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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2017 10:55:30 GMT -5
The Hoyas have the same record as last year through February 19th (14-13).
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Feb 20, 2017 11:22:11 GMT -5
Forgive me for not reading much of the earlier pages. But man, that was a lot of clanking iron. that was just horrible shooting. Maybe the week's worth of rest amounted to rust.
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Post by lda05816 on Feb 20, 2017 12:53:39 GMT -5
Creighton made the adjustment from the first meeting on our blitzing of the ball screens. Then we went to the switch everything defense, which killed us. It makes it so easy for the opponent to get the mismatch they want and exploit it. Thought we should have went zone to at least try something else.
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Post by krukster201 on Feb 20, 2017 13:04:01 GMT -5
Call it HYPE all you want , but bottom line .. T.Waters can:
A. Shoot the rock B. Get to hole C. Find the open man D. Handle the rock E. Run an offense F. Play D and Takes No nights off
Not saying he's the ANSWER/Savior from day 1. Nor am I saying he won't have off nights or difficulties adjusting to the next level. This kid is good and Waters should start from day 1. Having a legit PG is a big difference from what we've been seeing this year. We need another SG that is capable of knocking down shots. This team has been terrible from beyond the arc. Not sure what the final stat was from 3 .. but I do remember seeing 3-24 smh disgusting
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 20, 2017 13:24:49 GMT -5
What Krukster said ^^^. Any offense is going to look disheveled if it is not clear who is running it. There were times yesterday when the players didn't seem to know when to attack the basket. There have been close games where it looked like the players didn't know what to do with the time they had left. We don't have a PG who draws a double team, and even worse they are left open. Waters also can shoot the ball well enough to make up for off offensive nights for the team. All of this will make the offense flow more easily.
He's not the savior, but gosh he will help alot.
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Post by FLHoya on Feb 20, 2017 14:43:36 GMT -5
The Hoyas have the same record as last year through February 19th (14-13). What's more: We've played 14 Big East games so far this season, and 12 of the 14 results are the same as last year. The only differences are at Xavier (W last year) and at Butler (W this year), and those games are almost interchangeable. If the results the rest of the way go according to the current win probabilities, we'll finish with the same conference record (7-11) and 16 of the 18 results the exact same as last season. After all the talk in the offseason of things being different, changing the offense, refocusing on defense, bringing in Rodney Pryor and two guys at the lead guard position...what the heck has it all amounted to?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 20, 2017 16:44:29 GMT -5
The Hoyas have the same record as last year through February 19th (14-13). What's more: We've played 14 Big East games so far this season, and 12 of the 14 results are the same as last year. The only differences are at Xavier (W last year) and at Butler (W this year), and those games are almost interchangeable. If the results the rest of the way go according to the current win probabilities, we'll finish with the same conference record (7-11) and 16 of the 18 results the exact same as last season. After all the talk in the offseason of things being different, changing the offense, refocusing on defense, bringing in Rodney Pryor and two guys at the lead guard position...what the heck has it all amounted to?But that's just it, NOTHING HAS REALLY CHANGED! As late as early December, JT3 was stating the team was going to be a full court pressing team that was aggressive and fast on both defense and offense. The team isn't doing any of that with any consistency. The team at times will show a press at the beginning of games and situationally but doesn't do it with any aggression until the end of games when the team is trying to battle back from a deficit. JT3 has made small tweaks to the offense this season from last but he has done that every year he has been the Hoyas coach regardless of a Final 4 or a 15-18 record. DSR and Pryor are pretty much an even swap in terms of overall production. Only difference is Pryor is much more athletic and that athleticism makes it easier for him to score at times but Pryor settles for jumpers nullifying his athletic advantages. Mulmore and Mosely are freshman in terms of playing at the BIG EAST level experience and both have had good moments and bad as any other freshman or 1st year players do. They aren't the focal points of the offense and were probably never expected to be. My my issue is that JT3 doesn't seem to trust his own judgment. You can see that in both the Micro and Macro levels. On the Macro level JT3 talked all spring, summer and fall about major changes but the changes have been minimal at best. We start the season pressing like crazy and having some success. As the season progressed, he slowly backed away to this aggressive style of play and by the end of December he's scrapped it. Same for the offense, we started the season with the Princeton and some ball screen actions and a dribble weave and was blending them well in terms of usage. As the season progressed the usages of the other offensive looks have dwi and Now we are back to being Princeton reliant with a sprinkle here and their of the other offensive looks. On a micro level you can watch the games and see JT3 throw out the game plan in the early minutes if it's not working. Early in the season we would start games pressing and if it gives up a 1 or 2 layups he scraps completely. We've witnessed games where the team has forced turnovers early in the press, not given up easy buckets and JT3 will still scrap the press without rhyme or reason. Yesterday it was trapping the high ball screen action. After giving up a couple of layups, he scrapped completely. Instead of maybe tweaking it he gives up on it. JT3 does the same with the distribution of playing time outside of Peak and Pryor which hurts the team within games and the players development long term. Any basketball player that has played at a high level will tell you it's hard to play with confidence if you're constantly looking over your shoulders to see if your being taken out the game especially if you don't have a clue if you're going to get back in the game. Great Coachs teams have an identity year in year out. Villanova is a 4 guard high level offensive execution, 3/4 court press that will turn you over and controlled tempo. Huggy Bear Huggins at West Virginia is Press Virginia. Boheim (yeah I know ) has the aggressive and always morphing Syracuse 2/3 zone. Chris Mack's Xavier has the 1/3/1 zone and a down hill get to the rim and a dominant rebounding team. JT3's father JT Jr. Hoyas teams had a very powerful aggressive identity on offense and a physical in your face dominant defense and rebounding teams. What's Georgetown's identity today? The passive Princeton offense? In terms of all those coaches I mentioned, you never see them scrap the game plan 5 minutes into the game. They tweak it to adjust to how the opponent is attacking the game plan and are constantly making tweaks as they game is going on. Press Virginia doesn't stop pressing 5 minutes into the game after a couple of layups by the other team. Syracuse doesn't go into a man to man defense after giving up a couple of perimeter buckets. They tweak their game plans and it and JT3 scraps his. I would be okay with this team's struggles this year if there was significant changes in style of play in an effort to create an identity. If we were pressing and pushing the ball attacking the rim all the time and we were 14-13 I'd be okay with that because it takes time to forge a new style of play, a new identity. West Virginia didn't become Press Virginia overnight. A lot of people initially thought Villanova could win with a 4 guard offense when they started the small ball revolution. Obviously Jay Wright was way ahead of the curve. It takes time to create an identity! Ben Standig asked JT3 recently what this team's identity was and JT3 deflected saying (paraphrasing) I'll leave that up to the media to decide. All last spring, summer and fall he stated what this team's identity would be, now he is deflecting away from the question leaving it to the media to decide. A very passive answer from a coach who plays a very passive style and team. Even JT3 knows this team has no identity and that's the problem.
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Post by huskerpower on Feb 20, 2017 18:03:21 GMT -5
A quick spin from me(fwiw). Not a very well played game yesterday for sure. 2 things I think that contributed to this were: 1) 8 days off is NOT good. Hell the pros don't even play well coming back from an extended time off from game action, 2) the travel plans were totally blown up. My wife and I were in contact(text) with Akoy Saturday evening around 5:30ish and they hadn't left there rooms yet for the airport. They were supposed to have arrived around 3 that afternoon in Omaha. They had practice until 11'ish(or later)that nite. Not making excuses, just saying I feel these factors played into the game somewhat.
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 20, 2017 19:03:16 GMT -5
Yo Husker, you're buds with Akoy? Do me a favor, tell him Miracles'87 loves watching him play ball! Seriously, I know yesterday wasn't what he hoped, but he plays hard with tremendous talent and desire, and I know he's just getting started. I have no doubt Akoy is going to make his mark at Georgetown, and I will be cheering all the way!
Thanks!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Feb 20, 2017 19:54:46 GMT -5
A quick spin from me(fwiw). Not a very well played game yesterday for sure. 2 things I think that contributed to this were: 1) 8 days off is NOT good. Hell the pros don't even play well coming back from an extended time off from game action, 2) the travel plans were totally blown up. My wife and I were in contact(text) with Akoy Saturday evening around 5:30ish and they hadn't left there rooms yet for the airport. They were supposed to have arrived around 3 that afternoon in Omaha. They had practice until 11'ish(or later)that nite. Not making excuses, just saying I feel these factors played into the game somewhat. Huskerpower thanks for the insight! There is no doubt in my mind the travel delays and late practice had an affect on the team's legs and play. More reason not to take 22 3's and for Pryor to attack the rim more like he did in the DC matchup but I digress. I personaly thought Agau played extremely hard as he usually does. Maybe even harder then he usually does. Were some of his turnovers a little frustrating? Sure but they weren't all his fault and they were born out of extreme effort and not lazy turnovers. As he continues to get healthier and more comfortable in his usage, he's going to get better and better and the turnovers will be minamized. Remember he is playing 2 positions, the 4 & 5, and has to understand his role and the nuances within the offense at both positions so mistakes will happen. It's also his first BIG EAST go around. His game and intensity reminds me so much of the versatility that Patrick Ewing Jr. brought to the table for the Hoyas. You can tell he is getting close to 100% if he's not their yet off the knee injury. Outside of the handful of highlight videos from his high school days, it's hard to gauge how athletic Agau was. I can tell he must have been blessed athletically before the injury as he's getting back to that as the season progresses. He's this team's best overall defensive BIG. He gave Patton some problems on both ends of the floor. I think he's going to be even better for this team going forward and into next year as he will be able to get stronger and more athletic as he trains instead of rehabs. It's probably time for him to return to the starting lineup. Either way, he's a huge asset and gives this team great versatility at the 4/5 going forward for this team. I actually think that the team would be better served when Agau and Derrickson are in the game together, play Derrickson at the 5 within the offense and Agau at the 4. It would really free up Derrickson giving him the say looks in the offense that Govan gets an open up the offenses and cutting lanes for the rest of players on the floor.
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Post by huskerpower on Feb 20, 2017 20:11:28 GMT -5
Yo Husker, you're buds with Akoy? Do me a favor, tell him Miracles'87 loves watching him play ball! Seriously, I know yesterday wasn't what he hoped, but he plays hard with tremendous talent and desire, and I know he's just getting started. I have no doubt Akoy is going to make his mark at Georgetown, and I will be cheering all the way! Thanks! Not exactly buds. We consider our relationship as "family". Akoy would tell you the same. I will pass along the message. You are correct, not what he wanted, but his play wasn't terrible. Credited with 5 TO's but 1 was a blown officiating call on a kicked ball. One other was Derrickson mistaking Akoy for a streaking guard at half-court. I would agree with JT3's assessment of Akoy being a little over zealous yesterday. One thing to remember, this is the first time in 2 years he is healthy and it is definitely starting to show. No Georgetown people see it but I can as I know what he was before injuries. You will NEVER be able to call him out for lack of effort. FWIW I had the pleasure of meeting Copeland yesterday.
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Post by hoyarooter on Feb 20, 2017 20:12:44 GMT -5
Too many turnovers, bad 3 point shooting (again), and no answer for Foster. Not good. And who is that imposter posing as Marcus Derrickson? Not much changed from half to half, did it?
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 20, 2017 20:29:51 GMT -5
Earlier in the season, Akoy was having trouble staying on the floor. He was having trouble adjusting to the rules. It is important to remember that he is not only regaining full strength but he is also readjusting to playing in the first place. It had been two years, three if you count the time he spent on Louisville's bench. I just love him. He's a fantastic ambassador for the program.
So I second what Hoyas4Ever and miracles87 say. Let him know he has some enthusiastic fans.
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Post by miracles87 on Feb 20, 2017 21:25:53 GMT -5
Too many turnovers, bad 3 point shooting (again), and no answer for Foster. Not good. And who is that imposter posing as Marcus Derrickson? Not much changed from half to half, did it? My goodness, Marcus does need to get going. Get him some touches on the block, a FT or two could get him untracked! Bottom line, he has not been his best this year, seems like he needs to give himself a break, take a deep breath, trust his shot, and let it fly. Marcus has a beautiful high arcing shot, and they've been forced and flat all year. Wing it Marcus!
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Feb 20, 2017 21:33:36 GMT -5
Not much changed from half to half, did it? My goodness, Marcus does need to get going. Get him some touches on the block, a FT or two could get him untracked! Bottom line, he has not been his best this year, seems like he needs to give himself a break, take a deep breath, trust his shot, and let it fly. Marcus has a beautiful high arcing shot, and they've been forced and flat all year. Wing it Marcus! I agree with this. Marcus does seem to be pushing it and needs to give himself a bit of a break. Though, I think the remedy is to begin to fight inside the paint, instead of taking those threes. Once he gets going on the inside, the rest of the game will come.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 20, 2017 22:45:21 GMT -5
Typical of this team to get you excited they are on to something. Nice no show today with their backs against the wall. No light at the end of this tunnel when Pryor and Peak don't come back no matter how good the hypsters on this board tout this PG. Wasn't a "no show"; Just lost. There is light at the end of the tunnel. need to stop switching; they're not good at it - Though known as a flexible coach, JTIII has shown to be really inflexible at times.
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Post by dreamhoya on Feb 20, 2017 22:48:22 GMT -5
guys....my apologies in advance for not reading the previous 14 pages on this thread. My concern going into this game was that we were going to be overly reliant on Jessie as if we discovered a new secret recipe. Jessie was clearly our first option and as a result we could never get going. He does much better as a 2nd or 3rd option and so does our offense. Other thoughts. Mulmore seems to have taken a step back in his ability to push and create offense. Mosely seemed to be playing downhill and did a better job at making things happen. I thought Johnson did a nice job. Other than that, you can pretty much stick a fork in us in terms as the ncaa's are concerned. There is always next year. if, by some strange reason JTIII goes optimized for defense, this team could squeak in. But he won't.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 20, 2017 23:17:00 GMT -5
My goodness, Marcus does need to get going. Get him some touches on the block, a FT or two could get him untracked! Bottom line, he has not been his best this year, seems like he needs to give himself a break, take a deep breath, trust his shot, and let it fly. Marcus has a beautiful high arcing shot, and they've been forced and flat all year. Wing it Marcus! I agree with this. Marcus does seem to be pushing it and needs to give himself a bit of a break. Though, I think the remedy is to begin to fight inside the paint, instead of taking those threes. Once he gets going on the inside, the rest of the game will come. The problem is that every game Marcus gets an early offensive foul down low, then abandons that part of his game.
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Post by bostonfan on Feb 21, 2017 9:11:56 GMT -5
Too many turnovers, bad 3 point shooting (again), and no answer for Foster. Not good. And who is that imposter posing as Marcus Derrickson? Not much changed from half to half, did it? Only got to watch the second half and it was frustrating. The Hoyas would seem to be playing OK and about to get back into the game and then a missed shot, sloppy turnover or Creighton making a tough shot would seem to get them deflated. They would then go into a few possessions of playing some "hero" ball and taking some bad shots and they would get away from running the stuff that makes them successful. You could see the frustration on a few of the players. Not sure if they are losing faith in what JTIII is trying to do or if they are realizing they have kicked away too many opportunities to have a successful season and they now have no margin for error.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Feb 21, 2017 11:00:02 GMT -5
At least on defense, I think one of our problems is that both Govan and Derrickson are extremely poor defensive players. Still, I think Govan needs a lot of minutes because he's the best option we have. But really, when you get down to it, Derrickson and Govan are largely redundant players. I know Govan is a bit taller than Derrickson, but he's essentially a stretch four type, and Derrickson the same. Both of them excel at jump shooting, and neither of them are particularly good in the post.
It's a small change, but I would probably change the rotation so that Govan and Derrickson do not play together, and instead play Govan with Agau. Not only does this minimize the defensive problems, but it puts in a better defensive player (Agau) and a player that's a bit better in the post (Agau).
Agau's offensive efficiency isn't that high, and while Derrickson might be the better offensive player overall, I think that Agau brings more in total to the table.
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