Loyal Hoya
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 28, 2017 20:48:53 GMT -5
I thought Pryor should have come in at the 4 minute mark or so, perhaps coming out for defensive possessions.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 28, 2017 20:48:59 GMT -5
The Adminstration doesn't have the money to affect the change you are suggesting. To suggest otherwise is not grounded in reality. DFW - not sure I follow - are you saying JTIII's buyout is the problem? III has recently hired DFW and Frazier to represent him and just shared his contract with them.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 28, 2017 20:49:23 GMT -5
Yes, lets go and blame the players. I'm not one for blaming players and I think JT3 had a role in tonight's loss for multiple reasons, but you also can't ignore that the players are on the floor not JT3.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 28, 2017 20:50:14 GMT -5
I thought Pryor should have come in at the 4 minute mark or so, perhaps coming out for defensive possessions. I agree. The personnel substitutions were baffling. Cameron played way too much. Fouls again killed us.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 28, 2017 20:50:44 GMT -5
What are you talking about? This makes no sense. What are you talking about? Specifically. He's saying JT3 has a contract. Whether he's the coach or not he's getting paid. And Georgetown doesn't have the money to pay someone else. Yea - and DFW has intimate knowledge of that contract and Georgetown's finances. Just like his knowledge of the WAG shirt process.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 28, 2017 20:51:31 GMT -5
Its amazing how poorly this team executes after the last TV timeout. Awful turnovers. Foul a 3 point shooter. It seems like he does it once every single game. Slow lazy entry pass. Fumbling balls away.
I really dont know what to say about the last possession. Even if designed for MD it would have been tough to get a great look w the close out coming and his release. Going to rim quick seems like much better option there.
Credit to all of you who attend Saturday. As always i will be at the BET but for the first time ever (since 1989) im not feeling extremely excited about going.
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Post by jld54 on Feb 28, 2017 20:52:43 GMT -5
What are you talking about? This makes no sense. What are you talking about? Specifically. He's saying JT3 has a contract. Whether he's the coach or not he's getting paid. And Georgetown doesn't have the money to pay someone else. I do not know how many more years are on the contract or what the buyout would be. If the thought is that GU does not have the money to arrange an early departure, then it stil needs to decide what to do when the contract is up. The Administation has allowed the once very solid M lacrosse to deteriorate -- is is happy with the basketball program in this state long term?
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Post by guru on Feb 28, 2017 20:52:56 GMT -5
Yes, lets go and blame the players. I'm not one for blaming players and I think JT3 had a role in tonight's loss for multiple reasons, but you also can't ignore that the players are on the floor not JT3. I'm not one for blaming ingredients and I think the chef had a role in tonight's terrible meal for multiple reasons, but you also can't ignore that the ingredients are on the plate not the chef.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 28, 2017 20:54:16 GMT -5
I mean seriously, why on Earth would we not go for a quick 2 and foul immediately against A TEAM THAT RANKS 343rd IN THE COUNTRY AT FT SHOOTING? It just illustrates his complete lack of understanding of end-of-game strategy. Exactly. The problem is that who did we have to make that quick 2? Most teams we play have at least two maybe three guys who you could expect to make that shot. And two of those are the point guards. We have LJ. Can you imagine how Nova would have handled that last possession? Brunson or Hart or Divincenzo to the hoop or kick out to Jenkins for a three.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 28, 2017 20:55:59 GMT -5
I mean seriously, why on Earth would we not go for a quick 2 and foul immediately against A TEAM THAT RANKS 343rd IN THE COUNTRY AT FT SHOOTING? It just illustrates his complete lack of understanding of end-of-game strategy. Exactly. The problem is that who did we have to make that quick 2? Most teams we play have at least two maybe three guys who you could expect to make that shot. And two of those are the point guards. We have LJ. Can you imagine how Nova would have handled that last possession? Brunson or Hart or Divincenzo to the hoop or kick out to Jenkins for a three. I'm not saying we would have designed a proper play to actually get the quick 2 (though in that situation, Seton Hall will probably play matador D for the sake of not fouling, so it may not have been as difficult). I have no faith in that at all. All I'm saying is that was the correct call there. There were 14.6 seconds left, not 4.6 seconds. Mind-numbingly stupid. Plus if you go to the hoop for a quick 2 and miss, at least you have a chance to grab a board (unlikely vs. Delgado and Co. but at least there's a chance) and either get a putback, or kick out for a good look at the 3. There is absolutely no conceivable reason to waste 14 seconds and chuck up a last second prayer.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 28, 2017 20:56:17 GMT -5
DFW - not sure I follow - are you saying JTIII's buyout is the problem? III has recently hired DFW and Frazier to represent him and just shared his contract with them. Wow, touchy! We all know he has a contract. I don't know how long it runs, but others who know sone of these things have indicated it is for probably 2 more years. But at the same time, we are on the hook for it either way, so the only real additional expense would be the new coach's salary, which would presumably be a few hundred thousand.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 28, 2017 20:59:53 GMT -5
Jagan Moseley and Reggie Cameron outrebounded Jessie Govan.
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Post by JohnnyJones on Feb 28, 2017 21:00:11 GMT -5
III has recently hired DFW and Frazier to represent him and just shared his contract with them. Wow, touchy! We all know he has a contract. I don't know how long it runs, but others who know sone of these things have indicated it is for probably 2 more years. But at the same time, we are on the hook for it either way, so the only real additional expense would be the new coach's salary, which would presumably be a few hundred thousand. I admit I am touchy and I apologize for my attacks! Just super frustrated like everyone else- and I am on the road and I stayed up until 3am for that ending.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Feb 28, 2017 21:02:46 GMT -5
I'd be punchy too if i were refreshing from Berlin.....
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Post by DFW HOYA on Feb 28, 2017 21:05:21 GMT -5
He's saying JT3 has a contract. Whether he's the coach or not he's getting paid. And Georgetown doesn't have the money to pay someone else. Yea - and DFW has intimate knowledge of that contract and Georgetown's finances. Just like his knowledge of the WAG shirt process. Thanks for the insight. Post again real soon.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Feb 28, 2017 21:12:22 GMT -5
If JTIII should lose his job before Waters gets here it is entirely his fault. This is not a good team to run his Princeton offense, but he recruited the players. They are all complimentary players, no leaders. Even Peak is a good player but is not a player that can do what Waters did in his high school game last night. Take over and do what ever it takes for his team to win. In that final two minutes I kept asking who would step up and lead this team to a victory? As I saw Peak foul a shooter beyond the three point line with a 3 point lead, then proceed to turn the ball over on successive plays, my answer was no one. I hate to say it but there is no optimism that the Hoyas will win either of the next two games(Villanova and 1st BET game) so my attention now will be with a high school senior in his last high school game and the Jordan Brand Classic. If III is here next year his continued future and the revitalization of this great program rests on the shoulders of a 5'10" pg.
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Feb 28, 2017 21:17:50 GMT -5
So how many does this make? I count 5 games that we had won but blew in the last 2-3 minutes. Maryland, Butler, both Seton Hall games and DePaul. 20-13, instead of 15-18 and 9-8 instead of 5-12. NCAA bid and a quasi successful season. See you at the Nova game Saturday?
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Feb 28, 2017 21:18:51 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if there is not some kind of early termination clause in his contract. It might be expensive to trigger, but it is almost certainly less than the total remaining on the contract (otherwise why have a buyout at all?). And we could use the extra money freed up to move in a different direction.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 28, 2017 21:21:51 GMT -5
I'd be shocked if there is not some kind of early termination clause in his contract. It might be expensive to trigger, but it is almost certainly less than the total remaining on the contract (otherwise why have a buyout at all?). And we could use the extra money freed up to move in a different direction. JT3 re-upped his contract in 2013. Despite FGCU, he was in a very strong position to negotiate at the time. I find it hard to believe he doesn't have very favorable terms; in part because I think a scenario where he would be fired was not likely to happen. It's all speculation, but almost certainly any dismissal would warrant a large payout. Either way, it's a ton of money.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 28, 2017 21:28:40 GMT -5
Its amazing how poorly this team executes after the last TV timeout. Awful turnovers. Foul a 3 point shooter. It seems like he does it once every single game. Slow lazy entry pass. Fumbling balls away. I really dont know what to say about the last possession. Even if designed for MD it would have been tough to get a great look w the close out coming and his release. Going to rim quick seems like much better option there. Credit to all of you who attend Saturday. As always i will be at the BET but for the first time ever (since 1989) im not feeling extremely excited about going. Peak didn't touch Dezi on that shot. He jumped pass the shooter......horrible call after the refs had been calling a really good game.....that play lost us the game.....horrible call!!!!!
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