You see Derrickson make post moves that the other team has no answer for and the obvious offensive talents of Govan. They clearly have some issues at the point guard position, but all teams have some issues and can use more talent and other teams find ways to compensate. The Hoyas just don't seem to be able to consistently use the talent and players they have to their optimal abilities. I have to believe this group would be a fantastic "pick up" team when they are just allowed to play free and let their skills come out but they seem to be in a system/program that just stifles them.
Improving recruiting and getting better players obviously will help, but finding a way to get the most out of what they have is just as important. There needs to be a change within the program to make that happen. Does that involve a new coach, I think it probably should, but if they don't change coaches they need to find something that gets the swagger back to this program.
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vv83
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Post by vv83 on Mar 9, 2017 10:26:59 GMT -5
This has been a very painful season for Hoya fans to watch. All year I have felt they lacked the ability to play with focus and intensity for an entire game and were way too casual with the ball which led to way too may turnovers. While I still think those issues exist on the team, it seemed last night that the team played very tentative for long periods and were almost waiting for something bad to happen to the team. Some passes were thrown and plays were attempted and it looked lie they were hoping they might work instead of making a confident play. I guess you can expect that to some degree with the disappointment they have endured all year but a team at this level has no chance if they don't play with confidence and some level of freedom. I still believe this team has enough players to compete with just about everyone in the Big East, and they have at different points. You see that in flashes during games, when Pryor goes off making shots and then LJ just takes the game over and can't be stopped. You see Derrickson make post moves that the other team has no answer for and the obvious offensive talents of Govan. They clearly have some issues at the point guard position, but all teams have some issues and can use more talent and other teams find ways to compensate. The Hoyas just don't seem to be able to consistently use the talent and players they have to their optimal abilities. I have to believe this group would be a fantastic "pick up" team when they are just allowed to play free and let their skills come out but they seem to be in a system/program that just stifles them. Improving recruiting and getting better players obviously will help, but finding a way to get the most out of what they have is just as important. There needs to be a change within the program to make that happen. Does that involve a new coach, I think it probably should, but if they don't change coaches they need to find something that gets the swagger back to this program. The only reason they were in the game until they end last night was because in the final minutes, Peak stopped running "the offense", and just attacked the basket successfully for 4 or 5 critical possessions. That is not a good long term plan, but it shows that the offense they run just does not work well on a consistent basis. As long as we are running a lot of the princeton sets in which the play starts with the foul line entry pass to the center - we are going to have problems. Unless we can recruit the next Nikola Jokic to play that position! and even then, it is still too easy to defense that set now that everyone has figured it out, even with a good passer playing the high post.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 9, 2017 10:48:11 GMT -5
Listen Eagle I believe you have used that line before in fact you plagiarized most of it from me. I think I subtlety asked somewhere back in this thread or one of many others. What have you actually done to change the situation other than to post your onslaught here. Do you really derive some sick pleasure with your responses to what was at one time was a legitimate discourse on the subject. I honestly don't get it. I'm back home in CT after watching another disaster but I as opposed to you I had a few brief words with a power to be regarding the program. It was cordial professional with a response that one would expect. Then again its much easier throw your bombs here than to actually try to make a differnce. End discussion. Sleepy, I don't plagiarize anything and not looking to get into it with you. But you want to show up and attack me for posting. Look if this board wasn't so defensive and would just call out what is happening it wouldn't be like this. Most here seem to feel the need to say coach should be here for many more years (or at least one more which everyone said last year and then repeated this year) as he's had success in the distant past, for fear we could become DePaul, saying it's about the student athletes and integrity more than winning, etc. No real fire in the program, or the admin to get after success at least that's the way it appears. If you are talking with a power from the university than maybe you could post on that conversation and give us something. The dismissal attitude that wants it both ways on this board is what's tiresome. I think we have an inferior mentality about this program as "no coach would view this as a good opportunity" or "we don't have the facilities of Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc. yet we put all of our efforts and budget into this one sport. eagle, might I suggest that you would get a little less push back if you stopped insisting on using inaccurate exaggerations to make your points? Saying that "most here seem to feel the need to say coach should be here for many more years" is glaringly wrong. At this point the significant majority, myself included, feel that it is time for a change. Even when you then restrict it to one more year, again, the majority do not feel that way. I think many of us are resigned to the fact that it will be at least one more year, but that does not mean we agree with it. Accept the fact that you were right about the direction of the program before almost anyone else. Go ahead and debate those who still disagree with you. But please stop trying to sell this "eagle against the board" scenario, 'cuz it just ain't so.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 9, 2017 11:48:40 GMT -5
FWIW, Bill Raftery was absolutely awesome last night. I was in LA last summer, and heard Vin Scully call a Dodger game, against the Giants no less, and it was such a treat. Took me back to my childhood. Raftery is approaching that kind of status, imo. Anyway, Raf was so great, Pryor having "spice and variety" driving to the hole, among many other pearls he dropped throughout he game. Do you think he sits around thinking this stuff up, or does he just come out with it? Me and my boys have been using variations of "Joey Brown, devastating from behind!" for over 25 years at this point. I am so happy he's the main man now, never ever understood why he wasn't calling the FF, Billy the Fudge absolutely sucked, Raf has been the best for a long, long time.
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miracles87
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Post by miracles87 on Mar 9, 2017 11:53:44 GMT -5
Sleepy, I don't plagiarize anything and not looking to get into it with you. But you want to show up and attack me for posting. Look if this board wasn't so defensive and would just call out what is happening it wouldn't be like this. Most here seem to feel the need to say coach should be here for many more years (or at least one more which everyone said last year and then repeated this year) as he's had success in the distant past, for fear we could become DePaul, saying it's about the student athletes and integrity more than winning, etc. No real fire in the program, or the admin to get after success at least that's the way it appears. If you are talking with a power from the university than maybe you could post on that conversation and give us something. The dismissal attitude that wants it both ways on this board is what's tiresome. I think we have an inferior mentality about this program as "no coach would view this as a good opportunity" or "we don't have the facilities of Kentucky, UNC, Duke, etc. yet we put all of our efforts and budget into this one sport. eagle, might I suggest that you would get a little less push back if you stopped insisting on using inaccurate exaggerations to make your points? Saying that "most here seem to feel the need to say coach should be here for many more years" is glaringly wrong. At this point the significant majority, myself included, feel that it is time for a change. Even when you then restrict it to one more year, again, the majority do not feel that way. I think many of us are resigned to the fact that it will be at least one more year, but that does not mean we agree with it. Accept the fact that you were right about the direction of the program before almost anyone else. Go ahead and debate those who still disagree with you. But please stop trying to sell this "eagle against the board" scenario, 'cuz it just ain't so. Ugh, why bother? They always play the same thing on that station, boring. Other than beating his little drum, not a source of interesting or accurate info.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Mar 9, 2017 12:17:58 GMT -5
The team will be no better next year. Perhaps worse, if Peak leaves. Perhaps? If Peak leaves, we will be absolutely horrible.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 9, 2017 12:53:43 GMT -5
One small game-related note. At Madison Square Garden, I was sitting a few seats away from two St. John's fans, seemingly in their late 20s/early 30s based on some of the things they were talking about. They were typical "homer" fans, in that every time St. John's got called for a foul they threw a fit, and every time our guys breathed on St. Johns, they thought it was a foul the other way.
In any case, when the incident happened where Mullin freaked and the double-technicals were assessed, one of these brain surgeons yelled something like, "Get out of here, these Georgetown players can't even read" and "These Georgetown players are trash, get them out of here." Aside from being in bad taste, I found it amusing that someone from St. Johns would criticize the intelligence of anybody from Georgetown, given that St. John's isn't exactly an academic powerhouse (and I'm talking about their regular students, not their basketball players).
Anyway, I hope there's a day where both teams are good enough (with us being better of course), so I can have good reasons to hate them.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 9, 2017 13:02:40 GMT -5
The team will be no better next year. Perhaps worse, if Peak leaves. Perhaps? If Peak leaves, we will be absolutely horrible. Not necessarily "horrible", although it might take a whole lot to get to "mediocre". Jessie and Marcus have the tools to be consistent major contributors; they need to work very hard on their moves inside, and definitely on agility. Jagan needs to shoot 500 jumpers a day. Waters can make everyone better if he does not try to do too much. Walker's grit might rub off on some other guys. And we might strike gold with another grad transfer or a late recruit. But it will take a lot. If JTIII stays on, he and his assistants will have to figure out much better ways to instill proper defense and rebounding fundamentals. And if Tremont can truly lead us, they need to adjust the offense to give him freedom.
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hoya95
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 9, 2017 13:09:38 GMT -5
One small game-related note. At Madison Square Garden, I was sitting a few seats away from two St. John's fans, seemingly in their late 20s/early 30s based on some of the things they were talking about. They were typical "homer" fans, in that every time St. John's got called for a foul they threw a fit, and every time our guys breathed on St. Johns, they thought it was a foul the other way. In any case, when the incident happened where Mullin freaked and the double-technicals were assessed, one of these brain surgeons yelled something like, "Get out of here, these Georgetown players can't even read" and "These Georgetown players are trash, get them out of here." Aside from being in bad taste, I found it amusing that someone from St. Johns would criticize the intelligence of anybody from Georgetown, given that St. John's isn't exactly an academic powerhouse (and I'm talking about their regular students, not their basketball players). Anyway, I hope there's a day where both teams are good enough (with us being better of course), so I can have good reasons to hate them. Yeah, I brought my mom to the game who has some trouble walking, and our mostly St. Johns section freaked out along with Mullin and started getting into it with some of the Georgetown fans in front of us. There was screaming and yelling, and some of the St. Johns people called security to try to get some Georgetown fans thrown out. They weren't successful. No fights broke out, but it was getting uncomfortably close. I really, really didn't need that at the time. So if there's more stuff like that, I can bring back my long dormant St. Johns hate.
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Post by seaweed on Mar 9, 2017 15:26:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I brought my mom to the game who has some trouble walking, and our mostly St. Johns section freaked out along with Mullin and started getting into it with some of the Georgetown fans in front of us. There was screaming and yelling, and some of the St. Johns people called security to try to get some Georgetown fans thrown out. They weren't successful. No fights broke out, but it was getting uncomfortably close. I really, really didn't need that at the time. So if there's more stuff like that, I can bring back my long dormant St. Johns hate. It's like they expected me to shut up just because the game was at "their house."
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