eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 1, 2017 0:41:46 GMT -5
Back to the Seton Hall game. As I said before, I was about seven rows back behind our bench (purchased through Tickemaster, which shows how well the Pirates draw, even when they are decent), so I got a pretty good view of the team throughout the game, during timeouts, etc. These are merely observations: - In the first half, on defense (when we were defending in front of our bench), JT3 frequently yelled instructions to our guys telling them where to be on rotations, etc. Interestingly, Agau did the same thing a few times. - Wallace and Ewing Jr. seem very actively involved. - I didn't see anything approximating bad body language. Even when we were down by 8 at one point, the guys seemed in it (and they did come back from that deficit), slapping hands, etc. - On one of the last possessions (around 01:12), Delgado scored and totally manhandled Govan. Hayes actually tried to check in for the possession, but the referees already blew the whistle. - The personnel substitutions were odd to me. Cameron did have a pretty good game offensively, though his defense was really atrocious (though as calhoya pointed out, if we sat everyone bad on defense we couldn't field a team). I would've liked to see more Kaleb Johnson. - The last play was obviously a mess. If you go back and look at it, Peak brings it up, hands off to Derrickson who passes to Govan, who passes to Cameron who then passes back to Peak, who passes to Pryor, who is less open than Peak (in person at the game, it looked like Peak was not open at all, similar to Pryor on his shot, but on TV it looks like Peak had a little more room). I don't know what happened here. Govan got the ball in a position where he couldn't shoot. I think Govan was then supposed to set up a screen after handing off to Peak, to free up Peak for a three point shot, but Govan missed his man, and so Peak was not open. So then we have Peak up top, with Govan to the right, Cameron setting up a screen in the high post, Derrickson out of position (eventually he cuts in toward the basket), and Pryor in the corner. When Cameron got the ball, Peak was actually more open than Pryor in the corner. Oh well, a bad play all around. - I firmly believe this group is trying hard. I saw a team listening to their coach, and trying to win, but they fell short. A bunch of turnovers down the stretch really killed us, especially Peak's foul on the three (especially since that was unlikely to go in). - It's a disappointing year, yet I am sad it's almost over. I still love college basketball and prefer to have it than not. Granted, I'd like a version that wins a lot more! Keep shuffling those chairs my friend. If you get your wish you'll have more of this show next year.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 1, 2017 0:44:32 GMT -5
Keep shuffling those chairs my friend. If you get your wish you'll have more of this show next year. How is this a response to anything I wrote? If you have something to say about the Seton Hall game, then fine. Otherwise, not sure how this is on topic at all.
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McBricks
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Post by McBricks on Mar 1, 2017 0:54:16 GMT -5
I'm sad. Is anyone else sad?
I want to be angry, but I'm not. I'm just sad.
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eagle54
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Post by eagle54 on Mar 1, 2017 0:54:57 GMT -5
Keep shuffling those chairs my friend. If you get your wish you'll have more of this show next year. How is this a response to anything I wrote? If you have something to say about the Seton Hall game, then fine. Otherwise, not sure how this is on topic at all. - In the first half, on defense (when we were defending in front of our bench), JT3 frequently yelled instructions to our guys telling them where to be on rotations, etc. Interestingly, Agau did the same thing a few times. He actually was coaching, that's really interesting and something we all needed to know.- Wallace and Ewing Jr. seem very actively involved. I would hope they were as they are getting paid.- I didn't see anything approximating bad body language. Even when we were down by 8 at one point, the guys seemed in it (and they did come back from that deficit), slapping hands, etc. Probably because all of the malcontents have been forced to transfer. The rest can't play and be developed. - On one of the last possessions (around 01:12), Delgado scored and totally manhandled Govan. Hayes actually tried to check in for the possession, but the referees already blew the whistle. That would've helped how?- The personnel substitutions were odd to me. Cameron did have a pretty good game offensively, though his defense was really atrocious (though as calhoya pointed out, if we sat everyone bad on defense we couldn't field a team). I would've liked to see more Kaleb Johnson. Odd, as in most games they are questioned for this.- The last play was obviously a mess. If you go back and look at it, Peak brings it up, hands off to Derrickson who passes to Govan, who passes to Cameron who then passes back to Peak, who passes to Pryor, who is less open than Peak (in person at the game, it looked like Peak was not open at all, similar to Pryor on his shot, but on TV it looks like Peak had a little more room). That's how it was drawn up players just didn't execute, how could that be on the coach?I don't know what happened here. Govan got the ball in a position where he couldn't shoot. I think Govan was then supposed to set up a screen after handing off to Peak, to free up Peak for a three point shot, but Govan missed his man, and so Peak was not open. So then we have Peak up top, with Govan to the right, Cameron setting up a screen in the high post, Derrickson out of position (eventually he cuts in toward the basket), and Pryor in the corner. When Cameron got the ball, Peak was actually more open than Pryor in the corner. Oh well, a bad play all around. Story of our year. - I firmly believe this group is trying hard. I saw a team listening to their coach, and trying to win, but they fell short. A bunch of turnovers down the stretch really killed us, especially Peak's foul on the three (especially since that was unlikely to go in). Story of our last many years. Doesn't matter, they continue to lose and that can't happen at this level.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 1, 2017 1:04:49 GMT -5
eagle, you're too funny. Sweet dreams.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Mar 1, 2017 2:18:51 GMT -5
Yea - and DFW has intimate knowledge of that contract and Georgetown's finances. Just like his knowledge of the WAG shirt process. Thanks for the insight. Post again real soon. A strange response to someone who has been on this Board since 1999. How about answering my initial simple and direct question to back up your statement about Geirgetown's lack of options? You have been killing III publicly on this Board for a decade and now throw out as if its fact that there is nothing the University can do. How do you know the details?
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Mar 1, 2017 5:18:52 GMT -5
The buyout question seems absurd to me. Let's say it's a full 5 years of a base of 2.5m and a new coach is 1m. We can pay 12.5m to be terrible but not 17.5m to possibly rebuild? Sunk costs.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 1, 2017 6:42:29 GMT -5
I'm sad. Is anyone else sad? I want to be angry, but I'm not. I'm just sad. The Hoya fans are simply going through the five stages of grief. Soon, you'll reach acceptance. The five stages, denial (can't believe we lost to FGCU, Ohio, etc) anger (why the hell can't III recruit better, why did III pass on Josh Hart!), bargaining (okay if we get Tremont Waters next year, we'll be okay -- game changer), depression (current stage) and acceptance (Georgetown will not fire III and he will not resign) are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the Hoya basketball program which we have lost.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 1, 2017 6:50:23 GMT -5
I'm sad. Is anyone else sad? I want to be angry, but I'm not. I'm just sad. The Hoya fans are simply going through the five stages of grief. Soon, you'll reach acceptance. The five stages, denial (can't believe we lost to FGCU, Ohio, etc) anger (why the hell can't III recruit better, why did III pass on Josh Hart!), bargaining (okay if we get Tremont Waters next year, we'll be okay -- game changer), depression (current stage) and acceptance (Georgetown will not fire III and he will not resign) are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the Hoya basketball program which we have lost. Beware the sixth stage: Apathy
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Post by prhoya on Mar 1, 2017 7:15:05 GMT -5
The Hoya fans are simply going through the five stages of grief. Soon, you'll reach acceptance. The five stages, denial (can't believe we lost to FGCU, Ohio, etc) anger (why the hell can't III recruit better, why did III pass on Josh Hart!), bargaining (okay if we get Tremont Waters next year, we'll be okay -- game changer), depression (current stage) and acceptance (Georgetown will not fire III and he will not resign) are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the Hoya basketball program which we have lost. Beware the sixth stage: Apathy Bewar of the seventh stage: don't go to the games, don't purchase season tickets and stop donations until there is change.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 1, 2017 7:16:44 GMT -5
The Hoya fans are simply going through the five stages of grief. Soon, you'll reach acceptance. The five stages, denial (can't believe we lost to FGCU, Ohio, etc) anger (why the hell can't III recruit better, why did III pass on Josh Hart!), bargaining (okay if we get Tremont Waters next year, we'll be okay -- game changer), depression (current stage) and acceptance (Georgetown will not fire III and he will not resign) are a part of the framework that makes up our learning to live with the Hoya basketball program which we have lost. Beware the sixth stage: Apathy Sadly, many fans have reached that stage given the declining attendance at Verizon Center and I assume a concomitant decrease in HHC membership. I'd also be interested to know how many Big East Tournament tickets Georgetown sold and how many will be returned to the conference as unsold.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 1, 2017 7:45:14 GMT -5
That was really bad last night. You need to get good shots after you call a time out and set up a play. The end of the game, JTIII calls two timeouts and his team can not get a good shot? ? That is just not acceptable at this level. If he draws up a play, they get a good shot and they miss the shot, then it is on the players, but if you can't draw up something to create a good shot, then that is not good coaching. I love LJ and think he is the by far the best player on the team, but he had a tough finish to the game last night. The block foul they called on him when he step in on Rodriguez was a tough call, but the turnovers at the end of the game really hurt. He sometimes tries to do too much and last night it hurt the team. I understand why he does it, because no one else seems to be able to make a play at the end of a game, but the other team is waiting for him and trying to split multiple defenders is problematic. He really works hard and I think he played almost the entire game last night and he looked out of gas at the end of the game. Same thing with a few of the other players, Derrickson and Govan both seemed winded. Is conditioning an issue with this team? I heard mention of it before the year started and there are times when they seem to be out of gas at the ned of games.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Mar 1, 2017 7:52:13 GMT -5
The ball should be in the hands of our PG in end of game situations. We don't have one, so P+P are asked to do too much. Dribbling is not either's stong suit.
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Post by calhoya on Mar 1, 2017 8:12:58 GMT -5
Peak needs to come back another year. He is not a finished product by any means. His heart and effort cannot be denied, but he still has a tendency to lower his head and make bull rushes into the lane, often generating a shot, but frequently resulting in a charge. As a unit this team has only a couple of ball-handlers and they are average at best.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 1, 2017 9:00:23 GMT -5
We have too many guys who are severely limited on offense, so our few scorers feel they have to do it all themselves in crunch time. Leads to turnovers and bad shots.
That is one area where Waters should help next season, assuming LJ stays.
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 1, 2017 9:05:08 GMT -5
That was really bad last night. You need to get good shots after you call a time out and set up a play. The end of the game, JTIII calls two timeouts and his team can not get a good shot? ? That is just not acceptable at this level. If he draws up a play, they get a good shot and they miss the shot, then it is on the players, but if you can't draw up something to create a good shot, then that is not good coaching. Boston I agree with your point but you can clearly see that with better execution 3s plays would've worked. Jesse throws a bad pass to LJ, nobody sets a good pick on the last play......the lack of rebounding at the end was on 3. That's not gonna change during the season. Marcus did go into beast mode for a 5 minute stretch but really has the mentality that "every reb is mine" on this team. I hope Antwan has that grit.....
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Post by hoyazeke on Mar 1, 2017 9:10:41 GMT -5
Peak didn't touch Dezi on that shot. He jumped pass the shooter......horrible call after the refs had been calling a really good game.....that play lost us the game.....horrible call!!!!! Just watched it again. He absolutely hit him. LJ even knew it. I didn't replay the game. I saw it live and thought LJ fouled and then they showed the replay and it looked to me that LJ jumped right beside Dezi. I was emotional after the loss so it could have been misdirected anger. I interpreted LJ's expression as "I can't believe you just called that". But now I can see how with Dezi being a lefty LJ could have bumped his shooting arm......
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 1, 2017 9:33:10 GMT -5
Just watched it again. He absolutely hit him. LJ even knew it. I didn't replay the game. I saw it live and thought LJ fouled and then they showed the replay and it looked to me that LJ jumped right beside Dezi. I was emotional after the loss so it could have been misdirected anger. I interpreted LJ's expression as "I can't believe you just called that". But now I can see how with Dezi being a lefty LJ could have bumped his shooting arm...… Hard to say if LJ actually hit him or not, but in that situation you can't even be close to fouling him on that 3. The ref does not want to call that foul and take a player off the hook for taking a long three at the end of the shot clock but if you hit him, or it looks like you hit him, then the ref has to make that call. That certainly looked like a tired foul. LJ knows what he is wants to do in that situation, just put a hand up and contest the shot, but when you are out of gas sometimes your body doesn't do exactly what you want it to do and you end up making a really bad foul!!
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Post by NCHoya on Mar 1, 2017 10:48:31 GMT -5
That was really bad last night. You need to get good shots after you call a time out and set up a play. The end of the game, JTIII calls two timeouts and his team can not get a good shot? ? That is just not acceptable at this level. If he draws up a play, they get a good shot and they miss the shot, then it is on the players, but if you can't draw up something to create a good shot, then that is not good coaching. To be considered even a competent coach, you have to get a shot off after a timeout. III has to coach THIS team and to their ability. If the players cannot run a complex play without screwing it up - why does III keep calling it? Why does III ask his players to do something they have demonstrated all year they cannot do? If all we can do is run something simple that results in an open jumpshot with too much time on the clock so be it. I would rather get a clean shot than nothing at all. III has to be flexible, sometimes you need to concede your team cannot make the right or best play, so you call a play that you know is not ideal, but at least it can be executed. This team is in desperate need of a leader. III should have played that role this year, but like his current players, he is not a leader by nature. Mosely was that guy in HS, but he is a freshman. Hopefully, Waters fills this void as a freshman next season since he seems to have the college ready skills to back it up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 13:51:38 GMT -5
I'm sad. Is anyone else sad? I want to be angry, but I'm not. I'm just sad. Seconded
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