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Post by FrazierFanatic on Feb 8, 2017 0:19:09 GMT -5
Eagle, tonight is not about the fanbase or III. Team fought hard and almost came back against the #2 team in the country on the road. Let those that want to watch the game for enjoyment have a moment to find some silver lining. There have been plenty of games with no silver lining. It has been a rough season and seasons. Found the 2nd half enjoyable to watch even though the outcome was a loss. You can lead the drum section of the band tomorrow. Some moral victory in tonight? C'mon this is a big time college basketball program that continues to fail. It's been several years of this so tonight's somewhat close game doesn't quite excite me as something to celebrate. I don't understand the fanbase here that accepts this performance. It's not about tonight. Bigger picture. I don't know that many of us accept it. We are just resigned that it is as good as we get this year.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 0:19:59 GMT -5
Tonight is about tonight. Over 300 days a year are not game nights. Also silver lining does not equate moral victory. Nice strawman. Look, save the BS strawman garbage from this board. I'll be here to point out we are bad and not performing as a program because I care about this program. You should be thankful as I still care as there aren't many left with any common sense left that do care. Game nights and game days tend to be negative experiences anymore in this program. I'm just a fan that wants better for this program. If this insular base wants better than win.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 0:21:56 GMT -5
Tiresome on this board. They keep fighting and losing and we will be in ninth place out of ten in our conference at the end of the season. Maybe we rise up and make it to eighth. Those that don't see the abuse of this brand and how far we have fallen since forming this conference don't get it. We are sinking fast to irreparable places if we don't correct soon. We are in a conference with some of the bad BE teams from the past and some mid majors and we are 9 out of 10. Let's stop with the we gave good effort and hoping for something else. It's ridiculous. Ok...maybe you should take a break from the board for a few months... I'd be willing to bet that 99%+ of the posters here recognize that the G-town brand has fallen quite far since it's heyday... a slip which started much before the NBE (even before JT3 started). A point that many will disagree with you is that our position or near-future position is irreparable. Even BC can come back from the harm they caused themselves (maybe they're not a good example...look at Georgia Tech currently for a basement dweller that is on their way up). SMU got a death sentence and outside of a post-season ban, would have been a NC favorite last year. Our conference may be made up of members that were mid-majors in the 90s but in current day, they all compete at a HM level...but don't let that stop your narrative. We've had a terrible season but the team hasn't given up. If you look throughout all the HM conferences, you can find plenty of teams that have given up (including teams that were rated higher then we were, like IU or NC St). This thread is to discuss the game that just happened. A game that we were competitive in, even with a few scoreless streaks (which, btw, every HM team has...including the #2 team in the nation tonight). The season long performance has not reached JT2's goals for the program on the court but the players are still giving 110% in the face of all adversity (both external and internal). Winning is nice, but can you ask much more from 17-23 year old guys? At all levels of sports (outside of professional), all many of us expect is good sportsmanship, effort, and pride. This is true from elementary school leagues to the Olympics.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 0:22:41 GMT -5
Some moral victory in tonight? C'mon this is a big time college basketball program that continues to fail. It's been several years of this so tonight's somewhat close game doesn't quite excite me as something to celebrate. I don't understand the fanbase here that accepts this performance. It's not about tonight. Bigger picture. I don't know that many of us accept it. We are just resigned that it is as good as we get this year. FF, I respect you and your posts but I don't accept this performance over many years. I understand your point of view but can't accept this.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 0:28:25 GMT -5
How about you try on "we gave good effort" and stop there for the night. So many days in the future for analysis of the program. We are way beyond that as this story is running over multiple seasons and the continued lackadaisical approach of this fanbase is unbelievable. We went through the same debates last year and all these same posters claimed this would be the critical year for III but now are kicking that can further. I'm just trying to point out that we can salvage this but not with that bull Edited Georgetown elitist attitude. Need to fix to it. We are fans. We can't do anything except write letters to the AD, Board, and Administration. Most of us on here are just trying to appreciate what we can on the court. There is no "lackadaisical approach"...there is realistic acceptation that you are only a fan, cannot change what you cannot control, and root for what you can root for. Please continue to make your voice heard to DeGoia like many of us are (I hope), but the continued complaining here (especially after a game that was close late) does nothing (I can promise you DeGoia visits this board less then twice a year). Additionally: as a poster that stated that this would be a critical year for III, I am waiting for the year to be over. Clearly comments and opinions can be placed now, but I personally would rather wait until the whole body of work for the year was seen before passing judgement.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 0:32:19 GMT -5
I don't know that many of us accept it. We are just resigned that it is as good as we get this year. FF, I respect you and your posts but I don't accept this performance over many years. I understand your point of view but can't accept this. We all understand your position. There are other threads to discuss the performance over many years (both for the coach and individual players). This thread ("Hoyas @ Villanova 2/7/17 Discussion") is to discuss the Hoyas @ Villanova game on 2/7/17.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 8, 2017 0:38:35 GMT -5
Villanova is a good team that had a bad shooting night for long periods. It was there for the taking. That hurts. But winning this would have been a steal.
Nothing changes. Losing against Seton Hall put us back into a really tough spot. We need to show next 5 like we did for the last three. Crazy tall order but at least we can cheer now and question the coach and program later.
Eagle, just because a lot of us chose to not bring out pitchforks during the season doesn't mean we have blind faith or are happy with the direction of the program. Some of us chose when and where and how to show our discontent. I know you don't like strawmen but how about you also layoff the "fanbase" generalizations. You don't know anything then what you want to see on this board.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 0:39:12 GMT -5
As far as tonight goes: what killed us is going with the "defense" heavy line-up early/middle of the first. They were terrible on defense tonight and can't score on offense. That allowed 'Nova to come back from their early struggles to gain a lead going into half time. I'm also a bit confused why we did not employ any Jagan/Mosley line-ups in the first half (but did in the second half successfully) and instead went with a Derrickson/Agau/Hayes lineup. I understand the rationale that Villanova is a "smaller" team so we would play big, but our most successful lineups this year have smaller lineups: either 2 guard or wing heavy sets.
Props to everyone for coming out better in the second but a large part of that was Nova's inability to make shots. Defense was better but they were also missing good shots (which they also did to start the game). Wish we could have closed it out but Josh Hart will refuse to lose a game to Georgetown while he is in the Nova uniform. In fact, I heard that he ran right by the Hoya bench after one of his 2s while saying "It's Over". Revenge is a strong motivation and it'll take more then a cold shooting night to stop Josh.
This game was there for the taking and hopefully we can improve when Villanova come to DC. Hopefully the entire upper deck won't be Hart fans.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 0:39:57 GMT -5
Tiresome on this board. They keep fighting and losing and we will be in ninth place out of ten in our conference at the end of the season. Maybe we rise up and make it to eighth. Those that don't see the abuse of this brand and how far we have fallen since forming this conference don't get it. We are sinking fast to irreparable places if we don't correct soon. We are in a conference with some of the bad BE teams from the past and some mid majors and we are 9 out of 10. Let's stop with the we gave good effort and hoping for something else. It's ridiculous. Ok...maybe you should take a break from the board for a few months... I'd be willing to bet that 99%+ of the posters here recognize that the G-town brand has fallen quite far since it's heyday... a slip which started much before the NBE (even before JT3 started). A point that many will disagree with you is that our position or near-future position is irreparable. Even BC can come back from the harm they caused themselves (maybe they're not a good example...look at Georgia Tech currently for a basement dweller that is on their way up). SMU got a death sentence and outside of a post-season ban, would have been a NC favorite last year. Our conference may be made up of members that were mid-majors in the 90s but in current day, they all compete at a HM level...but don't let that stop your narrative. We've had a terrible season but the team hasn't given up. If you look throughout all the HM conferences, you can find plenty of teams that have given up (including teams that were rated higher then we were, like IU or NC St). This thread is to discuss the game that just happened. A game that we were competitive in, even with a few scoreless streaks (which, btw, every HM team has...including the #2 team in the nation tonight). The season long performance has not reached JT2's goals for the program on the court but the players are still giving 110% in the face of all adversity (both external and internal). Winning is nice, but can you ask much more from 17-23 year old guys? At all levels of sports (outside of professional), all many of us expect is good sportsmanship, effort, and pride. This is true from elementary school leagues to the Olympics. You are the epitome of this board and program. Couldn't have recreated that type of apology if I tried to capture how wrong this board is in its views. I'd be willing to bet that 99%+ of the posters here recognize that the G-town brand has fallen quite far since it's heyday... a slip which started much before the NBE (even before JT3 started).If they'd allow a poll on this I bet you'd lose that by a landslide on this board. What even are you talking about there? Why did our lesser rival just win a NC last year? Ridiculous. Our conference may be made up of members that were mid-majors in the 90s but in current day, they all compete at a HM levelThis conference was formed a few year ago and these teams were mid majors when we formed it. We were supposed to be the big draw to this conference and now are holding on to ninth of tenth in the only sport we invest in as a school. Let's not exaggerate your position. A point that many will disagree with you is that our position or near-future position is irreparable. The longer we go with this will take the next coach that much more to dig out. The brand is being damaged with each of these seasons. As things readjust our legacy is being long forgotten by the young kids of today and we'll need to rebuild that once we get a coach that can rebuild that. This thread is to discuss the game that just happened. A game that we were competitive in, even with a few scoreless streaks (which, btw, every HM team has...including the #2 team in the nation tonight). The season long performance has not reached JT2's goals for the program on the court but the players are still giving 110% in the face of all adversity (both external and internal). Winning is nice, but can you ask much more from 17-23 year old guys?
Really? Hopefully Jay Wright gave all of our players participation trophies after the game for coming out and competing tonight. This mentality is the problem with the current program. Are the Nova players grown men playing against these kids?
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 8, 2017 0:41:14 GMT -5
Eagle if you want to know the fans opinions start a poll on this board.
Can't wait to stop seeing Josh Hart in a Nova uniform. Always hurts. Like seeing an ex girlfriend on TV all the time because she's dating the QB of a super bowl team.
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Post by Just Cos on Feb 8, 2017 0:44:32 GMT -5
Agreed APM. A big lineup works when you enforce your will on the smaller team. We don't do that and tried to play small ball with bigs. Clearly didn't work.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 0:47:20 GMT -5
We are way beyond that as this story is running over multiple seasons and the continued lackadaisical approach of this fanbase is unbelievable. We went through the same debates last year and all these same posters claimed this would be the critical year for III but now are kicking that can further. I'm just trying to point out that we can salvage this but not with that bull Edited Georgetown elitist attitude. Need to fix to it. We are fans. We can't do anything except write letters to the AD, Board, and Administration. Most of us on here are just trying to appreciate what we can on the court. There is no "lackadaisical approach"...there is realistic acceptation that you are only a fan, cannot change what you cannot control, and root for what you can root for. Please continue to make your voice heard to DeGoia like many of us are (I hope), but the continued complaining here (especially after a game that was close late) does nothing (I can promise you DeGoia visits this board less then twice a year). Additionally: as a poster that stated that this would be a critical year for III, I am waiting for the year to be over. Clearly comments and opinions can be placed now, but I personally would rather wait until the whole body of work for the year was seen before passing judgement. Body of work is about logged. If they want fans to watch this and care then they need to take the criticism for the continued failings. If DeGoia doesn't pay attention to the fanbase than that's on him and maybe he needs to pay more attention to a sport that he's investing so much into as a University. Let's stop posting as victims of this University and there can be no change and start trying to call what we see. Because sticking to just commenting on each game in a vacuum like everything is fine makes no sense. Maybe we can't change this administration's view but doesn't mean I'll accept it. It's a loser mentality.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 0:48:03 GMT -5
Eagle if you want to know the fans opinions start a poll on this board. Can't wait to stop seeing Josh Hart in a Nova uniform. Always hurts. Like seeing an ex girlfriend on TV all the time because she's dating the QB of a super bowl team. Polls are banned on this board, right Dan?
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 0:49:16 GMT -5
Ok...maybe you should take a break from the board for a few months... I'd be willing to bet that 99%+ of the posters here recognize that the G-town brand has fallen quite far since it's heyday... a slip which started much before the NBE (even before JT3 started). A point that many will disagree with you is that our position or near-future position is irreparable. Even BC can come back from the harm they caused themselves (maybe they're not a good example...look at Georgia Tech currently for a basement dweller that is on their way up). SMU got a death sentence and outside of a post-season ban, would have been a NC favorite last year. Our conference may be made up of members that were mid-majors in the 90s but in current day, they all compete at a HM level...but don't let that stop your narrative. We've had a terrible season but the team hasn't given up. If you look throughout all the HM conferences, you can find plenty of teams that have given up (including teams that were rated higher then we were, like IU or NC St). This thread is to discuss the game that just happened. A game that we were competitive in, even with a few scoreless streaks (which, btw, every HM team has...including the #2 team in the nation tonight). The season long performance has not reached JT2's goals for the program on the court but the players are still giving 110% in the face of all adversity (both external and internal). Winning is nice, but can you ask much more from 17-23 year old guys? At all levels of sports (outside of professional), all many of us expect is good sportsmanship, effort, and pride. This is true from elementary school leagues to the Olympics. You are the epitome of this board and program. Couldn't have recreated that type of apology if I tried to capture how wrong this board is in its views. I'd be willing to bet that 99%+ of the posters here recognize that the G-town brand has fallen quite far since it's heyday... a slip which started much before the NBE (even before JT3 started).If they'd allow a poll on this I bet you'd lose that by a landslide on this board. What even are you talking about there? Why did our lesser rival just win a NC last year? Ridiculous. Our conference may be made up of members that were mid-majors in the 90s but in current day, they all compete at a HM levelThis conference was formed a few year ago and these teams were mid majors when we formed it. We were supposed to be the big draw to this conference and now are holding on to ninth of tenth in the only sport we invest in as a school. Let's not exaggerate your position. A point that many will disagree with you is that our position or near-future position is irreparable. The longer we go with this will take the next coach that much more to dig out. The brand is being damaged with each of these seasons. As things readjust our legacy is being long forgotten by the young kids of today and we'll need to rebuild that once we get a coach that can rebuild that. This thread is to discuss the game that just happened. A game that we were competitive in, even with a few scoreless streaks (which, btw, every HM team has...including the #2 team in the nation tonight). The season long performance has not reached JT2's goals for the program on the court but the players are still giving 110% in the face of all adversity (both external and internal). Winning is nice, but can you ask much more from 17-23 year old guys?
Really? Hopefully Jay Wright gave all of our players participation trophies after the game for coming out and competing tonight. This mentality is the problem with the current program. Are the Nova players grown men playing against these kids? Yes please, recreate the apology I never gave. You actually are stating that I would lose a landslide poll that we've fallen from our heyday? Are you drunk? I made zero mention of Villanova's NC run. Did you think we'd be pulling the cream of the crop off the ACC, B1G, BIG12, and PAC-12 to make our new conference?? We took the best of what was available and cherry picked a few mid-major conferences. Is Gonzaga a mid-major team this year? I agree that we have failed our mandate in the new conference and should have been one of the top teams. I agree it will be an effort for the next coach to dig it out. If we were to have a different Coach to carry the banner, they'll need to make the player they get work at any level. Otherwise after their early success, we'll be in this exact same situation 10 years down the road. Our legacy may be hurting but even if you tell the kids today: Ewing, Iverson, Mutonbo, Mourning...they know who they are. Is it the same as directly post NCAA runs when the guys were stars: no! But look at a school like Baylor. They had a perpetual NCAA failing reputation, overcame that, and now the perception has changed. Or SMU: their entire Atheltics Department got put to death, they were terrible for year, but have re-invested and all their programs are recovering. In today's world, memories are short and brands can be built (especially if there is still history to lean back on). To your last point, I'm just saying that this EXACT THREAD is for discussing the basketball game. Discuss the program elsewhere...
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 0:54:52 GMT -5
We are fans. We can't do anything except write letters to the AD, Board, and Administration. Most of us on here are just trying to appreciate what we can on the court. There is no "lackadaisical approach"...there is realistic acceptation that you are only a fan, cannot change what you cannot control, and root for what you can root for. Please continue to make your voice heard to DeGoia like many of us are (I hope), but the continued complaining here (especially after a game that was close late) does nothing (I can promise you DeGoia visits this board less then twice a year). Additionally: as a poster that stated that this would be a critical year for III, I am waiting for the year to be over. Clearly comments and opinions can be placed now, but I personally would rather wait until the whole body of work for the year was seen before passing judgement. Body of work is about logged. What does this even mean? If they want fans to watch this and care then they need to take the criticism for the continued failings. If DeGoia doesn't pay attention to the fanbase than that's on him and maybe he needs to pay more attention to a sport that he's investing so much into as a University. Let's stop posting as victims of this University and there can be no change and start trying to call what we see. Because sticking to just commenting on each game in a vacuum like everything is fine makes no sense. Maybe we can't change this administration's view but doesn't mean I'll accept it. It's a loser mentality. No one here is posting as "victims of this University" but as rational people that realize that to make there opinions heard, there are better channels then an anonymous message board. Many of us use them, while using this as a forum (weird name, eh?) to discuss the on-court play. Please go use those channels and let the admin know your thoughts...god knows we know them.
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 0:55:38 GMT -5
You are the epitome of this board and program. Couldn't have recreated that type of apology if I tried to capture how wrong this board is in its views. I'd be willing to bet that 99%+ of the posters here recognize that the G-town brand has fallen quite far since it's heyday... a slip which started much before the NBE (even before JT3 started).If they'd allow a poll on this I bet you'd lose that by a landslide on this board. What even are you talking about there? Why did our lesser rival just win a NC last year? Ridiculous. Our conference may be made up of members that were mid-majors in the 90s but in current day, they all compete at a HM levelThis conference was formed a few year ago and these teams were mid majors when we formed it. We were supposed to be the big draw to this conference and now are holding on to ninth of tenth in the only sport we invest in as a school. Let's not exaggerate your position. A point that many will disagree with you is that our position or near-future position is irreparable. The longer we go with this will take the next coach that much more to dig out. The brand is being damaged with each of these seasons. As things readjust our legacy is being long forgotten by the young kids of today and we'll need to rebuild that once we get a coach that can rebuild that. This thread is to discuss the game that just happened. A game that we were competitive in, even with a few scoreless streaks (which, btw, every HM team has...including the #2 team in the nation tonight). The season long performance has not reached JT2's goals for the program on the court but the players are still giving 110% in the face of all adversity (both external and internal). Winning is nice, but can you ask much more from 17-23 year old guys?
Really? Hopefully Jay Wright gave all of our players participation trophies after the game for coming out and competing tonight. This mentality is the problem with the current program. Are the Nova players grown men playing against these kids? Yes please, recreate the apology I never gave. You actually are stating that I would lose a landslide poll that we've fallen from our heyday? Are you drunk? I made zero mention of Villanova's NC run. Did you think we'd be pulling the cream of the crop off the ACC, B1G, BIG12, and PAC-12 to make our new conference?? We took the best of what was available and cherry picked a few mid-major conferences. Is Gonzaga a mid-major team this year? I agree that we have failed our mandate in the new conference and should have been one of the top teams. I agree it will be an effort for the next coach to dig it out. If we were to have a different Coach to carry the banner, they'll need to make the player they get work at any level. Otherwise after their early success, we'll be in this exact same situation 10 years down the road. Our legacy may be hurting but even if you tell the kids today: Ewing, Iverson, Mutonbo, Mourning...they know who they are. Is it the same as directly post NCAA runs when the guys were stars: no! But look at a school like Baylor. They had a perpetual NCAA failing reputation, overcame that, and now the perception has changed. Or SMU: their entire Atheltics Department got put to death, they were terrible for year, but have re-invested and all their programs are recovering. In today's world, memories are short and brands can be built (especially if there is still history to lean back on). To your last point, I'm just saying that this EXACT THREAD is for discussing the basketball game. Discuss the program elsewhere... Apology accepted. Gonzaga is a joke and we all know will be exposed in the tournament. If you are speaking of teams for the conference I knew what we'd be picking from but didn't expect them to all surpass us this quickly and make us look like a bottom barrel team while our lesser rival wins a NC and is now the top of the conference. At least you acknowledge we need a coach to dig us out of this. So for that I'm hopeful for this board.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 0:57:28 GMT -5
Yes please, recreate the apology I never gave. You actually are stating that I would lose a landslide poll that we've fallen from our heyday? Are you drunk? I made zero mention of Villanova's NC run. Did you think we'd be pulling the cream of the crop off the ACC, B1G, BIG12, and PAC-12 to make our new conference?? We took the best of what was available and cherry picked a few mid-major conferences. Is Gonzaga a mid-major team this year? I agree that we have failed our mandate in the new conference and should have been one of the top teams. I agree it will be an effort for the next coach to dig it out. If we were to have a different Coach to carry the banner, they'll need to make the player they get work at any level. Otherwise after their early success, we'll be in this exact same situation 10 years down the road. Our legacy may be hurting but even if you tell the kids today: Ewing, Iverson, Mutonbo, Mourning...they know who they are. Is it the same as directly post NCAA runs when the guys were stars: no! But look at a school like Baylor. They had a perpetual NCAA failing reputation, overcame that, and now the perception has changed. Or SMU: their entire Atheltics Department got put to death, they were terrible for year, but have re-invested and all their programs are recovering. In today's world, memories are short and brands can be built (especially if there is still history to lean back on). To your last point, I'm just saying that this EXACT THREAD is for discussing the basketball game. Discuss the program elsewhere... Apology accepted. Gonzaga is a joke and we all know will be exposed in the tournament. If you are speaking of teams for the conference I knew what we'd be picking from but didn't expect them to all surpass us this quickly and make us look like a bottom barrel team while our lesser rival wins a NC and is now the top of the conference. At least you acknowledge we need a coach to dig us out of this. So for that I'm hopeful for this board. Sad. You make good points at times but surround it by total Bull . Sound familiar?
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 1:00:43 GMT -5
Apology accepted. Gonzaga is a joke and we all know will be exposed in the tournament. If you are speaking of teams for the conference I knew what we'd be picking from but didn't expect them to all surpass us this quickly and make us look like a bottom barrel team while our lesser rival wins a NC and is now the top of the conference. At least you acknowledge we need a coach to dig us out of this. So for that I'm hopeful for this board. Sad. You make good points at times but surround it by total Bull Edited. Sound familiar? I'm just tired of trying to watch these games against teams like Villanova that we have no business being this far behind and accepting where we are. That with everyone here saying it is what it is and we can do nothing to change it so just accept it. I'll stand by that and won't accept the excuses that this board wants to put forth.
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Post by HometownHoya on Feb 8, 2017 1:04:59 GMT -5
Sad. You make good points at times but surround it by total Bull Edited. Sound familiar? I'm just tired of trying to watch these games against teams like Villanova that we have no business being this far behind and accepting where we are. That with everyone here saying it is what it is and we can do nothing to change it so just accept it. I'll stand by that and won't accept the excuses that this board wants to put forth. Please discuss this in another thread or PM me directly. Any comments on if we could have used Tre? Or maybe why Derrickson had a quiet night?
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Post by eagle54 on Feb 8, 2017 1:21:33 GMT -5
I'm just tired of trying to watch these games against teams like Villanova that we have no business being this far behind and accepting where we are. That with everyone here saying it is what it is and we can do nothing to change it so just accept it. I'll stand by that and won't accept the excuses that this board wants to put forth. Please discuss this in another thread or PM me directly. Any comments on if we could have used Tre? Or maybe why Derrickson had a quiet night? I created a thread so we could discuss this without disrupting the Villanova game discussion.
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