TBird41
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Post by TBird41 on Feb 23, 2017 12:51:15 GMT -5
I don't think for a moment that the plan was for Jessie to shoot a three. Our best player, LJ, had the ball. Jessie set a screen. Depaul wisely doubled LJ out of the screen;he was forced to give it up, and passed to Jessie, who had drifted to the 3-point line, but still had time to start toward the hoop. Nothing wrong with that play. The defense on the last play was depressingly bad, both in scheme and in execution. Agreed. I think Govan might actually be more comfortable shooting from behind the arc than from the elbow as well, so when he popped, he went to a spot he was comfortable with and that would give him some extra room to get a shot off. Honestly, I'm still shocked he airballed it.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 23, 2017 13:42:49 GMT -5
The moment may have been a touch too big for him; he hesitated, possibly deciding whether to move closer, then opted to launch the 3.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Feb 23, 2017 13:47:09 GMT -5
It was a good shot; he missed. But there is no decent argument that it was a bad play. The play yielded a fine shooter with a wide-open shot.
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 23, 2017 14:00:53 GMT -5
I can't totally agree with this statement. JT3 drew a play that got the teams 2nd best 3pt shooter a wide open top of the key shot. Jessie shoots an airball. That play isn't on JT3. The culture of losing is on JT3... No doubt that Govan was open, but why setup a play for a 3pt shot, which is not high percentage anyways? Not only was there a high chance of a missed shot, but a higher chance that the team would not get rebound off of a missed shot (both occurred). There was enough time to draw a play up for Peak on a drive to the rim, with how the game being called could have ended up with a made a basket or Peak getting fouled and going to the the free throw line . Truth be told, in that position if you have to draw a play for a player which one of these players do you want taking the last shot Peak, Pryor or Govan? Yes. This.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 23, 2017 14:09:02 GMT -5
I can't totally agree with this statement. JT3 drew a play that got the teams 2nd best 3pt shooter a wide open top of the key shot. Jessie shoots an airball. That play isn't on JT3. The culture of losing is on JT3... No offense, but if you think a three from Jesse Govan in a tie game with 23 seconds to operate is a good shot, I've got a bridge to sell you... I think an wide open shot from either of our 3 best players is a good shot? Didn't make that same shot against Butler? Only LJ can drive under those circumstances and he has a issue with charging. I didn't have a issue with shot selection...
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Post by hoyainla on Feb 23, 2017 14:10:56 GMT -5
We closed out two close games this year by spreading the floor and having LJ once and Mulmore's once just go to the basket. I don't trunk they were plays they were just instinctful by the players who rarely get a chance to do that. While the play last night wasn't that bad, it was sure far from optimal. They were smart and doubled LJ and the team had no idea what to do after that. As others have said Jesse wasn't quite sure what to do so he just shot it. That's where the lack of coaching comes in.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 23, 2017 14:19:05 GMT -5
No doubt that Govan was open, but why setup a play for a 3pt shot, which is not high percentage anyways? Not only was there a high chance of a missed shot, but a higher chance that the team would not get rebound off of a missed shot (both occurred). There was enough time to draw a play up for Peak on a drive to the rim, with how the game being called could have ended up with a made a basket or Peak getting fouled and going to the the free throw line . Truth be told, in that position if you have to draw a play for a player which one of these players do you want taking the last shot Peak, Pryor or Govan? It was a pick and roll and both defenders went with LJ. LJ made the right bball play to get the ball to the wide iopen Govan. Govan had space and time and might have taken a dribble in to get a better shot. Im not excusing the coach or the team for the loss, but I don't have an objection to the play call. Far more disturbing to me was the lack of any defender getting in front of and slowing down Billy Garrett Jr. Also if the ball hits the rim, that is probably 1.5-2secs off the clock. Probably go to OT with only 3secs left and DePaul needing to go the length of the court.....
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Post by McBricks on Feb 23, 2017 14:35:52 GMT -5
Watch just before Govan shoots. He looks bored and not at all interested in being on the court. Then he pops up to the 3 point line and decides to shoot. Not surprising that he airballed when you look at his body language prior to the shot.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 23, 2017 14:52:12 GMT -5
No doubt that Govan was open, but why setup a play for a 3pt shot, which is not high percentage anyways? Not only was there a high chance of a missed shot, but a higher chance that the team would not get rebound off of a missed shot (both occurred). There was enough time to draw a play up for Peak on a drive to the rim, with how the game being called could have ended up with a made a basket or Peak getting fouled and going to the the free throw line . Truth be told, in that position if you have to draw a play for a player which one of these players do you want taking the last shot Peak, Pryor or Govan? Yes. This. I know some people are okay with the shot but the bottom line is the consequences of the Jessie Govan missed shot: Controversy already swirling about your tenure, your career and legacy as a coach is on the line; you have 23 seconds in a tied game vs the conference's annual Scrubs of the Year and the play you draw up involves an option for your Center to take a 20ft plus jump shot. We all know how this ended, the point is how many people on this board are willing to bet their career and legacy on the chance of their Center making a 20ft plus jump shot over another option? All you have to do is respond back to this post and say I will take that bet.
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Post by guru on Feb 23, 2017 15:13:21 GMT -5
I don't see how that ball is out of bounds on derrickson This seems to have been completely overlooked in the post game discussion: I don't think that ball actually even went out of bounds, and thus it should have been our ball with 5 seconds left. This does not excuse how poorly we played and how cluelessly our coach navigated this game. And there was at least one egregious call down the stretch that went our way (the offensive on Garrett), but that seems to me like it was a missed call that really cost us. Besides being very bad at his job, our coach doesn't get much luck. Not a great combo. Not sure if he could have requested a replay there. Anyone?
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Post by aleutianhoya on Feb 23, 2017 15:17:24 GMT -5
Jiminy Christmas. I've got plenty to complain about with the defense and the last several offensive possessions of the game before the final one (including the one where Jesse made the fifteen footer). We didn't execute well at all. But the very last offensive possession? I think it was designed to put our players in the very best possible positions to do what they do best. Here's the set:
LJ has the ball and Jesse comes for the ball screen with LJ going left. On that same side, at the same time, Mulmore is screening down for Pryor who comes off the screen to the wing. On the opposite side, Marcus is hunting a weak-side corner three. The options here are, thus:
(1) LJ comes off the pick and goes all the way to the hoop or pulls up. I'm sure if they had done anything but double him he would have done this; (2) LJ goes all the way to the hoop but late help prevents a good shot and he swings the pass out for the corner three for Marcus (the classic NBA drive, draw, and dish play); (3) LJ comes off the screen, Pryor's man helps, and that leaves Pryor open for a J (or Pryor is wide open because of the screen and LJ spots him). (4) They double the screen, and that leaves Jesse open on the pick and pop. Pryor continues to come up along the three line as an outlet. Indeed, he's fairly open as Jesse prepares to shoot.
So...you've got a play set up where your best player has the ball in his hands, making the decision. Hard to argue with that. Your best shooter is coming off a down screen. Someone capable of making a catch-and-shoot three is spacing the floor and preventing a big man from helping. Another big is setting a screen, thus preventing the other defensive big from helping. Rather than having that big roll, we subsequently put him in the spot where he's probably best (catch and shoot from the top).
The timing of the play is essentially perfect. We're going to get an initial shot (and, in fact, do get an initial shot) with just enough time to potentially have an offensive rebound but not enough time for DePaul to get a rebound and realistically get it the length of the court. What happens? One of our better shooters throws up an air ball -- one of the few things that can mess with the timing. (And, let's stipulate that Marcus was not out of bounds, so that was a bad call, not that I have any right to complain after BS offensive foul moments earlier on Garrett -- one of the single worst offensive foul calls I've ever seen.)
We should never be in a position to need a late play to beat DePaul, especially at home. But it seems crazy to me to complain about the tactical set there, which for what it's worth, has absolutely nothing in common with any sort of Princeton set.
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Post by McBricks on Feb 23, 2017 15:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Feb 23, 2017 15:24:35 GMT -5
I know you're not drinking any Kool Aid, glide. What is in your glass? I feel asleep. I don't drink though. Maybe a shot here and there, but that's it. Hmmm. I think I'm do for one lol. After last night's game, I think we're all due for one!
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Post by guru on Feb 23, 2017 15:28:51 GMT -5
Do you think tonight's loss and losing the rest of our games including a first round BET game moves the needle at all? Yes. Outside of a few diehard supporters who have been upset for some time, the needle wasn't moving at all. Today, the public has woken up to the dismal state of Georgetown hoops. It was in Politico this morning, for goodness sake. All the DC sports stations have mentioned the embarrassment today - national reporters are tweeting about the situation. The needle didn't just move - it jolted last night. As painful as it is today, and maybe even for one more season - this could be a good thing for the long term future of the program.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 15:36:59 GMT -5
Lotta back-and-forth here about the last few minutes of the game. But this one was lost at the end of the first half, when we got canned to the tune of 17-2 before the break. Just a disastrous run of hoops there. But not one that's unfamiliar: we started the BE opener with a 16-2 deficit at Marquette.
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Post by Loyal Hoya on Feb 23, 2017 15:41:03 GMT -5
I don't see how that ball is out of bounds on derrickson This seems to have been completely overlooked in the post game discussion: I don't think that ball actually even went out of bounds, and thus it should have been our ball with 5 seconds left. This does not excuse how poorly we played and how cluelessly our coach navigated this game. And there was at least one egregious call down the stretch that went our way (the offensive on Garrett), but that seems to me like it was a missed call that really cost us. Besides being very bad at his job, our coach doesn't get much luck. Not a great combo. Not sure if he could have requested a replay there. Anyone? I think it was out on Govan on the air ball. It looked, to me, like the ball bounced on the end line before Marcus saved it.
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Post by lurkerhoya on Feb 23, 2017 17:47:06 GMT -5
And last night is just a microcosm: our last possession involves a three-point shot in a tie game coming out of a timeout by our third scoring option, DePaul's was a straight line drive by their best player, basically exactly what our play should have been...That's it in 23 seconds right there, basically the last several years. Poor decision by Govan; he had 5-6 seconds and a wide open lane to take it to the hoop. No offense, but if you think a three from Jesse Govan in a tie game with 23 seconds to operate is a good shot, I've got a bridge to sell you... I think an wide open shot from either of our 3 best players is a good shot? Didn't make that same shot against Butler? Only LJ can drive under those circumstances and he has a issue with charging. I didn't have a issue with shot selection... Given what we've seen, I think it's equally plausible that insofar as that's his decision, it's because he hasn't been coached any differently and wasn't instructed any differently. It's the same argument about the Mosley play against MD; either it was drawn that way (terrible) or he wasn't coached properly about what to do (also terrible). And if it's three, that both of them were just freelancing during key end of game situations in huge games in lieu of following sound coaching, then the ship is most definitely taking on water... Nothing about that play indicates any awareness that the obvious and yet still unstoppable play is to get the ball in the hands of one of your two best ball handlers and penetrators and get to the rim for a high percentage shot or high probability of a foul. In lieu of that, the obvious and unstoppable play is to coach the other 3 guys that if they get the ball, to get to the rim for a high percentage shot or a high probability of a foul. It was a tie game. Any whiteboard play should have had any of 5 arrows going directly towards the rim.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Feb 23, 2017 17:56:10 GMT -5
This seems to have been completely overlooked in the post game discussion: I don't think that ball actually even went out of bounds, and thus it should have been our ball with 5 seconds left. This does not excuse how poorly we played and how cluelessly our coach navigated this game. And there was at least one egregious call down the stretch that went our way (the offensive on Garrett), but that seems to me like it was a missed call that really cost us. Besides being very bad at his job, our coach doesn't get much luck. Not a great combo. Not sure if he could have requested a replay there. Anyone? I think it was out on Govan on the air ball. It looked, to me, like the ball bounced on the end line before Marcus saved it. Correct. This had nothing to do with Marcus. The ball clearly hits the endline after The Airball.
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Post by drquigley on Feb 23, 2017 18:00:01 GMT -5
Doesn't anyone here remember that almost exact same shot that Hibbert took to beat UCONN and win us the BE season championship about 7-8 years ago. At least Govan has taken and can make those shots but I believe it was only Hibberts 4th or 5th 3 of the year.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 23, 2017 18:50:39 GMT -5
Thanks to JTIII, This team has a Go Kart gas pedal.
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