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Post by This Just In on Feb 22, 2017 23:23:11 GMT -5
The ultimate embarrassment! Do you still think JTIII will know when to walk away?
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 22, 2017 23:25:41 GMT -5
The ultimate embarrassment! Do you still think JTIII will know when to walk away? Not a chance, $3m reasons not to if he knows this administration doesn't have the balls to take control of one of its assets and have it managed properly.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 22, 2017 23:29:06 GMT -5
Interesting tweets from Aaron Bowen (retweeted by Bobby Bancroft). AB might not be a JT3 fan...talking about karma. I think Bowen is still upset from his lack of playing time, i.e. his minutes went up and down from game to game.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 22, 2017 23:32:07 GMT -5
Can someone tell me how Trey Mourning playing is going to make worst! It may not make it worse but JT3 is in the business of making it better. Trey wouldn't give a shot at being better outside of appeasing some fans.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 22, 2017 23:34:33 GMT -5
Can someone tell me how Trey Mourning playing is going to make worst! It may not make it worse but JT3 is in the business of making it better. Trey wouldn't give a shot at being better outside of appeasing some fans. How do we know because these others have been so great? And save this coach's judgement.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 22, 2017 23:37:09 GMT -5
It may not make it worse but JT3 is in the business of making it better. Trey wouldn't give a shot at being better outside of appeasing some fans. How do we know because these others have been so great? And save this coach's judgement. At this point everything that III does is up for 2nd guessing and debate. He no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 22, 2017 23:41:25 GMT -5
FS1 post game just put nail in us barring a BET win.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 22, 2017 23:43:37 GMT -5
FS1 post game just put nail in us barring a BET win. What do you see now, 8-10 or 7-11 going down the final stretch?
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 22, 2017 23:44:27 GMT -5
FS1 post game just put nail in us barring a BET win. What do you see now, 8-10 or 7-11 going down the final stretch? See my updated thread which I'll now update.
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Post by krukster201 on Feb 23, 2017 0:31:25 GMT -5
Lucky if we win another game TBH .. St. Johns will beat us for starters. I'm not going to that game regardless, can't stomach it anymore. This season been over. All types of mixed feelings for me. Embarrassing
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 23, 2017 0:32:42 GMT -5
Wish we could get some actual discussion about the Hoyas-Depaul game, rather then an echo chamber for two posters...
Terrible loss. Probably our worst loss all season. JT3 deserves zero benefit of a doubt and the entire loss on is on his shoulders after blowing the 1st half lead. I'm sure he tried to tell the guys they're doing well and have it in the bag but no Div-1 game is in the bag until the whistle blows. A lot of guys were forcing it today and needed to reign it in. Unfortunately, it's win some/lose some: you let the guys play and they don't play well, you get blamed / you restrict the guys to the planned offense, you get blamed. Either way, it is ultimately JT3's fault and he needs to know his player's skills and psyche.
Had we just continued as we started we would have been fine but yet again in a game we were leading, we got complacent and let a lesser team back into it. You can blame a lot on Peak's ineffectiveness but it was yet another game where JT3 was slow to adjust outside of telling the guys "good start". It was good to see Derrickson get involved and start putting the ball on the court to get easy lay-up/fouls but we needed it sooner. He definitely shied away from the outside shot but even a single made perimeter shot would have helped. Agau limited himself from jump shots well but that final foul going to the basket was killer. Kaleb had a solid (if not invisible) game.
This year, this team will never win without 3 star players on offense. Too often we've been stuck at 2 1/2 contributors. Yet again it leads to a loss. We have multiple players on this team to be that 3rd scoring option (or improve their teammates) and no one can step up consistently. Both Peak and Pryor have gotten the ball into the basket but we need guys willing to step up on offense, let alone the effort that is needed by everyone on defense.
I do think JT3 will be our coach for an additional season but no one can deny his seat is hot and will be nearly on fire before next year even begins.
Now that the season is more or less over, maybe we can actually discuss the play on the court more in game threads and during the game...
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 23, 2017 0:35:13 GMT -5
Wish we could get some actual discussion about the Hoyas-Depaul game, rather then an echo chamber for two posters... Terrible loss. Probably our worst loss all season. JT3 deserves zero benefit of a doubt and the entire loss on is on his shoulders after blowing the 1st half lead. I'm sure he tried to tell the guys they're doing well and have it in the bag but no Div-1 game is in the bag until the whistle blows. A lot of guys were forcing it today and needed to reign it in. Unfortunately, it's win some/lose some: you let the guys play and they don't play well, you get blamed / you restrict the guys to the planned offense, you get blamed. Either way, it is ultimately JT3's fault and he needs to know his player's skills and psyche. Had we just continued as we started we would have been fine but yet again in a game we were leading, we got complacent and let a lesser team back into it. You can blame a lot on Peak's ineffectiveness but it was yet another game where JT3 was slow to adjust outside of telling the guys "good start". It was good to see Derrickson get involved and start putting the ball on the court to get easy lay-up/fouls but we needed it sooner. He definitely shied away from the outside shot but even a single made perimeter shot would have helped. Agau limited himself from jump shots well but that final foul going to the basket was killer. Kaleb had a solid (if not invisible) game. This year, this team will never win without 3 star players on offense. Too often we've been stuck at 2 1/2 contributors. Yet again it leads to a loss. We have multiple players on this team to be that 3rd scoring option (or improve their teammates) and no one can step up consistently. Both Peak and Pryor have gotten the ball into the basket but we need guys willing to step up on offense, let alone the effort that is needed by everyone on defense. I do think JT3 will be our coach for an additional season but no one can deny his seat is hot and will be nearly on fire before next year even begins. Now that the season is more or less over, maybe we can actually discuss the play on the court more in game threads and nd during the game... You'd rather shuffle the chairs in this big Depaul matchup then look at the bigger picture. No one cares about this game and analyzing it. We lost to the doormat and now are the doormat. Big picture, Get a clue.
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Post by grandmahoya on Feb 23, 2017 0:56:57 GMT -5
Watching Jesse's body language at the post game interview was truly heartbreaking and it made me very sad. I care about these players and feel that with the proper coaching and motivation, the season might have turned out very differently. After all, we were picked to finish fourth in the BE, originally. I hope that JT3 takes it upon himself to bow out gracefully, with dignity, and let another coach re-establish this program to the high level that it once was.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 23, 2017 1:03:23 GMT -5
Wish we could get some actual discussion about the Hoyas-Depaul game, rather then an echo chamber for two posters... Terrible loss. Probably our worst loss all season. JT3 deserves zero benefit of a doubt and the entire loss on is on his shoulders after blowing the 1st half lead. I'm sure he tried to tell the guys they're doing well and have it in the bag but no Div-1 game is in the bag until the whistle blows. A lot of guys were forcing it today and needed to reign it in. Unfortunately, it's win some/lose some: you let the guys play and they don't play well, you get blamed / you restrict the guys to the planned offense, you get blamed. Either way, it is ultimately JT3's fault and he needs to know his player's skills and psyche. Had we just continued as we started we would have been fine but yet again in a game we were leading, we got complacent and let a lesser team back into it. You can blame a lot on Peak's ineffectiveness but it was yet another game where JT3 was slow to adjust outside of telling the guys "good start". It was good to see Derrickson get involved and start putting the ball on the court to get easy lay-up/fouls but we needed it sooner. He definitely shied away from the outside shot but even a single made perimeter shot would have helped. Agau limited himself from jump shots well but that final foul going to the basket was killer. Kaleb had a solid (if not invisible) game. This year, this team will never win without 3 star players on offense. Too often we've been stuck at 2 1/2 contributors. Yet again it leads to a loss. We have multiple players on this team to be that 3rd scoring option (or improve their teammates) and no one can step up consistently. Both Peak and Pryor have gotten the ball into the basket but we need guys willing to step up on offense, let alone the effort that is needed by everyone on defense. I do think JT3 will be our coach for an additional season but no one can deny his seat is hot and will be nearly on fire before next year even begins. Now that the season is more or less over, maybe we can actually discuss the play on the court more in game threads and nd during the game... You'd rather shuffle the chairs in this big Depaul matchup then look at the bigger picture. No one cares about this game and analyzing it. We lost to the doormat and now are the doormat. Big picture, Get a clue. I'll analyze the bigger picture elsewhere. Get a clue. Try reading the post too.
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Post by This Just In on Feb 23, 2017 2:00:58 GMT -5
DePaul broke a couple of generational old streaks tonight:
1. First win at Georgetown for DePaul since February 3, 1991.
2. This is DePaul's 2nd win at Georgetown since the 1949/50 season.
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Post by hoyazeke on Feb 23, 2017 7:35:57 GMT -5
The only positive from last night is that I will officially give up on the season. I just hope LJ comes back for his senior year......I am also officially on the JT3 has to go team. The only reason to bring him back is if the firing affects the Tremont signing.....but I think I'm willing to sacrifice Tremont at this point. There is too much talent on this team to be on the bubble let alone out of the tourney....sans some remarkable run through the BET.....
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Post by HoyaFanNY on Feb 23, 2017 7:50:07 GMT -5
this is easily the laziest team i have seen in my almost 35 years of being a fan. you have a center that completely ignores defense. govan kills this team defensively. he provides nothing on the back end, constantly leaves his man wide open instead choosing to chase the ball 25 ft from the basket and is allergic to rebounding at times. meanwhile, mourning is a guy that at least will give you an effort but he can't see the floor. agau gives the team a rebounding force but then on offense he thinks he's lebron at times and turns the ball over way too much instead of just operating in the paint where he is actually effective. the 2 'best' players peak and pryor don't care about defending nearly enough and often ignore defensive rebounding. pryor just let garrett drive right past him on the last play. he didn't offer one bit of defense. didn't try to draw a charge. nothing. matador defense.
the final possessions offensively were laughable. either the coaches are clueless coming up with these offensive sets or the players are completely going off script on their own. either way, something has to change. people can no longer say that we are not depaul.
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Post by calhoya on Feb 23, 2017 8:08:40 GMT -5
The saddest part of last night's game is that it gave some the opportunity to denigrate someone I believe to be a good man and a good representative of the university. A big part of the blame goes to the coach, himself, who has proven to be stubborn and inflexible in his approach to the game and failed until lately to adapt to the changing environment in college basketball. Nevertheless, it is unfortunate that this situation has come to this point where the longer that he stays the more his contributions will be tarnished by what will appear to be either ego or greed. He has not been performing to the level of his salary for several years. He has been given the opportunity and has promised change. It's easy to watch these losses and blame the players, but that is a cheap out for those who still try to justify the performance of the coach. He is the only constant over the past 4 years.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 23, 2017 8:31:46 GMT -5
WOW. Even if they found a way to hang on and win last night it was still an embarrassing effort. How does this team show up and not play with more energy and focus is a game they have to win to have any chance to make the tournament. It seemed like they played with some sense of urgency at the start of the game and then were just going through the motions for the rest of the game. Depaul is not a good team, but they are still D-1 players and if you give them enough confidence that they have a chance then they are going to make some plays.
Shocking how many times there were multiple Hoyas just standing aground watching Depaul players beat them to loose balls and rebounds. When did this Hoya team get the idea they could play with less than 100% effort and beat anyone!!
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Post by GUJook97 on Feb 23, 2017 8:43:15 GMT -5
Let's see...We are down by 1 to Maryland with 4 seconds left. Our best ball handler, dribble penetrator and scorer in bounds the ball to a kid who is playing his second college basketball game. The kid drives down court and get stuffed. DePaul meanwhile has their best scorer in bound the ball to a guy who gets it back to him, drives unstopped down court where he is fouled with .2 seconds left. Kinda says it all doesn't it? Yeah, you'll never convince me that it's more complicated than this. For all our flaws, we've lost every close game because of dumb play calling. If people don't think that's about coaching, I don't know what to tell you.
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